Zach starting Sunday (merged)

[slimjasi]

6 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I’m not asking you to buy into a conspiracy, I’m illustrating that there was a subjective space between playing Mike White or benching Mike White and the Jets org opted to bench Mike White, the rationale of which we’re discussing here. I would suggest that credulously taking the Jets word on any of this is, as we’ve seen, not your best move.

I don't believe this is entirely correct - you still need some doctor in your corner in case things go wrong. To put it another way, if the Jets let Mike White play and he suffered some catastrophic internal injury on the field, all of their careers are over once it comes out that they couldn't find a doctor to clear him for physical contact. 

Also - you don't really have to take the Jets word for it- Mike White admitted that he has fractured ribs. 

By the way, even though I think you are reaching here, IF you are right that the Jets are covering something up - it WILL come out. 

[Green Truth]

Just now, Jet Nut said:

You can play with fractured ribs, this wrong. 
Remember Herbert playing with cracked ribs?  

The excuse is Herbert was cleared, White was not. LOL

[slimjasi]

5 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Osemele was a check casher who filed grievances against multiple franchises for asking him to play football.

I agree - and yet, the point stands. Players routinely (as in, across the league every single year) seek out second opinions on medical diagnoses. 

And, by the way, as someone who works in medical research, I will tell you that everyone (not just NFL players) should always at least consider seeking out second opinions when they diagnosed with something serious. Contrary to popular belief, doctors can be inept and make mistakes just like the rest of us. 

[C Mart]

2 minutes ago, Green Truth said:

The excuse is Herbert was cleared, White was not. LOL

I thought it was the NFL wanted ZW to play

[JetsYanks13]

I don't believe this is entirely correct - you still need some doctor in your corner in case things go wrong. To put it another way, if the Jets let Mike White play and he suffered some catastrophic internal injury on the field, all of their careers are over once it comes out that they couldn't find a doctor to clear him for physical contact. 
Also - you don't really have to take the Jets word for it- Mike White admitted that he has fractured ribs. 
By the way, even though I think you are reaching here, IF you are right that the Jets are covering something up - it WILL come out. 

This is not the NFL of yesteryear where guys like Ronnie Lott went out and played with reckless abandon for his safety and others. There’s so many rules in place to protect these guys in event of injuries. But, the last bunch of years, we’ve seen the blue tent, higher number of POS players, probably more personal fouls, concussion protocol and several other factors. I’m not sure, but leaning toward yes, that a DR has to clearWhite to play due to the possibility of punctured organs in a game. The NFL will probably investigate the whole situation and the Dr(s) who let White back in the game are probably under fire.


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[JetsYanks13]

The excuse is Herbert was cleared, White was not. LOL

It’s not an excuse, it’s the truth, DT’s did not clear White to play, don’t know anything about the Herbert injury and the follow up with Dr(s)


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[T0mShane]

7 minutes ago, JetsYanks13 said:

White has a fractured rib and multiple doctors have not cleared him to play, that’s not on the Jets, it’s on the injury and the doctors. The Jets have nothing to do with the decision. The timing to me seems like gamesmanship and a Friday Dump ad I think the Jets knew since the beginning of the week White was not cleared to play. Furthermore, I suspect when he went back into the game, he further injured himself. Taking the Jets word, at times, is murky at best, but not when it comes to a potential severe injury. There’s no way doctors/ The Jets are selling the fans a bill of goods to start Wilson. Ribs take at least 6 weeks to heal, I went through it, a sneeze feels like death, can only imagine getting hit by an NFL player.


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7 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

I don't believe this is entirely correct - you still need some doctor in your corner in case things go wrong. To put it another way, if the Jets let Mike White play and he suffered some catastrophic internal injury on the field, all of their careers are over once it comes out that they couldn't find a doctor to clear him for physical contact. 

Also - you don't really have to take the Jets word for it- Mike White admitted that he has fractured ribs. 

By the way, even though I think you are reaching here, IF you are right that the Jets are covering something up - it WILL come out. 

Gonna dip out to the company Christmas brunch, but I just wanted to say good talk, bros. We’ll pick this up later until we’re screaming at each other online. J! ?

[GangGreened]

10 minutes ago, C Mart said:

I thought the Jets beat Jax last yr the day after xmas.....

What’s that have to do with Thursdays game?

[JetsYanks13]

Gonna dip out to the company Christmas brunch, but I just wanted to say good talk, bros. We’ll pick this up later until we’re screaming at each other online. J! ?

I’ll never scream at you Tom, your a legend, lol. Don’t roll like that, I expect nothing less than healthy discourse. Enjoy the party brother, have a shot on Zach winning 4 straight, it may just work.


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[Green Truth]

Something fishy in Denmark. After The Sunday night hospital visit. They would have said it on Monday, because the rib is going to heal by Friday?  

So lets play games with the other team and wait until Friday. If that's what it is, so be it. Detroit practices for White and they get thrown a curveball. All good then.

[JetsYanks13]

Something fishy in Denmark. After The Sunday night hospital visit. They would have said it on Monday, because the rib is going to heal by Friday?  
So lets play games with the other team and wait until Friday. If that's what it is, so be it. Detroit practices for White and they get thrown a curveball. All good then.

Bingo!


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[Green Ghost]

2 hours ago, DireJet said:

I don’t know why people think this is so crazy after the 2008 financial collapse. It’s literally rich and powerful people protecting rich and powerful people. Same as it ever was. 

[C Mart]

4 minutes ago, Green Truth said:

Something fishy in Denmark. After The Sunday night hospital visit. They would have said it on Monday, because the rib is going to heal by Friday?  

So lets play games with the other team and wait until Friday. If that's what it is, so be it. Detroit practices for White and they get thrown a curveball. All good then.

“We kind of had an idea (Wilson would start),” Campbell said right out of the gate in his press conference Friday morning. “We’re ready.”

Coach Campbell continued on Wilson,

“We knew he was going into the game anyway, so we figured they were going to play him. It’s really — same thing, man. It’s about being disciplined. We know what type of game this will be, what they’re going to want to do offensively.

https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2022/12/16/dan-campbell-lions-vs-jets-zach-wilson-starting-were-ready-week-15/

[ylekram]

42 minutes ago, JetsYanks13 said:

Agreed, he had his awesome moments in both games along with some poor moments, but it’s not like he drove the team down the field at the end of each game to win. Especially, the Vikings game, posters cant admit it cause of their obsession with White. They cherry pick his highs, but leave out the lows. Cooper Rush was 4-1 as starter of the Cowboys, just sayin and Purdy is 2-0.


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i probably should have used "didnt do enough" instead of "didnt do much"

[C Mart]

9 minutes ago, GangGreened said:

What’s that have to do with Thursdays game?

23 minutes ago, GangGreened said:

Yup. The absolute worst case scenario, minus the win. Except it’s an NFC team so it’s less  impactful.

Then we get Zach vs Trevor and we all know how that will go. Fate sealed.

[slimjasi]

16 minutes ago, JetsYanks13 said:

 The timing to me seems like gamesmanship and a Friday Dump ad I think the Jets knew since the beginning of the week White was not cleared to play. 

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I finally had a chance to listen to the press conference. Saleh basically confirmed this. He said that, when they elevated Zach to the backup, it was with the clear understanding that he was very likely going to play because Mike White had NOT been cleared for contact, only for practice. I also went back and listened to Saleh on Monday and on Wednesday - again, he only ever said that Mike White was cleared for practice, not for contact. 

The Jets knew Wilson was very likely starting since last Sunday night, IMO. 

[JetsYanks13]

“We kind of had an idea (Wilson would start),” Campbell said right out of the gate in his press conference Friday morning. “We’re ready.”
Coach Campbell continued on Wilson,
“We knew he was going into the game anyway, so we figured they were going to play him. It’s really — same thing, man. It’s about being disciplined. We know what type of game this will be, what they’re going to want to do offensively.
https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2022/12/16/dan-campbell-lions-vs-jets-zach-wilson-starting-were-ready-week-15/

Then the word was spreading in league circles since the beginning of the week. So much media in the NFL, hence the foolish takes at conspiracy theories.


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[GangGreened]

2 minutes ago, C Mart said:

 

Trevor has improved greatly since that game. Zach has regressed. Whatever point you’re trying to make

[C Mart]

2 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

I finally had a chance to listen to the press conference. Saleh basically confirmed this. He said that, when they elevated Zach to the backup, it was with the clear understanding that he was very likely going to play because Mike White had NOT been cleared for contact, only for practice. I also went back and listened to Saleh on Monday and on Wednesday - again, he only ever said that Mike White was cleared for practice, not for contact. 

The Jets knew Wilson was very likely starting since last Sunday night, IMO. 

But he said he made the decision last Friday that ZW would be #2 this week

[oatmeal]

Zach Wilson goes out there and looks like Zach Wilson he deserves to get boo'd out of met-life and jets will deserve all the hate that will follow because they continue to force this scrub down our throats 

Stop forcing this scrub on the team because they dont even like him 

Smfh

[JetsYanks13]

I finally had a chance to listen to the press conference. Saleh basically confirmed this. He said that, when they elevated Zach to the backup, it was with the clear understanding that he was very likely going to play because Mike White had NOT been cleared for contact, only for practice. I also went back and listened to Saleh on Monday and on Wednesday - again, he only ever said that Mike White was cleared for practice, not for contact. 
The Jets knew Wilson was very likely starting since last Sunday night, IMO. 

Makes sense, thanks for the take. Saleh playing with verbiage there, but these teams see through the fluff. Also, the media must have leaked news early in the week and the Lions just rolled with it.


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[SomebodytoAnybody47]

3 minutes ago, JetsYanks13 said:

Then the word was spreading in league circles since the beginning of the week. So much media in the NFL, hence the foolish takes at conspiracy theories.


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I mean, doesn't take much to look at the hits White was taking and think there's a good chance Wilson will see the field. 

[slimjasi]

Just now, C Mart said:

But he said he made the decision last Friday that ZW would be #2 this week

We don't really know when they made it clear to Zach that he was playing this week  - I imagine on Monday. But he was saying that they knew they were going to elevate Zach to be QB #2 way back on Friday, and the way I took, that once Mike White wasn't cleared for contact, they knew Zach would be playing. 

[Jets723]

1 minute ago, oatmeal said:

Zach Wilson goes out there and looks like Zach Wilson he deserves to get boo'd out of met-life and jets will deserve all the hate that will follow because they continue to force this scrub down our throats 

Stop forcing this scrub on the team because they dont even like him 

Smfh

Posts like these seem agenda driven.  We should root for both players since they are both Jets and at the end of the day the goal is to root to win.  It’s not about White vs Wilson nonsense. White had done a very good job and it’s sucks he got hurt but it’s next man up.  You’ve made up your mind about Wilson and that’s fine but they’re not going to just throw the kid away in the trash less than two years after picking him with the 2nd pick.  Doesn’t mean he is the future but maybe for the time being you might you know…try and root for the kid

[JoJoTownsell1]

1 hour ago, xJayce said:

I am severely conflicted here... I was loving what the offense was doing (while at the same time not being thrilled with the lack of finish or the two losses). Great opportunity for Zach to show that he's learned something while being benched.

If Zach does well, does that change anything? Does he finish the season? If the offense chokes, does he play another snap this season?

Who's our back-up? Is Strev QB2?

Flacco is the backup on Sunday. (vomit)

If he plays well and they win, it will be interesting, but I am guessing he keeps the job. If he sucks, then he is done. 

[jvill 51]

29 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I’m not asking you to buy into a conspiracy, I’m illustrating that there was a subjective space between playing Mike White or benching Mike White and the Jets org opted to bench Mike White, the rationale of which we’re discussing here. I would suggest that credulously taking the Jets word on any of this is, as we’ve seen, not your best move.

Except it's not just the Jets word, it's Mike White's as well, and it's informed by multiple sources unaffiliated with the Jets. And Mike White has a vested interest in not being railroaded into giving up his starting job while he's playing well and set to become an unrestricted free agent. And if Mike White did find a doctor who cleared him for contact, and the Jets are lying about it, Mike White would almost undoubtedly get the word out there either himself, through his agent, or through a leak to the media.

Given all that, the only alternative, reasonable, non conspiratorial take, of how multiple outside doctors (10 by Mike White's account, a number which you don't believe so we'll go with multiple) didn't clear Mike White for contact seems to be that no outside doctor would ever clear an NFL player with his injury for contact, but in reality Mike White's injury is not so bad that other NFL teams' medical staffs would rule him out. Which is a take I don't find particularly convincing for explaining why Mike White actually SHOULD be playing, but would rather be an indictment on NFL medical staffs. 

[JetsYanks13]

Posts like these seem agenda driven.  We should root for both players since they are both Jets and at the end of the day the goal is to root to win.  It’s not about White vs Wilson nonsense. White had done a very good job and it’s sucks he got hurt but it’s next man up.  You’ve made up your mind about Wilson and that’s fine but they’re not going to just throw the kid away in the trash less than two years after picking him with the 2nd pick.  Doesn’t mean he is the future but maybe for the time being you might you know…try and root for the kid

Great point, we need the Jets to win the next bunch of games and make the playoffs. We can figure out QB in the off-season.


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[Larz]

Ok everyone, no more chuck norris stuff until a guy wins the SB lol 

[xJayce]

7 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Flacco is the backup on Sunday. (vomit)

If he plays well and they win, it will be interesting, but I am guessing he keeps the job. If he sucks, then he is done. 

?!?!?! I was worried it would be Strev, not I'm terrified that it's Flacco.

The good news is that Zach is nimble and great at escaping. The bad news is that if he's playing terribly, we're sinking on the USS Wilson as there's no way Flacco should see the field.

[Fantasy Island]

There is no excuse for Wilson AND Flacco being 1 and 2.  
 

not fair to the team or fans.  
 

 

[maury77]

5 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

Mike White needs a backiotomy

[Biggs]

43 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I’m not asking you to buy into a conspiracy, I’m illustrating that there was a subjective space between playing Mike White or benching Mike White and the Jets org opted to bench Mike White, the rationale of which we’re discussing here. I would suggest that credulously taking the Jets word on any of this is, as we’ve seen, not your best move.

As a fan watching the game Sunday I wanted MW to come back into the game.   I thought it was amazingly stupid they put him back in.   I was really shocked by the idea that he would play this week.  It was obvious how much pain he was in and he couldn't protect himself.  

The "subjective" space is a big problem in a game where players are dying young, have major brain damage and depression and can't walk up a flight of stairs in their 40's.  

I grew up in the old game.  Love it but we know things now we didn't know and the NFL makes a big deal about pretending to protect the players.  Throwing him back out was a bad look for the team.   Mincing words like cleared for practice and cleared for contact was another bad look.   

Mike White is more than an assett to the team.  He's a young man with a family.

[Jet Nut]

48 minutes ago, Green Truth said:

The excuse is Herbert was cleared, White was not. LOL

So, 2 questions, how many ribs did Herbert crack?  1?   2?  3?  4?

All fractures are the same?  Complete break is just like a hairline fracture?  

What are you even arguing?  

[Integrity28]

1 hour ago, JetsYanks13 said:

You know what that feels like I guess, you still haven’t answered that question or any other question for that matter. Your the king of deflections. Once again Mike White ended both games throwing incompletions for both losses. Your also supporting the conspiracy theory of the excuse of an injury to simply play Zach, which is comic relief, lol. Also, White was 1-2, if he plays the next 4, then what’s his record? Curious on answer, and please don’t bring Zach into this. Next, is White better than Cooper Rush?


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Goofy and cockeyed.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

51 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

And, by the way, as someone who works in medical research, I will tell you that everyone (not just NFL players) should always at least consider seeking out second opinions when they diagnosed with something serious. Contrary to popular belief, doctors can be inept and make mistakes just like the rest of us. 

Totally

This is common sense.  But it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of people don't.  People can be too trusting of their doctors.  Or it can be a money issue.  Seeking out expert opinions (i.e. the best of the best) might require cash (and access / relationships) many don't have.