Zach starting Sunday (merged)

[jvill 51]

27 minutes ago, choon328 said:

Tua never came back in. Tua and the other QBs I mentioned were ruled out immediately for the next week. 

The big problem I have is that the severity of this injury was known to the medical staff, Jets front office and coaches by the latest Wednesday. Why after knowing the severity did the doctors clear him for practice knowing that he could never be cleared for the game? People can play through broken ribs, it comes down to pain tolerance and their ability to breathe. If the scan showed on Wednesday that bc of the location of the injury White wouldn't be able to play bc of a risk of an internal organ being damaged then why did they wait till Friday to release that info? And why did they clear him for practice on Wednesday? Wednesday and Thursday Saleh and White were talking like they were very confident he would play. They had to have known the severity and location of the injury by Thursday.

The reason why this all suddenly changed is bc the injury is an excuse to start Wilson and the front office dictated to Saleh that Wilson needed to start this week. They're using the injury as cover to avoid the backlash from media, players and fans. 

I am not a conspiracy theorist by any means but the whole way the HC and front office have handled this stinks like a rotting corpse. This is about JD's pride right now, not about the success of the team. 

Vick wasn’t ruled out until later on in the week for any of the games he missed with broken ribs in 2011.

As for White, it’s clear from hearing both him and Saleh talk today that there was a bit of gamesmanship and also an attempt to allow White to try and find a doctor that would clear him. Again, this theory that the edict came down from on high just today doesn’t fit, at all, with the now hopefully accepted fact that Mike White consulted with multiple outside doctors who also would not clear him to play. If the plan was for him to play, and he and Saleh were blindsided by JD/Woody, then why was White spending the week visiting doctors? Why do these outside doctors also not think he should play? Why is White/his agent/“anonymous sources” not blowing the whistle when there is tens of millions of dollars on the line?

And, this part is certainly debatable, but I’ll just add that yeah it’s definitely a mark against JD if Zach doesn’t pan out (which is highly likely). But the talent he’s added to this team outside of Zach is abundantly clear, Mike White has been highlighting it even more, and there is no chance he’s getting fired this year even if he does move on from Zach. If Mike White could play, he gives the Jets the best chance to win, and the Jets making the playoffs or at least playing well down the stretch would do way more for Joe D’s job security than turning back to Zach and potentially blowing the whole thing and Zach continuing to look awful. So leaving aside that the facts just don’t add up, I think there’s at least a reasonable debate that the alleged motive doesn’t make a ton of sense either.

[56mehl56]

26 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

That's my point. I think Amazon is having some serious buyers remorse and if MW was starting, they can't  hype the game as they now can with Zach playing. 

There is no hype for a game between ZW and Lawrence. 

[Jetsfan80]

3 minutes ago, jvill 51 said:

Vick wasn’t ruled out until later on in the week for any of the games he missed with broken ribs in 2011.

As for White, it’s clear from hearing both him and Saleh talk today that there was a bit of gamesmanship and also an attempt to allow White to try and find a doctor that would clear him. Again, this theory that the edict came down from on high just today doesn’t fit, at all, with the now hopefully accepted fact that Mike White consulted with multiple outside doctors who also would not clear him to play. If the plan was for him to play, and he and Saleh were blindsided by JD/Woody, then why was White spending the week visiting doctors? Why do these outside doctors also not think he should play? Why is White/his agent/“anonymous sources” not blowing the whistle when there is tens of millions of dollars on the line?

And, this part is certainly debatable, but I’ll just add that yeah it’s definitely a mark against JD if Zach doesn’t pan out (which is highly likely). But the talent he’s added to this team outside of Zach is abundantly clear, Mike White has been highlighting it even more, and there is no chance he’s getting fired this year even if he does move on from Zach. If Mike White could play, he gives the Jets the best chance to win, and the Jets making the playoffs or at least playing well down the stretch would do way more for Joe D’s job security than turning back to Zach and potentially blowing the whole thing and Zach continuing to look awful. So leaving aside that the facts just don’t add up, I think there’s at least a reasonable debate that the alleged motive doesn’t make a ton of sense either.

[jvill 51]

26 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Wait what? Now people think Amazon is calling the shots on who plays for the Jets?

This is like a bad mafia game. Can we just kill @Jetsfan80 already?

[Jetsfan80]

26 minutes ago, jvill 51 said:

This is like a bad mafia game. Can we just kill @Jetsfan80 already?

The sad reality that Wilson is likely starting the final 4 games makes me want to play Mafia, that’s for sure.  

[Rangers9]

Watching SNY and mods are ripping Zach esp Connor Hughes saying he can’t run Jets offense when he was playing they had him on training wheels and went mainly with running game because they didn’t trust him enough to throw the ball more. They are high on White saying they were able to open up the passing game with White who could do things Zach couldn’t. Also that flaws in Zach’s game could take a lot longer to fix than 3 weeks. Not sure agree with that beat down of Zach but they talk to CS and teammates and that’s what they think. 

[Greg555]

43 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said:

y’all are crazy 

Totally agree.  As if Douglas & Saleh would be more interested in protecting and defending the choice of Wilson at 2…over and above giving the team the best chance to make the playoffs?

Ridiculous.    Check the IQ of these conspiracy theorists with regard to the Jets QB for Sunday.  Is it at all surprising to hear Joe Benigno is one? 

[Barry McCockinner]

5 minutes ago, Rangers9 said:

Watching SNY and mods are ripping Zach esp Connor Hughes saying he can’t run Jets offense when he was playing they had him on training wheels and went mainly with running game because they didn’t trust him enough to throw the ball more. They are high on White saying they were able to open up the passing game with White who could do things Zach couldn’t. Also that flaws in Zach’s game could take a lot longer to fix than 3 weeks. Not sure agree with that beat down of Zach but they talk to CS and teammates and that’s what they think. 

"could take longer than 3 weeks"

gee, ya think?

[jvill 51]

9 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

The sad reality that Wilson is likely starting the final 4 games makes me want to play Mafia, that’s for sure.  

[Dunnie]

I decided to wait until the flurry had passed to post my full support of Zach Wilson this weekend.  Lets go kid ... would have preferred that you stay inactive until camp to get the best reset possible.  But the football gods have brought you back from the dead early.   Lets go !!! Use your head, try to stay mechanically sound, no hero ball, make good reads ... win the damn game.   Mr. White filled in admirably and showed you have to lead by example, sacrificing his brittle body in an attempt to beat the beasts of the North ... but despite his valiant efforts ultimately couldn't will the team to get it done against the past two opponents.  Pick up the fallen crown,  and destroy the Lions this weekend.  

Can't wait until Sunday.

Your This is Your Shot.

Edited December 17, 2022 by Dunnie

[SoFlaJets]

I sure hope Zach plays at least as good and as gutsy as Mike White because if he continues where he left off it's not gonna be pretty and if the Jets DON'T win Sunday Thursday night on National TV is going to be one for the ages. Go Zachey baby Go!

[Creepy Lurker]

14 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

"could take longer than 3 weeks"

gee, ya think?

It would take a lifetime and then being reincarnated into someone that could maybe play QB. 

[Creepy Lurker]

7 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

I decided to wait until the flurry had past to post my full support of Zach Wilson this weekend.  Lets go kid ... would have preferred that you stay inactive until camp to get the best reset possible.  But the football gods have brought you back from the dead early.   Lets go !!! Use your head, try to stay mechanically sound, no hero ball, make good reads ... win the damn game.   Mr. White filled in admirably and showed you have to lead by example, sacrificing his brittle body in an attempt to beat the beasts of the North ... but despite his valiant efforts ultimately couldn't will the team to get it done against the past two opponents.  Pick up the fallen crown,  and destroy the Lions this weekend.  

Can't wait until Sunday.

As much as I DESPISE Zach Wilson, this does not count as a reset and was too soon. Even if he fails miserably, it’s only fair that the coaching staff gives him a fair shot to take time and reset throughout the offseason and training camp. It may just be best to move on from him (which is what I hope). 3 weeks won’t fix his issues and it’s not fair at all to expect him to play well. 

[Blue Print]

12 hours ago, kevinc855 said:

2 Seasons from Wilson, 2 stretches of missed time. 

it seems we have Qb's made of paper on this roster

Either that or our o-line sucks.

I’d go with the latter.

[the Claw]

Lol, this ******* team.

[Dcronin]

That is an automatic loss in my book. He'll be rusty, and trying to look loose, so probably, slinging the ball around the field for incompletions and picks. I feel bad for the guy, it's been a rough trip, but the guy we saw against Tennessee is for some reason no more.

Automatic loss. Unwinnable game against a surging Lions team with baby blondie behind center.

[Dcronin]

4 hours ago, Be_a_Jet said:

Zach is the Adam Gase of QBs 

 

can’t wait till he’s gone 

I agree. He's frustrating and a head scratcher. You just can't grasp, at first, how bad he is.

[Greenseed4]

14 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

 

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

2 hours ago, Creepy Lurker said:

It would take a lifetime and then being reincarnated into someone that could maybe play QB. 

LMAO watch this

Dude was “tested” by Coastal.  The crucible that prepares you for the NFL.

 

[jgb]

7 hours ago, 65 Toss Power Trap said:

So, if MLF can keep it simple, the offense should be okay. Run the ball . . . a lot.

So do what a journeyman could do for like 15% of the cost without any draft picks to acquire.

That’s a high bar.

[C Mart]

Via The Athletic:

Saleh called White the “ultimate warrior” for how hard he was working to get cleared for Sunday. The Jets coach said the team could’ve taken it up until game time Sunday but instead opted to name Wilson the starter Friday to protect White “from himself.” The Jets have a quick turnaround to their next game on Dec. 22 against the Jaguars (a Thursday night game) so it will be difficult to get White cleared in time for that game, too.

White is scheduled for scans on Monday.

“It’s the bone so there’s only so much we can do,” White said.

He called the injury a fracture. He’s not feeling anything but “general soreness,” but doctors felt there was too big of a risk to expose his ribs to contact.

“There are a couple in a row (fractured) that makes that area a little vulnerable,” said White, who then explained that this rib injury is different than ones other quarterbacks have played through (like Justin Herbert earlier this season) because White’s injury involves the bone, whereas those QBs typically were dealing with bruised cartilage around the ribs.

For that injury, it’s “just general pain management,” White said. “This is different because it’s bone, so you can’t do much about that …

“It’s just going to depend on how my bones heal,” he added. “So I’m going to get a scan (on Monday), hopefully they’re good enough to go and if it was just about pain management, I’m going to play. Unfortunately, it’s not. Physically, I feel like I can play. Internally, my bones say otherwise.”

[JiFtheOracle]

10 minutes ago, C Mart said:

Via The Athletic:

Saleh called White the “ultimate warrior” for how hard he was working to get cleared for Sunday. The Jets coach said the team could’ve taken it up until game time Sunday but instead opted to name Wilson the starter Friday to protect White “from himself.” The Jets have a quick turnaround to their next game on Dec. 22 against the Jaguars (a Thursday night game) so it will be difficult to get White cleared in time for that game, too.

White is scheduled for scans on Monday.

“It’s the bone so there’s only so much we can do,” White said.

He called the injury a fracture. He’s not feeling anything but “general soreness,” but doctors felt there was too big of a risk to expose his ribs to contact.

“There are a couple in a row (fractured) that makes that area a little vulnerable,” said White, who then explained that this rib injury is different than ones other quarterbacks have played through (like Justin Herbert earlier this season) because White’s injury involves the bone, whereas those QBs typically were dealing with bruised cartilage around the ribs.

For that injury, it’s “just general pain management,” White said. “This is different because it’s bone, so you can’t do much about that …

“It’s just going to depend on how my bones heal,” he added. “So I’m going to get a scan (on Monday), hopefully they’re good enough to go and if it was just about pain management, I’m going to play. Unfortunately, it’s not. Physically, I feel like I can play. Internally, my bones say otherwise.”

Out for the year if it's bone.  

It was nice knowing you Mike!  Thanks for the fun times!  

[Biggs]

14 hours ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

I get all this.  The last thing I'd want to see is Mike White debilitated or worse.

But my personal opinion is, provided MW has been given complete and accurate medical info and it's not a life-threatening situation, it should be up to Mike White to decide whether he wants to play.  He's an adult.

In football, there is obvious risk of serious injury for any player any time regardless.

An adult with insufficient medical advise to make an informed adult decision.

[TBJ]

NFL betting: With Zach Wilson now starting, Jets go from favorites to underdogs

https://malaysia.news.yahoo.com/nfl-betting-with-zach-wilson-now-starting-jets-go-from-favorites-to-underdogs-173552905.html

[The Crusher]

2 hours ago, jgb said:

So do what a journeyman could do better for like 15% of the cost without any draft picks to acquire.

That’s a high bar.

I got that fixed for you. 

[The Crusher]

10 minutes ago, TBJ said:

NFL betting: With Zach Wilson now starting, Jets go from favorites to underdogs

https://malaysia.news.yahoo.com/nfl-betting-with-zach-wilson-now-starting-jets-go-from-favorites-to-underdogs-173552905.html

Yeah but that’s only because Zach isn’t very good, at all. 

[Charlie Brown]

8 hours ago, jvill 51 said:

Vick wasn’t ruled out until later on in the week for any of the games he missed with broken ribs in 2011.

As for White, it’s clear from hearing both him and Saleh talk today that there was a bit of gamesmanship and also an attempt to allow White to try and find a doctor that would clear him. Again, this theory that the edict came down from on high just today doesn’t fit, at all, with the now hopefully accepted fact that Mike White consulted with multiple outside doctors who also would not clear him to play. If the plan was for him to play, and he and Saleh were blindsided by JD/Woody, then why was White spending the week visiting doctors? Why do these outside doctors also not think he should play? Why is White/his agent/“anonymous sources” not blowing the whistle when there is tens of millions of dollars on the line?

And, this part is certainly debatable, but I’ll just add that yeah it’s definitely a mark against JD if Zach doesn’t pan out (which is highly likely). But the talent he’s added to this team outside of Zach is abundantly clear, Mike White has been highlighting it even more, and there is no chance he’s getting fired this year even if he does move on from Zach. If Mike White could play, he gives the Jets the best chance to win, and the Jets making the playoffs or at least playing well down the stretch would do way more for Joe D’s job security than turning back to Zach and potentially blowing the whole thing and Zach continuing to look awful. So leaving aside that the facts just don’t add up, I think there’s at least a reasonable debate that the alleged motive doesn’t make a ton of sense either.

This is 100% correct!

Thank you!

[SickJetFan]

I was a Bryce Petty fanatic I hate to admit.  I had it bad man, watched all his interviews, scanned practice reports, watched tape, blah, blah, blah...it was bad.  Man I thought he was going to be good and Jets luck out with 4th rounder for once.  He showed flashes and I was so pissed Bowels wouldn't play him.  Even after he did finally play him I didn't think he got a fair shot because the WRs, OL, whatever...His shot didn't last long and before I knew it he was on the Eagles? I think.  He finally got a real shot there and he bombed and went out of the league.  I had closure.  The end.

[southparkcpa]

9 hours ago, jvill 51 said:

Vick wasn’t ruled out until later on in the week for any of the games he missed with broken ribs in 2011.

If Mike White could play, he gives the Jets the best chance to win, and the Jets making the playoffs or at least playing well down the stretch would do way more for Joe D’s job security than turning back to Zach and potentially blowing the whole thing and Zach continuing to look awful. So leaving aside that the facts just don’t add up, I think there’s at least a reasonable debate that the alleged motive doesn’t make a ton of sense either.

JD's job security is pretty secure for at least 2 years I imagine.  The 2022 draft alone I believe does that and some of his free agency dealings. BUT if Zach busts, 2021 looks average at best/shaky and 2020 don't get me started.  The fact that the last 10 years we haven't been able to develop a QB is frustrating.   A near playoff team this year juggling 3 QB's, each of whom couldn't start on at least 12 NFL teams. The unknown at QB will last into the off season and well, simply frustrating. 

[southparkcpa]

4 minutes ago, SickJetFan said:

I was a Bryce Petty fanatic I hate to admit.  I had it bad man, watched all his interviews, scanned practice reports, watched tape, blah, blah, blah...it was bad.  Man I thought he was going to be good and Jets luck out with 4th rounder for once.  He showed flashes and I was so pissed Bowels wouldn't play him.  Even after he did finally play him I didn't think he got a fair shot because the WRs, OL, whatever...His shot didn't last long and before I knew it he was on the Eagles? I think.  He finally got a real shot there and he bombed and went out of the league.  I had closure.  The end.

The Daniel Ratliffe of your generation.

 

[JoJoTownsell1]

35 minutes ago, TBJ said:

NFL betting: With Zach Wilson now starting, Jets go from favorites to underdogs

https://malaysia.news.yahoo.com/nfl-betting-with-zach-wilson-now-starting-jets-go-from-favorites-to-underdogs-173552905.html

Great story, except jets were -1 at Caesarrs before the switch went to +1 immediately after and are now back to -1..

So the line is the same with white and Wilson. I guess that tells you there isn't a difference between the two..... 

 

[Supersonic]

Most people in this forum are predicting Zach will sh!t the bed on Sunday.  Not I.  I believe he's gonna destroy the Lions.  I think he's been humbled, now knowing he can truly lose his job.  And I'm sure he's well aware this game is an absolute turning point in his future.  The pressure on him to perform is greater than ever, and I believe he will meet that challenge.  Why?  He now has nothing to lose.  He won't be the same ol' puppet following Lafleur's sh!tty plays off a cliff, he will now be improvising and owning his own destiny.

He's certainly evaluated his previous play in preparation of his big day, and I'm sure he's learned a few things about himself.  The biggest change I expect to see in Zach is him stepping up in the pocket.  I believe he has now realized that once he starts scrambling (too soon and unnecessarily), and takes his eyes off the field, it's nearly impossible to re-engage (successfully).  

One thing I know for sure about Zach is he's a competitor who desperately wants to win.  And in that regard, I just can't see him going out there and playing his same old game.

 I could easily be very wrong about this, but I choose hope and prefer to focus on success rather than doom and gloom.  Good luck Zach.  LGJ!!

 

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Great story, except jets were -1 at Caesarrs before the switch went to +1 immediately after and are now back to -1..

So the line is the same with white and Wilson. I guess that tells you there isn't a difference between the two..... 

 

It dove to Lions -2.5 right away then corrected

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, Supersonic said:

He won't be the same ol' puppet following Lafleur's sh!tty plays off a cliff, he will now be improvising and owning his own destiny.

[T0mShane]

3 minutes ago, Supersonic said:

One thing I know for sure about Zach is he's a competitor who desperately wants to win.