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Competition Committee to look into whether roughing the passer should be reviewable


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31 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

The NFL is run by a bunch of CRIMINALS that is all.

They make it up as they go along,  They totally overreacted things and tell the refs to call things a certain way.

They make stupid, silly dumb rules or interpretations of rules that EVERYONE knows are stupid and then when the inevitable happens, the thing that everyone says will happen but the league harumphs at they decide to make changes.

The next one on the list is what they just did to New Orleans for faking an injury.  Massive over reaction that will bite them in the ass in a key playoff time.

Fixed. 

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10 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said:

They need to just admit that part of the rule where you can't land on them with your body weight or "violently" throw them to the ground is wrong and get rid of it. 

That part is called football. 

Well, think how much worse White's ribs would be if it was the old days, and they could have driven him into the ground.  Both hits were (new age) legal - they didn't land on him.  And so he's playing this week.

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33 minutes ago, Warfish said:

This is not the solution.

Training Referees and solidifying the rules so they can be called CONSISTENTLY is the solution.

We fans (and the players and coaches) can come to live with any rule, however we may think a rule silly.

What we cannot live with is inconsistency. 

The at-times extreme variance between how games are called, and how and when individual calls are made, is the problem.

It gives the perception of bias, even if none truly exists, and it makes the game seem unfair.

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47 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

As I have always said, everything should be reviewable. Everything. 

The NFL has this misconception that some things are "judgement calls" and others are black and white. This is a fallacy - everything is a judgement call. How many times have you seen a review where the announcers think the receiver clearly caught a pass and the refs come back and rule it incomplete? This happens because everything is a judgement call and we all have different judgement. 

As long as the NFL allows coaches to challenge plays, they should be able to challenge any play they want. 

Agreed but just try to correct the egregious stuff and try not to slow down the game if in doubt.

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33 minutes ago, DireJet said:

We’re gonna get some RTP calls in our favor this week. You know it. I know it. MW needs to sell it a bit, but the league office definitely does not want another Mike White snuff film being produced. They know it puts the sport in jeopardy. Good for us. 

Was thinking the same thing. I think he gets the Brady treatment this week

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Agreed but just try to correct the egregious stuff and try not to slow down the game if in doubt.
There are so many other things that slow down the game...people get to the stadium hours before to tailgate... it's one game a week... I'd rather slow the game down another 10-20 minutes and get it right..

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59 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

As I have always said, everything should be reviewable. Everything. 

The NFL has this misconception that some things are "judgement calls" and others are black and white. This is a fallacy - everything is a judgement call. How many times have you seen a review where the announcers think the receiver clearly caught a pass and the refs come back and rule it incomplete? This happens because everything is a judgement call and we all have different judgement. 

As long as the NFL allows coaches to challenge plays, they should be able to challenge any play they want. 

100% true. Make every damn thing reviewable. So long as they stick with the idea that they need obvious evidence to change something there's no problem. They should also have people off site looking for obvious sh*t that was missed before the coaches have to even challenge. Just get it right if it's obvious - not too much to ask. Every week there's a call that's obviously wrong that they could have corrected with this approach.

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46 minutes ago, DireJet said:

We’re gonna get some RTP calls in our favor this week. You know it. I know it. MW needs to sell it a bit, but the league office definitely does not want another Mike White snuff film being produced. They know it puts the sport in jeopardy. Good for us. 

Part of modern coaching needs to be teaching players to draw penalties. Tell Garrett Wilson to writhe in pain and grab his head a bit when he gets hit late out of bounds. Ditto Mike White after a hard sack. The NFL has gone soft and they’ll throw the flag if the optics are bad (just usually not for the Jets). 

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10 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

You can not review Roughing the Passer.

The only way you could do it is make the rule 100% crystal clear - and that that hit gets called on every down.

Right now, it's still very much a judgement call.  If you're going to call it reviewable - then it can't be a judgement call.

 

 

Everything is a judgment call.  How is holding not a judgment?  Pass interference?  The NFL tried this with pass interference a few years ago after the Rams-Saints playoff game and it was a fiasco.  Just fix the rule.  Incidental contact to the helmet is not RTP.  Landing with your body weight on the QB is not RTP.  A little shove after the pass is thrown in not RTP.  There.  Fixed the rule.  Nobody is really getting hurt on these type of plays and the body weight issue is just part of football.  

And if they really want to make this fair, don't allow QBs to act like they are going out of bounds and then change direction and tiptoe down the sideline for an extra 5-10 yards. The QB is the same as a running back when he leaves the pocket and does not slide.  If not, then the tiptoe play should be illegal - unsportsmanlike conduct.  Either protect yourself or you are fair game.  

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The rub is you can't make everything reviewable, as holding could be called on every play. 

We've already been through one experiment with reviewable defensive PI calls. Personally I think roughing the passer should be reviewable as it's clearly the most unevenly called penalty in the NFL. But then you fall into the same trap of overreacting to bad officiating. Either there's a class of penalties that are reviewable, or none are, the NFL has gone one step forward, one step back constantly on this. 

 

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