This is not on Zach.

[Grandy]

I do think we have to change our scheme if White is out though. We consistently found success on rollouts. Do those. 

Wilson did good when just chucking it, but bad intermediate. Do more chucking.

It's clear Wilson does not fit this scheme like White, and although that's probably his issue we just have to adapt to his strengths if he's gonna play. Also if he makes a mistake stop hiding him because that might be a reason behind why he shells up when he makes a mistake. 

[Ron Rico]

Just now, LSJF said:

That’s OK, Zach socks in your mind, and that’s all that matters… Like I can give a crap who’s playing quarterback

Sexy Sadie, how did you know?
The world was waiting just for you
The world was waiting just for you!

[T0mShane]

3 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

I felt like he was doing a good job staying in the pocket today but it was weirdly enough not the game to be hanging out in the pocket.

It felt like he consciously wanted to stay in the pocket to emulate White, but didn’t really know what to do when he was in it. That life is not for everyone.

[DireJet]

Mike White better. He hangs 30 on that terrible Lions defense. And he does it efficiently. Broken ribs and all. 

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

4 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Yeah, just based on arm talent, Wilson is elite. It’s just that he has no instincts for passing the ball to receivers in motion. In the yon olden days, the axiom was, “he’s a thrower, not a passer.”

He has one of the quicker releases you’ll see

But does that even matter when everything else is off kilter?

He also takes forever to decide what to do with the ball, which sort of negates the quick release in many instances 

[TNJet]

3 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I don’t care. I care that we lost.

Everything will be fine as NE backs into the playoffs as a lesser talented team than us...

[LSJF]

1 minute ago, Coquito said:

Sexy Sadie, how did you know?
The world was waiting just for you
The world was waiting just for you!

Damn, big Beatles fan here… Now it’s in my head… Lol

[RoadFan]

Braden Mann needs to be fired…

[DireJet]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

It felt like he consciously wanted to stay in the pocket to emulate White, but didn’t really know what to do when he was in it. That life is not for everyone.

Lions defense was super bad. ZW couldn’t even crack 20 points vs them. At home. Cushiest of spots. It’s not good. 

[TNJet]

Just now, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

He has one of the quicker releases you’ll see

But does that even matter when everything else is off kilter?

He also takes forever to decide what to do with the ball, which sort of negates the quick release in many instances 

With the release of Joe Namath, the accuracy of Christian Hackenberg, and the attitude of Ryan Leaf I'm at a loss for complements to this kid. Sorry!

[Grandy]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Low key, we’re seeing Saleh get exposed down the stretch. I know we don’t want to talk about it, but there are a lot of coaching issues popping up that are choking the team out. 

I think some of these issues aren't on Saleh, but the clock management at the end of the game was really bad. 

[Paradis]

4 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Low key, we’re seeing Saleh get exposed down the stretch. I know we don’t want to talk about it, but there are a lot of coaching issues popping up that are choking the team out. 

Ehh not enough to be rethinking the throne. He is only 2 years young in the role and organizationally I can get behind a lot of the strategy thus far. Being cornered like a rat by a broomstick with injuries and putrid QB play will expose most. 

needs to be given opportunities to learn from his own shortcomings. The alternatives at HC have been mostly underwhelming 

[SR24]

315 2tds and 1 int is enough to win. Coaching staff pissed this game away. Saleh can’t manage the clock, MLF is a terrible play caller, Berrios can’t do anything this year, Mann is horrendous and Zach can’t make simple throws. What a sh*t show. They only moved the ball when Zach was outside the pocket yet MLF keeps trying to keep him in the pocket 

[TNJet]

1 minute ago, RoadFan said:

Braden Mann needs to be fired…

Never thought i'd say I miss Lach Edwards but I really do. Thought that during the game.

[Ron Rico]

Just now, LSJF said:

Damn, big Beatles fan here… Now it’s in my head… Lol

A high school friend of mine was pen pals with all the incarcerated Manson chicks. One day out of the blue he offered all the correspondence to me. 

Hard pass. 

[xJayce]

26 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Of course it's not on Zach.

Zach has them in a position to win the game.

Defense, 2:00 warning with a 4 point lead.  All the D had to do was not let up a TD and the Jets win. 

Then put the team in FG range at the end of the game.

Blaming Wilson is so incredibly agenda driven that people really aren't watching football.

Look, QB's need to win games - but this vital that he was the reason they lost is absurd on its face..

It's partly on Zach. He's very inconsistent.

Let's flip the script for a minute. The Jets are at their 35 yard line with 3 TOs with 2 minutes left and down by 4. Great opportunity for your QB to come in and do his thing...

In 9 passing plays, he gets

• 2 sacks (- 17 yards)
• 4 incompletions
• 3 completions (55 yards)

He was able to generate a net of 38 yards, or 4.2 yards per passing play (not an official stat). That's simply not good enough. The Berrios miss was HUGE... He was running BEHIND THE SECONDARY...

The good news is that his playmakers did get a chance to make plays on a series of very meh passes.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

4 minutes ago, DireJet said:

Mike White better. He hangs 30 on that terrible Lions defense. And he does it efficiently. Broken ribs and all. 

Jets could have gotten creative if they wanted to

a flak jacket underneath some modified form of a bulletproof vest and throw him out there ?

But they were dying to get Wilson back on the field for the first chapter of his redemption story 

[Augustiniak]

Just now, SR24 said:

315 2tds and 1 int is enough to win. Coaching staff pissed this game away. Saleh can’t manage the clock, MLF is a terrible play caller, Berrios can’t do anything this year, Mann is horrendous and Zach can’t make simple throws. What a sh*t show. They only moved the ball when Zach was outside the pocket yet MLF keeps trying to keep him in the pocket 

Even Charles davis was saying they needed to move him out of the pocket.  

[jago]

zach needs to go back to the shop over the offseason for a complete retooling. its his only shot. if he cant win out in TC its done. forget this year. get mw back in asap.

[GreenFish]

6 minutes ago, Grandy said:

I do think we have to change our scheme if White is out though. We consistently found success on rollouts. Do those. 

Wilson did good when just chucking it, but bad intermediate. Do more chucking.

It's clear Wilson does not fit this scheme like White, and although that's probably his issue we just have to adapt to his strengths if he's gonna play. Also if he makes a mistake stop hiding him because that might be a reason behind why he shells up when he makes a mistake. 

Chunking it worked out this game but that’s not sustainable. 50/50 balls can go the other way. We saw that earlier this season.

[LSJF]

2 minutes ago, Coquito said:

A high school friend of mine was pen pals with all the incarcerated Manson chicks. One day out of the blue he offered all the correspondence to me. 

Hard pass. 

Agree, psycho chicks

[xJayce]

31 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

Zach got them within field goal range ... The Leg finally.missed one.

Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
 

It's a bit unfortunate for the Leg as he's been great this season.

That being said, a FG, at best, ties the game. Then we're in a whole realm of hypotheticals as to what happens next.

Zach missed an opportunity to do some serious damage with Berrios. And then he missed a bunch more on the last drive. If he was able to hit them, we're looking at a closer FG, or even a TD.

[BurntDice]

50 minutes ago, PS17 said:

He played a C game at best. It’s partially on him. We win this game with White.

Mike white vs the trash Vikings game 54 completion % 0 tds. What is with this Mike White obsession? It’s insane. 

[DireJet]

3 minutes ago, SR24 said:

315 2tds and 1 int is enough to win. Coaching staff pissed this game away. Saleh can’t manage the clock, MLF is a terrible play caller, Berrios can’t do anything this year, Mann is horrendous and Zach can’t make simple throws. What a sh*t show. They only moved the ball when Zach was outside the pocket yet MLF keeps trying to keep him in the pocket 

17 points vs a team that has a bad defense and plays high-scoring games is not enough. 

[FidelioJet]

1 minute ago, xJayce said:

It's partly on Zach. He's very inconsistent.

Let's flip the script for a minute. The Jets are at their 35 yard line with 3 TOs with 2 minutes left and down by 4. Great opportunity for your QB to come in and do his thing...

In 9 passing plays, he gets

• 2 sacks (- 17 yards)
• 4 incompletions
• 3 completions (55 yards)

He was able to generate a net of 38 yards, or 4.2 yards per passing play (not an official stat). That's simply not good enough. The Berrios miss was HUGE... He was running BEHIND THE SECONDARY...

The good news is that his playmakers did get a chance to make plays on a series of very meh passes.

He wasn't great today.  I don't see anyone making that claim..but there are many claiming he was the sole reason they lost and he was terrible.  He was not.

He wasn't terrible, he wasn't the sole reason they lost.  He had stretches where he struggles to complete a pass - it worrisome (he tends to do that and it needs to be fixed) but he also made key plays when it mattered and gave the team a chance to win.

You what to tell me - what he showed today doesn't make me confident he can play well from the pocket and be our QB of the future.  I won't argue that point.  He continues a disturbing trend of have full quarters where he completely breaks down.

But we're talking about this game, not his body of work or his future prospects.

He was good when he needed to be today.  315 yards, two TD's, gave them a 4 point lead late in the 4th and then when the D couldn't hold on - he put them in FG range with seconds on the clock. 

Telling me he was terrible today is beyond absurd.

[SR24]

Just now, DireJet said:

17 points vs a team that has a bad defense and plays high-scoring games is not enough. 

Maybe we should have a conversation with the offensive coordinator about this thing called the run game that he has seemingly forgotten. Maybe we can ask him why he’s constantly putting our second year quarterback in 3rd and long situations with his in ability to call good place on first and second down? I’d love to know how Braxton keeps getting reps and would love to find out why he’s playing out wide. 

 

[DireJet]

Just now, SR24 said:

Maybe we should have a conversation with the offensive coordinator about this thing called the run game that he has seemingly forgotten. Maybe we can ask him why he’s constantly putting our second year quarterback in 3rd and long situations with his in ability to call good place on first and second down? I’d love to know how Braxton keeps getting reps and would love to find out why he’s playing out wide. 

 

Run game was shutdown. Zach looked good in spots but he’s still making routine plays way too difficult. It’s the exact reason he was benched. Lions are Bears-esque on defense. He should have cooked them. 

[Integrity28]

28 minutes ago, JiFields said:

Definitely not on Zach but 17 points is unacceptable. 

 

28 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

It’s on Zach. 

 

27 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

This.  You are seeing what it would have looked like had Hackenberg started NFL football games.

I concur.

He looks lost. The first Uzomah TD was nice, totally backyard sh*t, good on Zach to get the ball there. The second TD was a layup that I honestly thought he’d miss.

The game was rife with bad throws. Worse throws than the ones that the MW critics have singled out the last 3 weeks. Some exciting chunk plays here and there is not a playoff caliber offense.

That all being said, today was a complete team meltdown not much different than the last 3 losses. The defense is getting warts. Specials haz allowed the only 2 PRTDs this year, I think. The offense is trash, aside from GW who bails us out weekly.

[Larz]

I didn’t see the first half and was at a Christmas party but what I did see was the usual, a guy with great agility and quickness, a live laser rocket arm missing too many open guys because of bad feet. My son knows to step to the target and aim your left foot where you want the ball to go. 
the 2 misses on the final drive all he had to do was put appropriate air under and give his guy a chance to fight for it. 
 

I wouldn’t cut him or trade him but the 2023 job is up for grabs if I’m the coach 

[SR24]

1 minute ago, DireJet said:

Run game was shutdown. Zach looked good in spots but he’s still making routine plays way too difficult. It’s the exact reason he was benched. Lions are Bears-esque on defense. He should have cooked them. 

Oh please the run game has been shut down for the last month. ZW isn’t the reason we lost today 

[Grandy]

3 minutes ago, SR24 said:

Maybe we should have a conversation with the offensive coordinator about this thing called the run game that he has seemingly forgotten. Maybe we can ask him why he’s constantly putting our second year quarterback in 3rd and long situations with his in ability to call good place on first and second down? I’d love to know how Braxton keeps getting reps and would love to find out why he’s playing out wide. 

 

You see, we faced a lot of 3rd and longs this game because the run simply wasn't working. It wasn't forgotten, it was shelved because it sucked. 

[Augustiniak]

1 minute ago, Integrity28 said:

 

 

I concur.

He looks lost. The first Uzomah TD was nice, totally backyard sh*t, good on Zach to get the ball there. The second TD was a layup that I honestly thought he’d miss.

The game was rife with bad throws. Worse throws than the ones that the MW critics have singled out the last 3 weeks. Some exciting chunk plays here and there is not a playoff caliber offense.

That all being said, today was a complete team meltdown not much different than the last 3 losses. The defense is getting warts. Specials haz allowed the only 2 PRTDs this year, I think. The offense is trash, aside from GW who bails us out weekly.

Injuries have destroyed the run game regardless of who the qb is.  The d is a classic bend but don’t break with slow LBs and few turnovers.  I doubt white finishes this game today with this OL. 

[xJayce]

29 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Are you talking about his career or game today?

If you're taking about games - NFL games are like this - QB's are up and down through games.  Was Zach great today, of course not.  after the INT he fell apart again...but he found his footing again when it mattered.

When did he find his footing again? He was pretty bad for pretty much all the 2nd half... He finished the first half at 8/14 with 170 yards? He finished the game 18/35 for 315? That means in the 2nd half, he went 10/21 for 145 yards? Sub 50% completion is simply not good enough by NFL standard. Hell, sub 60% is not good enough.

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Did Zach do enough to win the game? absolutely.   He had the team in a position to win - D needed a stop. 

The D gave up 13 points today against the 5th best scoring team in the league. Yes, they were rough on that last drive, but the Jets then had 2 minutes to go 65 yards for the win. And Zach, on the last drive, was 3/7 (and missed an open receiver running down behind the secondary).
 

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Zach, made the plays he needed to make when he needed to make them.  that's just the realty.

We will have to disagree here. If your expectation is that a QB that plays for 50% accuracy, missing guys all game, and hoping your D holds other teams to 14 pts is 'good enough', you're setting yourself up for disappointment.

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So I say, could he have been better - for sure.  What he "the reason they lost" absolutely not.

He was part of the reason they lost. His play was sub par of the most of the game.
 

[JoJoTownsell1]

11 minutes ago, DireJet said:

Mike White better. He hangs 30 on that terrible Lions defense. And he does it efficiently. Broken ribs and all. 

Mike White hangs 30 on the vikings horrible defense if he was as good as some of you have convinced yourself he is. 

 

 

[JackSquat]

11 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

Jets could have gotten creative if they wanted to

a flak jacket underneath some modified form of a bulletproof vest and throw him out there ?

But they were dying to get Wilson back on the field for the first chapter of his redemption story 

If MW started this game, he would have left in a casket.