Grading every Mike White throw (Michael Nania does a great job with these)

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

Just read & watch the simple video breakdowns.  There were definitely some misses-- yet another one to Elijah Moore who was breaking open on third down, a throw in the dirt, a bad read to Uzomah on third down, and the almost interception.  You can also see some pretty lazy routes by Mims ...  and Berrios having the ball hit him right in the hands on the Q4 slant near the end zone. 

The good from White is surprisingly good compared to how he was evaluated after last year.  His high level throw rate (for lack of a better term) is top 10 in the league over the past 3 weeks per some stats that were referenced from another analytics site.  Different article.

On the Mike White improvement side, he started slow for the 2nd week in a row, took a couple bad sacks in cases he needs to throw the ball away, and missed an open Moore by going through his progressions too fast and then an open Wilson by choosing a covered Uzomah earlier in the progression.  I feel the former is something that is more common for White, not allowing enough time for certain mismatches to work themselves open. 

For football junkies and those with an open mind about White, this is a great read & analysis.           

https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/12/15/ny-jets-grading-every-mike-white-throw-bills/

[kevinc855]

What people forget about Mike White is has only 6 career starts. He will get better as he gets more reps. 

If Zach Wilson was anywhere near this at 6 starts we be ball washing JD saying we drafted the savior for the next 20 years.

We can't expect perfection from Mike White, but we see potential and progress. Let it grow!! 

[JohnnyLV]

1 hour ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

Just read & watch the simple video breakdowns.  There were definitely some misses-- yet another one to Elijah Moore who was breaking open on third down, a throw in the dirt, a bad read to Uzomah on third down, and the almost interception.  You can also see some pretty lazy routes by Mims ...  and Berrios having the ball hit him right in the hands on the Q4 slant near the end zone. 

The good from White is surprisingly good compared to how he was evaluated after last year.  His high level throw rate (for lack of a better term) is top 10 in the league over the past 3 weeks per some stats that were referenced from another analytics site.  Different article.

On the Mike White improvement side, he started slow for the 2nd week in a row, took a couple bad sacks in cases he needs to throw the ball away, and missed an open Moore by going through his progressions too fast and then an open Wilson by choosing a covered Uzomah earlier in the progression.  I feel the former is something that is more common for White, not allowing enough time for certain mismatches to work themselves open. 

For football junkies and those with an open mind about White, this is a great read & analysis.           

https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/12/15/ny-jets-grading-every-mike-white-throw-bills/

Nania is an arrogant douche nozzle. I cant stand his content.

[Larz]

1 hour ago, kevinc855 said:

What people forget about Mike White is has only 6 career starts. He will get better as he gets more reps. 

If Zach Wilson was anywhere near this at 6 starts we be ball washing JD saying we drafted the savior for the next 20 years.

We can't expect perfection from Mike White, but we see potential and progress. Let it grow!! 

He’s 27 years old fwiw

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

15 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

Nania is an arrogant douche nozzle. I cant stand his content.

Wow - think he's pretty fair with the attached analysis.  Maybe just watch his video clips without the summary and draw your own conclusions.

 

 

[FidelioJet]

2 hours ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

and Berrios having the ball hit him right in the hands on the Q4 slant near the end zone. 

If he's blaming Berrios for this incompletion then his analysis is way off and he can't be taken seriously.  Good or bad.

 

 

[C Mart]

59 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

Nania is an arrogant douche nozzle. I cant stand his content.

What are his qualifications to grade?  Just asking..

[undertow]

Just like every other Jets content creator this guy said Wilson was playing great a month ago and also said White was terrible for over a year.

[undertow]

8 minutes ago, C Mart said:

What are his qualifications to grade?  Just asking..

he has internet connection. 

[T0mShane]

SORRY unless one of these throws features Mike White in shorts rolling left but throwing deep to the right hash, it’s basically not even a REAL PASS. #backuparm

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

18 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

If he's blaming Berrios for this incompletion then his analysis is way off and he can't be taken seriously.  Good or bad.

 

 

Bang bang play, I don’t think it’s black and white either way..

It was more about the throw which was where the play was designed to go.  Really no other options and White put it in the only place he could.  The article is about White, not Berrios.  The Berrios play was one of many 

[T0mShane]

2 hours ago, kevinc855 said:

What people forget about Mike White is has only 6 career starts. He will get better as he gets more reps. 

If Zach Wilson was anywhere near this at 6 starts we be ball washing JD saying we drafted the savior for the next 20 years.

We can't expect perfection from Mike White, but we see potential and progress. Let it grow!! 

Same fanbase that lost their sh*t when Wilson completed a six yard slant to Mims a few weeks ago.

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

21 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

If he's blaming Berrios for this incompletion then his analysis is way off and he can't be taken seriously.  Good or bad.

 

 

I blame Lefluer for expecting tiny Berrios to secure a big catch in traffic like this.

Also Berrios gets alligator arms here because he sees the hit coming and tenses up. 

[FidelioJet]

7 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Same fanbase that lost their sh*t when Wilson completed a six yard slant to Mims a few weeks ago.

To secure a win against the Super Bowl favorites.

Better to lose our sh*t over a 5 yard out - on 3rd and 15?

[FidelioJet]

12 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

Bang bang play, I don’t think it’s black and white either way..

It was more about the throw which was where the play was designed to go.  Really no other options and White put it in the only place he could.  The article is about White, not Berrios.  The Berrios play was one of many 

Designed or not, you don't throw the ball into triple coverage.  He's lucky that wasn't intercepted.

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

39 minutes ago, undertow said:

Just like every other Jets content creator this guy said Wilson was playing great a month ago and also said White was terrible for over a year.

He didn’t exactly say that.  Look at the grades he gave Wilson this year and last. They are not good.  

[doitny]

1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:

If he's blaming Berrios for this incompletion then his analysis is way off and he can't be taken seriously.  Good or bad.

 

 

now that i see it slowed down your right, Berrios should have had that.

[T0mShane]

35 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

To secure a win against the Super Bowl favorites.

Better to lose our sh*t over a 5 yard out - on 3rd and 15?

I know! They actually let Zach throw a forward pass on third down and to a wide receiver no less! It was like a double unicorn!

[T0mShane]

43 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said:

I blame Lefluer for expecting tiny Berrios to secure a big catch in traffic like this.

Also Berrios gets alligator arms here because he sees the hit coming and tenses up. 

A good WR catches that pass. Berrios is not a good wide receiver. 

[FidelioJet]

6 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

A good WR catches that pass. Berrios is not a good wide receiver. 

That ball should never be thrown and if he continues to throw balls like that there won't be any WR's left to throw to soon.  

No WR should ever be asked to catch that ball.

Berrios is not a good WR agreed. -terrible decision to throw that ball though.

But stop.  People look up to you around here - and think you're serious.  And start to believe it.

[T0mShane]

Just now, FidelioJet said:

That ball should never be thrown and if he continues to throw balls like that there won't be any WR's left to throw to soon.  

No WR should ever be asked to catch that ball.

Berrios is not a good WR. - But stop.  Terrible decision to throw that ball.

There are two Bills about to disembowel him when he releases that pass. It was do or die. In fairness to Berrios, that was Corey Davis’ play. Poor usage of personnel. 

[T0mShane]

As to beating up Nania, every NFL analyst who has watched the Bills tape has been effusive in their praise of White’s performance. He threw some very high-level passes in that game. YES HE HAS TO PUT IT IN THE END ZONE OBV. But, there were some elite-level passes going on.

[Darnold's Forehead]

1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:

If he's blaming Berrios for this incompletion then his analysis is way off and he can't be taken seriously.  Good or bad.

 

 

OK LOL FULL STOP

So you mean to tell me that after a full year and a half of blaming our WRs and TEs for not finger catching Zach’s horribly placed passes, you are now here to exonerate Berrios from blame for dropping a perfectly placed ball from Mike White?

LOL

”They’re professionals.  Professionals are supposed to catch those.”

[FidelioJet]

16 minutes ago, Darnold's Forehead said:

OK LOL FULL STOP

So you mean to tell me that after a full year and a half of blaming our WRs and TEs for not finger catching Zach’s horribly placed passes, you are now here to exonerate Berrios from blame for dropping a perfectly placed ball from Mike White?

LOL

”They’re professionals.  Professionals are supposed to catch those.”

Find where I blamed a WR?  Confusing me with someone else. Well, this year anyway...Honeslty, this season I was actually pretty hard on Zach's accuracy.  You can check it out.

Seriously though, you can't possibly have looked at that throw and thought

1 - it should have been caught

2-it was a good idea to throw it.

[jgb]

1 hour ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

Bang bang play, I don’t think it’s black and white either way..

It was more about the throw which was where the play was designed to go.  Really no other options and White put it in the only place he could.  The article is about White, not Berrios.  The Berrios play was one of many 

That’s how debate work these days. Find one point you can pick at then throw the entire analysis away.

[jgb]

20 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

That ball should never be thrown and if he continues to throw balls like that there won't be any WR's left to throw to soon.  

No WR should ever be asked to catch that ball.

Berrios is not a good WR agreed. -terrible decision to throw that ball though.

But stop.  People look up to you around here - and think you're serious.  And start to believe it.

No one looks up to Tom. But we are highly entertained by his witty Loki-esque insouciance.

[jetswinbaby!]

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

11 minutes ago, jgb said:

That’s how debate work these days. Find one point you can pick at than throw the entire analysis away.

I know.  It is more tiring that debating with my kids.

Why even post?

[jgb]

3 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

I know.  It is more tiring that debating with my kids.

Why even post?

There are people worth debating here my pre NY resolution is to just let the others float on by.

[DireJet]

This guy’s about to hang 30 on Detroit with 1/4 of a spleen and 2 functioning ribs. 

[Flashlite80]

4 hours ago, kevinc855 said:

What people forget about Mike White is has only 6 career starts. He will get better as he gets more reps. 

If Zach Wilson was anywhere near this at 6 starts we be ball washing JD saying we drafted the savior for the next 20 years.

We can't expect perfection from Mike White, but we see potential and progress. Let it grow!! 

Absolutely agree.  If Berrios holds that ball we beat Minny.  If not for all the mistakes against Buffalo, 13 points worth, we beat Buffalo again.

We haven't had 3 quarterback starts in a row ,this good, in 10 years.  He played some top defenses the last two weeks and played hurt against Buffalo.  If we gave Zach the same leash, he would be delivering for UPS for a year now.

[doitny]

45 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Find where I blamed a WR?  Confusing me with someone else. Well, this year anyway...Honeslty, this season I was actually pretty hard on Zach's accuracy.  You can check it out.

Seriously though, you can't possibly have looked at that throw and thought

1 - it should have been caught

2-it was a good idea to throw it.

it probably should not have been thrown BUT it should have been caught. it went thru his hands and ricochet off his helmet.

now it probably would have been knocked loose with that guy flying in for the hit but he had it or should have.

[FidelioJet]

2 minutes ago, doitny said:

it probably should not have been thrown BUT it should have been caught. it went thru his hands and ricochet off his helmet.

now it probably would have been knocked loose with that guy flying in for the hit but he had it or should have.

Okay...fair enough.

In other words, it's likely incomplete regardless, but he should have gotten his hands on it and brought it in before the big hit came.  

I can buy that.

[GangGreened]

1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:

Find where I blamed a WR?  Confusing me with someone else. Well, this year anyway...Honeslty, this season I was actually pretty hard on Zach's accuracy.  You can check it out.

Seriously though, you can't possibly have looked at that throw and thought

1 - it should have been caught

2-it was a good idea to throw it.

This should not have been caught?

[FidelioJet]

3 minutes ago, GangGreened said:

This should not have been caught?

That one could have been caught...

Could have been a better throw...