Mike White by the numbers

[Jetsfan80]

I know stats don't matter for QB evaluation, only W-L record, but here's some stats and where Mike White would rank among QBs in 2022 currently (if he had enough throws to qualify) anyways for your perusal:

 

Yards per Game

• 317.3:  2nd
• Ahead of:  Justin Herbert (285.1); Joe Burrow (283.5); Josh Allen (273.3); Tua (273.1); Kirk Cousins (258.3); Trevor Lawrence (246.3); Derek Carr (239.8); Dak Prescott (230.9); Jimmy Garoppolo (221.5); Aaron Rodgers (220.3)

Completion %

• 62.0:  t-27th
• Tied with:  Derek Carr

YPA

• 7.4:  t-12th
• Tied with:  Dak Prescott
• Ahead of:  Derek Carr (7.2); Trevor Lawrence (7.0); Kirk Cousins (6.9); Aaron Rodgers (6.8)

QB Rating

• 85.8:  25th
• Ahead of:  Justin Fields (85.4); Russell Wilson (85.0)

QBR

• 49.1:  24th
• Ahead of:  Aaron Rodgers (41.4)

Completed Air Yards per Pass Attempt

• 3.8:  t-15th
• Tied with:  Patrick Mahomes
• Ahead of:  Trevor Lawrence (3.7); Aaron Rodgers (3.3); Daniel Jones (3.3)

Bad Throw %

• 18.5:  t-26th
• Ahead of:  Derek Carr (19.6); Justin Fields (20.1)

On Target %

• 71.8:  28th
• Ahead of:  Justin Fields (70.5); Taylor Heinicke (70.0)

Pocket Time (seconds)

• 2.2:  t-1st in NFL
• Tied with:  Jimmy Garoppolo, Trevor Lawrence, Tom Brady

Play Action Passing Yards per PA Attempt

• 8.8:  13th
• Ahead of:  Tua (8.7); Jalen Hurts (8.5); Joe Burrow (8.5); Lamar Jackson (8.0); Justin Herbert (7.4)

[BurntDice]

This is a good example of why looking at yards doesn’t matter 

[Jetsfan80]

5 minutes ago, BurntDice said:

This is a good example of why looking at yards doesn’t matter 

I guess?  But either way we'd all have signed up for Top 25 QB play.  Especially given the likes of Darnold and Wilson who have tended to rank in the QB32-QB34 range in many of these categories since 2018.

And White has at least proven to be at that top 25-ish level in a small sample size this season.  I expect he'll rise several spots up on these lists over the rest of the season, too.

Meanwhile, YPA is still pretty important regardless.  A high YPA is no guarantee to get you TDs but it'll certainly get you points (not to mention keep the D rested).  Which White has indeed produced in his 6 starts in this league.

[BurntDice]

2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

I guess?  But either way we'd all have signed up for Top 25 QB play.  Especially given the likes of Darnold and Wilson who have tended to rank in the QB32-QB34 range in many of these categories since 2018.

And White has at least proven to be at that top 25-ish level in a small sample size this season.  I expect he'll rise several spots up on these lists over the rest of the season, too.

Sure he’s better than dumpster fires. That’s great!

[pointman]

Its amazing how bad our Qb play has been for Mike White to be "refreshing" to watch, when according to those numbers... he sucks too. 

[DireJet]

32 minutes ago, pointman said:

Its amazing how bad our Qb play has been for Mike White to be "refreshing" to watch, when according to those numbers... he sucks too. 

His first 6 career starts, mind you. Would be interesting to see these #s vs others and their first 6 starts 

[slimjasi]

41 minutes ago, BurntDice said:

Sure he’s better than dumpster fires. That’s great!

Tbh, it’s a good start compared to what we’ve all been watching this past decade sans 2015. And then you remember that he has only started 6 career games, and there IS reason to be hopeful about him. 
 

If Zach Wilson currently had Mike White’s numbers extrapolated out to 13 games, there would be a lot of talk of a nice year 2 jump that gives us hope for year 3 and beyond 

[The Crusher]

56 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

I know stats don't matter for QB evaluation, only W-L record, but here's some stats and where Mike White would rank among QBs in 2022 currently (if he had enough throws to qualify) anyways for your perusal:

 

Yards per Game

• 317.3:  2nd
• Ahead of:  Justin Herbert (285.1); Joe Burrow (283.5); Josh Allen (273.3); Tua (273.1); Kirk Cousins (258.3); Trevor Lawrence (246.3); Derek Carr (239.8); Dak Prescott (230.9); Jimmy Garoppolo (221.5); Aaron Rodgers (220.3)

Completion %

• 62.0:  t-27th
• Tied with:  Derek Carr

YPA

• 7.4:  t-12th
• Tied with:  Dak Prescott
• Ahead of:  Derek Carr (7.2); Trevor Lawrence (7.0); Kirk Cousins (6.9); Aaron Rodgers (6.8)

QB Rating

• 85.8:  25th
• Ahead of:  Justin Fields (85.4); Russell Wilson (85.0)

QBR

• 49.1:  24th
• Ahead of:  Aaron Rodgers (41.4)

Completed Air Yards per Pass Attempt

• 3.8:  t-15th
• Tied with:  Patrick Mahomes
• Ahead of:  Trevor Lawrence (3.7); Aaron Rodgers (3.3); Daniel Jones (3.3)

Bad Throw %

• 18.5:  t-26th
• Ahead of:  Derek Carr (19.6); Justin Fields (20.1)

On Target %

• 71.8:  28th
• Ahead of:  Justin Fields (70.5); Taylor Heinicke (70.0)

Pocket Time (seconds)

• 2.2:  t-1st in NFL
• Tied with:  Jimmy Garoppolo, Trevor Lawrence, Tom Brady

Play Action Passing Yards per PA Attempt

• 8.8:  13th
• Ahead of:  Tua (8.7); Jalen Hurts (8.5); Joe Burrow (8.5); Lamar Jackson (8.0); Justin Herbert (7.4)

EAD! Zach beat Buffalo. 

[DireJet]

1 minute ago, The Crusher said:

EAD! Zach beat Buffalo. 

Heard he also cleaned the toilets at MetLife after and changed the C02 in the kegs. 

[BornJetsFan1983]

42 minutes ago, pointman said:

Its amazing how bad our Qb play has been for Mike White to be "refreshing" to watch, when according to those numbers... he sucks too. 

without context or watchign the games you could make the case, but Mike white has been everything but crappy. 

 

Great leader ont he field and playing a top 15 qb level in his games. love me some mike white!!

[T0mShane]

50 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

I guess?  But either way we'd all have signed up for Top 25 QB play.  Especially given the likes of Darnold and Wilson who have tended to rank in the QB32-QB34 range in many of these categories since 2018.

And White has at least proven to be at that top 25-ish level in a small sample size this season.  I expect he'll rise several spots up on these lists over the rest of the season, too.

Meanwhile, YPA is still pretty important regardless.  A high YPA is no guarantee to get you TDs but it'll certainly get you points (not to mention keep the D rested).  Which White has indeed produced in his 6 starts in this league.

Ranked fifth in EPA when pressured. Zach Wilson? 34th.

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

54 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

I guess?  But either way we'd all have signed up for Top 25 QB play.  Especially given the likes of Darnold and Wilson who have tended to rank in the QB32-QB34 range in many of these categories since 2018.

And White has at least proven to be at that top 25-ish level in a small sample size this season.  I expect he'll rise several spots up on these lists over the rest of the season, too.

Meanwhile, YPA is still pretty important regardless.  A high YPA is no guarantee to get you TDs but it'll certainly get you points (not to mention keep the D rested).  Which White has indeed produced in his 6 starts in this league.

We can’t even have top 15 at least??

[DireJet]

6 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Ranked fifth in EPA when pressured. Zach Wilson? 34th.

This is what ZW will have to prove to his teammates. He needs to stick in the pocket vs. the pressure, take a Milano-sized shot in the chops and complete the pass. And then get up, not complain and do it again. Anything short of that and he’ll never have the respect of his teammates. 

[Beerfish]

The Christians put up a lot of yards vs the Lions but they lost more than they won.

[doitny]

59 minutes ago, BurntDice said:

This is a good example of why looking at yards doesn’t matter 

yes they do. they give you more opportunities to score.

the best QBs have the most yards. Mahomes, Herbert, Burrow, Brady, Allen, Tua, Geno, Ryan, Cousins, Goff. except for Ryan thats a hell of a list and White is #2. and there all on winning teams except for Brady, Goff and Ryan and nobody is blaming Brady or Goff for their teams record.

[T0mShane]

Doesn’t have enough pass attempts to qualify, but he’d rank 10th in DVOA between Burrow and Dak Prescott. 

[The Crusher]

1 hour ago, DireJet said:

Heard he also cleaned the toilets at MetLife after and changed the C02 in the kegs. 

Link?

[DireJet]

17 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

Link?

https://www.theonion.com/terrified-zach-wilson-cuts-off-pinky-finger-to-get-out-1846788730

[playtowinthegame]

Mike White!!!

[CanadienJetsFan]

Let’s all smoke a joint and pretend that MW was the 2nd pick.

 

[St Louie Jet Fan]

2 hours ago, DireJet said:

This is what ZW will have to prove to his teammates. He needs to stick in the pocket vs. the pressure, take a Milano-sized shot in the chops and complete the pass. And then get up, not complain and do it again. Anything short of that and he’ll never have the respect of his teammates. 

They would have had to scrape Zachs corpse off the turf if he took the shots Mike White took.

[DireJet]

Just now, St Louie Jet Fan said:

They would have had to scrape Zachs corpse off the turf if he took the shots Mike White took.

He’d still be spinning like a top and prob be in Syracuse right now. ?

[DireJet]

24 minutes ago, CanadienJetsFan said:

Let’s all smoke a joint and pretend that MW was the 2nd pick.

 

Why do you think everyone at MetLife loves MW so much? It’s a sea of green out there!

[The Crusher]

0-2 against Buffalo

[Embrace the Suck]

The yards are partly due to playing catch up. (I'm not advocating for ZW) It would be nice to see MLF call a more open game as he has to do late in games, but teams may also play differently when not just trying to keep the play in front of them. The pocket time is nice, but it is also a problem at times. (I'm not advocating for ZW) MW misses opportunities because he often goes to his pre-snap read leading to the fast pocket time. MW may play efficiently but that isn't enough, particularly when behind. He can certainly grow as he gets more comfortable on the field, but he's also kind of slight, and may not last long health wise. (I'm not advocating for ZW)

[the Claw]

Until the MFW-lead offense starts scoring touchdowns he will always just be the really pretty girl with out-of-control eczema. 

[southparkcpa]

3 hours ago, pointman said:

Its amazing how bad our Qb play has been for Mike White to be "refreshing" to watch, when according to those numbers... he sucks too. 

I agree with the sentiment. 27th in completions..jeez     He’s better than Zach but he is a journeyman we are hoping turns it around.  There is simply NOTHING about him to not like as a player.   Guts and Glory.   I hope he plays a bit better, would love to see him do well.  

[Jetsfan80]

3 hours ago, Zachtomims47 said:

We can’t even have top 15 at least??

It's coming.

[Jetsfan80]

3 hours ago, Beerfish said:

The Christians put up a lot of yards vs the Lions but they lost more than they won.

Yet now Christianity is the world's most popular religion, soooooo

[Jetsfan80]

2 hours ago, doitny said:

yes they do. they give you more opportunities to score.

And eventually White and co. are gonna figure out this RZ thing.  Yards = more shots at TDs.  There's gonna be some positive regression there.  

[Darnold's Forehead]

41 minutes ago, Embrace the Suck said:

The yards are partly due to playing catch up. (I'm not advocating for ZW) It would be nice to see MLF call a more open game as he has to do late in games, but teams may also play differently when not just trying to keep the play in front of them. The pocket time is nice, but it is also a problem at times. (I'm not advocating for ZW) MW misses opportunities because he often goes to his pre-snap read leading to the fast pocket time. MW may play efficiently but that isn't enough, particularly when behind. He can certainly grow as he gets more comfortable on the field, but he's also kind of slight, and may not last long health wise. (I'm not advocating for ZW)

Are you advocating for ZW?

[Embrace the Suck]

Just now, Darnold's Forehead said:

Are you advocating for ZW?

One must clarify otherwise it becomes a ZW sucks in defense of MW thread. Gotta make sure people stay on topic.

[BurntDice]

3 hours ago, slimjasi said:

Tbh, it’s a good start compared to what we’ve all been watching this past decade sans 2015. And then you remember that he has only started 6 career games, and there IS reason to be hopeful about him. 
 

If Zach Wilson currently had Mike White’s numbers extrapolated out to 13 games, there would be a lot of talk of a nice year 2 jump that gives us hope for year 3 and beyond 

I feel like I have to make a pre comment here that I am a former hopeful yet realistic Zach person and a White doubter (aka non Zach fanboy, not zachs mom @CanadaSteve, and just a average fan who wants the team to win)

 

In my mind the difference between  darnold, zachs first seasonish and the current white has a lot to due with white being in his 5th season vs both of their first or 2nd.  There has been amble time for white to work on his fundamentals, film study strategy etc.  in my mind he’s much closer to his ceiling (which is 25ish qb atm according to the post) than the qbs we’ve had over the past 5ish years. 
 

this is why I want a vet qb in here unless White starts to blow the doors off and makes me smile cheek to cheek. 

[GreenFish]

2 hours ago, CanadienJetsFan said:

Let’s all smoke a joint and pretend that MW was the 2nd pick.

 

If Mike White was the 2nd overall pick and playing like he has, Jets fans every where would be like

[Integrity28]

45 minutes ago, GreenFish said:

If Mike White was the 2nd overall pick and playing like he has, Jets fans every where would be like

This x10000

There’s a huge contingency of fans that are unable to accept that the guy who was supposed to be the guy, is not the guy… instead, the guy who isn’t supposed to be the guy has shown signs that maybe, in time he can be… so they clash with the entire situation, because it’s not ideal, rather than being in the moment.

Oh well.

Ill ride this train as far as it goes. I’ll worry about where it stops, once it stops. For now, beat the Lions.