It's time to start Zach Wilson again!

[GangGreened]

5 minutes ago, bitonti said:

right after Zach was drafted the Madden people asked the rookies what they thought their rating should be 

Zach said 90

for those unfamiliar with the game, rookies even the very best are rarely over 80. It takes time and Pro Bowls to get above 90

Zach thought he was 90 right out of the gate. He called it "not that great, because he hadn't done anything"

to put that number into context a 90 would be the 5th highest QB in the Madden 22 game. It was like Deshaun Watson's rating. 

that's this player's biggest flaw: unearned confidence

and the things that are wrong with him aren't going to be fixed in 3 weeks. There's even a debate if NFL coaches are capable of fixing him at all 

NFL coaches expect a certain level of competence, setting their feet, making easy throws, Zach isn't doing any of that 

because he thinks he doesn't have to 

such a terrible pick by JD and I suspect he will eventually get fired for it. Going 2-14, 4-13 and 7-10 isn't good enough 

JD f*cked up here for sure. But apparently Zach was the #2 QB on most teams boards. It was a dreadful pick no doubt, but if we keep hitting on players after him I think Douglas will survive to get another shot at the QB position.

[bitonti]

18 minutes ago, GangGreened said:

JD f*cked up here for sure. But apparently Zach was the #2 QB on most teams boards. It was a dreadful pick no doubt, but if we keep hitting on players after him I think Douglas will survive to get another shot at the QB position.

let me also add paying Joe Flacco more than 1 USD to play QB in the year 2022 was also a huge f-up

Joe Flacco shouldn't be anywhere near a sideline, unless he's wearing a polo shirt and wearing a headset as a coach. Joe Douglas traded a pick and paid him like 4 Mil to just be terrible  

Joe Douglas is known for his hits like Sauce and G Wilson but his misses like Zach and Becton are more impactful. If this team had a decent QB and decent LT they'd be a sho-in for the playoffs 

instead we're witnessing a collapse due to misses at the most important positions on the roster

and when they do get to the draft in 2023 the biggest need is O-line, again. Laken Tomlinson's contract was a mistake as was Corey Davis' as was Carl Lawson's. 

it's mismanagement plain and simple 

[JiF]

1 hour ago, Larz said:

How much you like them personally?

lets skip ahead. 

how many teams will offer MW starter money next year? 
 

starter money is 3 years 60 million, 25 guaranteed 

 

1. 

Today?  Probably nobody, if he finishes the season continuing to play at high level and winning 3 of 4 or better, there could be a handful, for sure, including the Jets.

[Claymation]

I could be wrong on this situation, but I don't see Zach coming back from this.

[JiF]

16 minutes ago, bitonti said:

let me also add paying Joe Flacco more than 1 USD to play QB in the year 2022 was also a huge f-up

Joe Flacco shouldn't be anywhere near a sideline, unless he's wearing a polo shirt and wearing a headset as a coach. Joe Douglas traded a pick and paid him like 4 Mil to just be terrible  

Joe Douglas is known for his hits like Sauce and G Wilson but his misses like Zach and Becton are more impactful. If this team had a decent QB and decent LT they'd be a sho-in for the playoffs 

instead we're witnessing a collapse due to misses at the most important positions on the roster

and when they do get to the draft in 2023 the biggest need is O-line, again. Laken Tomlinson's contract was a mistake as was Corey Davis' as was Carl Lawson's. 

it's mismanagement plain and simple 

Since JD clearly sucks and the Jets are a terrible Football team w/ no talent, who's this huge upgrade replacement you have in mind?  The guy the Titans just fired maybe? 

 

[JetsMetsRangers]

3 hours ago, JiFields said:

Yes, so true, when you think about it, probably every DC in the leagues notes on Jared Goff start with; fast, agile, big combine numbers. 

Lol and i am sure most DC's are real worried about the mobility and how fast Zach is while running backwards or sideways while looking at the DL instead of downfield and throwing for his 55% completion rate and nearly non existent scrambles for positive yardage.........Shaking in their boots for the arm talent and mobility of the guy who bails out immediately instead of stepping up and delivering the ball while under pressure and cannot complete a screen pass......;)

 

[JetsMetsRangers]

3 hours ago, JiFields said:

Yes, so true, when you think about it, probably every DC in the leagues notes on Jared Goff start with; fast, agile, big combine numbers. 

Lol and i am sure most DC's are real worried about the mobility and how fast Zach is while running backwards or sideways while looking at the DL instead of downfield and throwing for his 55% completion rate and nearly non existent scrambles for positive yardage.........Shaking in their boots for the arm talent and mobility of the guy who bails out immediately instead of stepping up and delivering the ball while under pressure and cannot complete a screen pass......;)

 

[JetsMetsRangers]

3 hours ago, JiFields said:

Yes, so true, when you think about it, probably every DC in the leagues notes on Jared Goff start with; fast, agile, big combine numbers. 

Lol and i am sure most DC's are real worried about the mobility and how fast Zach is while running backwards or sideways while looking at the DL instead of downfield and throwing for his 55% completion rate and nearly non existent scrambles for positive yardage.........Shaking in their boots for the arm talent and mobility of the guy who bails out immediately instead of stepping up and delivering the ball while under pressure and cannot complete a screen pass......;)

 

[JetsMetsRangers]

3 hours ago, JiFields said:

Yes, so true, when you think about it, probably every DC in the leagues notes on Jared Goff start with; fast, agile, big combine numbers. 

Lol and i am sure most DC's are real worried about the mobility and how fast Zach is while running backwards or sideways while looking at the DL instead of downfield and throwing for his 55% completion rate and nearly non existent scrambles for positive yardage.........Shaking in their boots for the arm talent and mobility of the guy who bails out immediately instead of stepping up and delivering the ball while under pressure and cannot complete a screen pass......;)

 

[Alka]

6 hours ago, Jet2020 said:

Zach was good against Bills. His only good game. Even then the D won that game and it wasn’t even remotely close who won it for us.

It wasn't remotely close who won the game for us?  Excuse me, but the Jets were down 14-3 at one point.  Did the defense score those points to tie it up at 17-17?  

I'm not going to argue with dumb statements that the D won the game and it wasn't even close.  Yes, the D was great.  Yes, the offensive line was great, and the running backs were great.  And Zach Wilson was solid, he led the offense, and threw ZERO picks for the game.  

If you want to engage me, then give me intelligent statements, and I will acknowledge them.  But to say that the defense won the game, and it wasn't even Close is garbage.  If Josh Allen was the Jets QB that day, and the Jets somehow pulled out a victory, I would maybe consider your statement.  Josh was as much to blame as our defense was to be given credit.  Still, we were down 14-3, and the defense didn't score the points to get it to 17-17.  Give me an F--ing break, okay?

[Matt39]

31 minutes ago, JetsMetsRangers said:

Lol and i am sure most DC's are real worried about the mobility and how fast Zach is while running backwards or sideways while looking at the DL instead of downfield and throwing for his 55% completion rate and nearly non existent scrambles for positive yardage.........Shaking in their boots for the arm talent and mobility of the guy who bails out immediately instead of stepping up and delivering the ball while under pressure and cannot complete a screen pass......;)

 

Wilson is broken mechanically. He probably never gets it together. But there is a foundation of talent there, more so than any other QB they’ve drafted in the last 30 years or so. You hope he works like crazy to figure it out and prove people wrong. Not sure if that’s in his DNA though.
 

 

 

 

[cat999]

2 hours ago, bitonti said:

right after Zach was drafted the Madden people asked the rookies what they thought their rating should be 

Zach said 90

for those unfamiliar with the game, rookies even the very best are rarely over 80. It takes time and Pro Bowls to get above 90

Zach thought he was 90 right out of the gate. He called it "not that great, because he hadn't done anything"

to put that number into context a 90 would be the 5th highest QB in the Madden 22 game. It was like Deshaun Watson's rating. 

that's this player's biggest flaw: unearned confidence

and the things that are wrong with him aren't going to be fixed in 3 weeks. There's even a debate if NFL coaches are capable of fixing him at all 

NFL coaches expect a certain level of competence, setting their feet, making easy throws, Zach isn't doing any of that 

because he thinks he doesn't have to 

such a terrible pick by JD and I suspect he will eventually get fired for it. Going 2-14, 4-13 and 7-10 isn't good enough 

Do you really think the Jets aren't winning another game this year?

[gdfodder]

Everyone will continue to tee off on MW because they want to knock him out for good.  Hope protection is good this week and game plan is suited for a short passer.  ZW keeps defenses honest because he potentially stretches the coverage and hit a home run at any time. If I was a defense other than ne I would fear ZW over MW. Just mai 2 cent. 

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

12 minutes ago, gdfodder said:

ZW keeps defenses honest because he potentially stretches the coverage and hit a home run

LOL

NE D was kept “honest” to the tune of 3 whole pts allowed

Didn’t see any home runs either 

Devin McCourty must feel like there’s a magnet embedded inside the football when he plays Zach Wilson

[Biggs]

3 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

NE D was kept “honest” to the tune of 3 whole pts allowed

Didn’t see any home runs either 

Mac Jones is the athletic version of Mike White.  He put 3 points up on us.  

[shrekman1]

On 12/12/2022 at 11:12 AM, Barry McCockinner said:

The difference between beating buffalo at home and losing to them on the road is Josh Allen not throwing interceptions and Michael Carter & Joe Flacco fumbling the ball away. Does anyone honestly think the difference is ZW vs. MW? 

Try to understand the game more than QB A vs. QB B. It's a team sport. 

Well said!

[Claymation]

If Zach is a bust, does the failure of Zach fall on the Front Office for improperly evaluating him or the CS for not properly developing him. After Knapp's untimely death the Coaching staff did not bring in a QB Coach. They felt a 1st time OC would be best served as a QB coach and the OC.

So who is responsible for Zach Wilson as the Jets QB?

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

7 minutes ago, Biggs said:

Mac Jones is the athletic version of Mike White.  He put 3 points up on us.  

I’d take virtually anybody over ZW

Mac Jones is a punk, but he’s better than ZW

Josh Allen threw for 140 and went 2-13 on 3rd down vs the same Jets D

not exactly HOF numbers either

And the kicking game was ruined in that NE game by the wind

Folk never misses.  He missed that day.

[More Cowbell]

On 12/12/2022 at 11:02 AM, Alka said:

This is not about the future of the Jets, it's about the future of this season.  After the Jets lost to the Patriots the second time, I said that starting Zach Wilson the next game against the Bears was a "no-brainer".  I also said that I wasn't concerned about starting Mike White against the Bears, but I was concerned with him starting after the Bears.

You might be thinking right now that I am just a stupid Jets fan, and you might be right.  I could care less what anyone thinks.  You probably are pointing to the stats, how Mike is getting the entire offense involved, and how everyone loves him on the team.  I don't care about any of that.  I care about wins and losses, and on my scorecard, Zach is 5-2 this season, Mike White is 1-2, and Flacco is 1-2.

Zach, while I will not tell you that he is the future of this team after this year, I believe that he has shown the ability to evade sacks, can move around the pocket, and run when we need him to run.  Mike White is continuing to prove to me that he is a very good back-up QB, but not the guy who will get us to the Super Bowl.  Zach is 5-0 against every opponent he has gone against this season not named the Patriots, and If I were the head coach, I would have started Zach against the Bears (we still would have won the game), and see how he responded after the poor performance against the Patriots.  Let's not forget that he came from behind and got us a win against Buffalo at home, and was gritty in his performance, though not spectacular.

It is disturbing to me how easily Mike White can get Moore and Mims involved in the game, but not Zach.  While this is troubling, I only care about getting the wins right now.  Next year is next year, and I would make it a priority to bring in a established QB to compete with Zach and Mike White, and make it an open competition.

 

I give you credit. It isn't crazy to think this, but to post it is a whole other thing. 

I could see your point if Zach actually was a factor in more than 1 of the 5 games he won, but he wasn't so I really don't  know what makes you think Zach would have won the games against the Bills and Vikings. 

[More Cowbell]

On 12/12/2022 at 11:06 AM, Alka said:

I realize that I am in the minority.  I understand how you feel. I want results, before the season is gone.  Zach gave us more of the results that Jets fans really care about, and that's wins.

Zach sucked. He is statistically  the worst QB in the NFL. In 20 games there is nothing anyone can point to that says he is any good at all. I mean. what is it that makes You think the Jets are in any better position.  I am tired of the ZW experiment. He failed. 

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

thread title should be aptly changed to

”It’s time to start doing drugs again!” ?

[Claymation]

4 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

I give you credit. It isn't crazy to think this, but to post it is a whole other thing. 

I could see your point if Zach actually was a factor in more than 1 of the 5 games he won, but he wasn't so I really don't  know what makes you think Zach would have won the games against the Bills and Vikings. 

He was the QB when they beat the Bills the 1st time. 

[More Cowbell]

On 12/12/2022 at 11:11 AM, Larz said:

Saleh really backed himself into a corner with his bullsh*t explanation of how the #2 pick in the draft can’t prep to be the backup AND practice his drops lol 

it’s obvious to me that after Saleh came out of the Monday meeting with Zach after the cheaters game that something happened in the meeting that got Zach sent to time out. 
 

Well I’m shocked the situation is getting max Jetsy and now Saleh needs Zach to save the season.  Never saw that coming. 

If MW is cleared and wants to play through the pain that’s great, but if Saleh puts Flacco as the back up buckle up kids it’s going to get weird lol

Watching some of the posts when Zach is declared inactive for the Lions game is going to be lit. 

[More Cowbell]

1 minute ago, Claymation said:

He was the QB when they beat the Bills the 1st time. 

The defense won that game, not Zach. 

[More Cowbell]

On 12/12/2022 at 11:12 AM, Alka said:

I don't disagree with you.  But, as a long suffering Jets fan, I want excitement this season, and I feel that Zach would have given us that.  

Put it this way, if the Jets beat Detroit with Mike White, then the argument to continue with Mike would be the correct one.  If Mike White and the Jets lose to Detroit, then you watch and see how many Jets fans want to turn back to Zach! Only then it will be too late for this season.

If you weren't  excited during the last two games, that is on you. The Jets were one play away from beating the Vikings in the 4th qrt. They also staged a come back against the Bills that was derailed by a MC fumble. They were not wins but they also weren't blow outs. We had a chance against two teams that could make it to the SB. 

As far as Detroit, that game is winnable but it will take effort. They are a good team. I am now in the mentality that I want to see MW develop as I did with Zach. If we make the playoffs,  great, of we don't,  that is ok as well. We aren't  winning a SB this season. At least I don't  feel like we have total trash at QB anymore.  

[Hal N of Provo]

3 hours ago, bitonti said:

right after Zach was drafted the Madden people asked the rookies what they thought their rating should be 

Zach said 90

for those unfamiliar with the game, rookies even the very best are rarely over 80. It takes time and Pro Bowls to get above 90

Zach thought he was 90 right out of the gate. He called it "not that great, because he hadn't done anything"

to put that number into context a 90 would be the 5th highest QB in the Madden 22 game. It was like Deshaun Watson's rating. 

that's this player's biggest flaw: unearned confidence

and the things that are wrong with him aren't going to be fixed in 3 weeks. There's even a debate if NFL coaches are capable of fixing him at all 

NFL coaches expect a certain level of competence, setting their feet, making easy throws, Zach isn't doing any of that 

because he thinks he doesn't have to 

such a terrible pick by JD and I suspect he will eventually get fired for it. Going 2-14, 4-13 and 7-10 isn't good enough 

Hey let me help you with your long post - Zach didn’t play video games at least at that point.

He had early access to the brand new system from his agent and he never bought another controller or played it.

So what does his guess on ratings mean?

It means you are overly critical of the kid. 

[More Cowbell]

On 12/12/2022 at 11:16 AM, Alka said:

So, the worst QB by far on this team is Zach, and he is 5-2 this year, while the other 2 QB's are a combined 2-4?  This game is about results, and the results don't match your argument.

The team won 4 games with Breece Hall, and 1 without him

[Hal N of Provo]

12 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

The defense won that game, not Zach. 

All silliness aside he played well but they didn’t ask much of him.

He executed the called plays very well but MLF only let him play when they were down and forced to throw and it never happened that game.

[Sonny Werblin]

I don’t know if and when Zach Wilson will start again, but i am curious to see how he’s been affected by his demotion and public humiliation. Pouty baby? Or guy who will do anything to succeed?

[Hal N of Provo]

Just now, More Cowbell said:

The team won 4 games with Breece Hall, and 1 without him

The Bills and lost the 2 against the Patriots.  I think the Patriots and OLine sucking is a bigger factor.   White wasn’t given a chance on too many plays last week, but MLF also seemed to be calling longer routes which didn't help in that department.  

[Sonny Werblin]

1 minute ago, More Cowbell said:

The team won 4 games with Breece Hall, and 1 without him

The jets are 2-0 in games I’ve attended (home and away). Woody should pay me to attend games.

[More Cowbell]

4 minutes ago, Hal N of Provo said:

All silliness aside he played well but they didn’t ask much of him.

He executed the called plays very well but MLF only let him play when they were down and forced to throw and it never happened that game.

He threw for 154 yards and 1 TD and was 5 for 13 on third down. He did minimal. On the other hand, the Jets rushed for 174 yards and a TD. If you think we lost the last game because of White, why do you think we won the first one because of Zach? 

[More Cowbell]

On 12/12/2022 at 11:24 AM, Alka said:

Forgive me for playing the "what-if" game, but if White is not healthy to go, then it's obvious from your statement that Zach should start.  And if Zach has a good game and beats the Lions, then what?

From what everyone is saying on this board, then Mike White should get his starting job back.  That is where I would not agree.

It's  not happening. Short of MW being in a hospital,  he will start. 

[More Cowbell]

On 12/12/2022 at 11:29 AM, carlito1171 said:

Who exactly besides us would pay MW a premium salary?

MW is this season version of Jimmy G when he was on the Pats.  

[More Cowbell]

On 12/12/2022 at 11:33 AM, Alka said:

Excellent point!!!  Right now, no-one.  That is the answer to your question.

Ok, and we have another answer

 The question is why did you start this and the answer is you are another Zach fan boy.