This is not on Zach.

[Barry McCockinner]

1 hour ago, Peteo said:

The game winning TD was squarely on the D.

The lions have averaged 30 ppg over the last 5 games. The jets defense without their best player gave up 13 even when one drive started on the 15 yard line due to an atrocious interception.

Don't you dare blame this on the defense.

[RutgersJetFan]

1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Absolutely.  And a few weeks ago you were in the "Zach's fine, we're 5-2" camp, too.

Take your L.  

I really have no idea what happened to you but I never said any of those things. I praised the benching and said they should stick with White. 

[Augustiniak]

Just now, SR24 said:

It should be enough to win but can’t be when you’re getting 38 rushing yards from the other part of your offense.  Averaged less than 10 rushing yds a quarter cmon man ???

It’s a one dimensional offense regardless of who the qb is now.  The OL won’t get any better this season either.  Q is critical to anything the defense does.  The talent on the field is very meh right now. 

[Jetsfan80]

58 minutes ago, xJayce said:

So wait, the D gave up 13 points today, against a team that scores, on average 25, and they sucked?

Sure, the last drive was terrible, but they did their part.

For real.  These posts read exactly like JN circa 2009-10 in defense of Mark Sanchez.

[T0mShane]

1 hour ago, Untouchable said:

I love all of this Zach Wilson vs Mike White discussion as if either of these f*cking guys is going to be our starter next year.

If Douglas doesn’t do whatever is necessary to land a proven, at least solid QB in the offseason…then he’s a smoothbrain.

You have the pieces on defense, you have the young talent at the skill positions.

If he decides to roll with either of these dicks behind center instead of upgrading then he and Saleh can both kick rocks.

You just can’t give $35+ mil to Derek Carr, though. It’s purgatory. They should stay cheap at QB for 2023 and try again in 2024 if need be

[Jetsfan80]

58 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

You give any BCS level starting QB enough snaps, they’ll eventually produce a handful of impressive throws. Playing QB in the NFL is about stringing together a bunch of those impressive throws on any given drive. Zach fans are reduced to paring down every game to two or three completions that they deem to be good, but are forced to ignore the 70%(?) of snaps that are absurd misfires. You cannot build an offense around that. 

Or even just get the boring throws down.  F**kstick can't even complete a simple screen pass.

[bitonti]

1 minute ago, Coquito said:

I know I already posted this, maybe not in this thread, but Zach had one good series. 

That aint getting it.

Zach Wilson had several amazing off schedule throws like the last one to Moore but it's like an adventure everytime he drops back 

He had an ugly pick start of the 3q (which led to a Det FG in a game they lose by 3) and an almost ugly duck pick that Michael Carter bailed him out on. He had below average accuracy on several easy throws, and an intentional grounding 

The people who say this game is not on Zach are starting at that conclusion and working backward from there 

[Jetsfan80]

52 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

What does this even mean ?

Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
 

That Zach Wilson's factory reset accomplished nothing?

[RutgersJetFan]

7 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I can’t listen to this. Mike White had the team within one score of beating the Vikings and Bills on the road and all I heard was “welp, 1 and 2.” Now you want to make excuses for Zach Wilson—who put up the same statustical performance as a JUGS machine would—and it’s “ah, he’s one or two plays away.”

What excuses? I don't really understand why it's so wrong to point out that White never had the team in the lead at any point in either of those games and Wilson put the team in a position to win and tie. White's a better QB, but neither seem to impact wins that much so who cares.

[Jetsfan80]

3 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

I really have no idea what happened to you but I never said any of those things. I praised the benching and said they should stick with White. 

Don't make me go through your post history.

[Rangers1]

It shouldn’t have come down to a last second 90 yard field goal (exaggeration I know)

plenty of time in the second half to have done something. This was a total team loss.

coaching staff, QB, oline and defensive lapse. Not defending Wilson at all. Time to cut bait

[FidelioJet]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

I can’t listen to this. Mike White had the team within one score of beating the Vikings and Bills on the road and all I heard was “welp, 1 and 2.” Now you want to make excuses for Zach Wilson—who put up the same statustical performance as a JUGS machine would—and it’s “ah, he’s one or two plays away.”

No excuses.  I NEVER once said the loss was all on Mike White.  I agreed he played well, but had some lapses.  What I objected to was that he should't take any responsibility.

You guys want it all one way.  

Mike White is perfect, he did nothing wrong and it was everyone else but him.  

Zach Wilson is terrible, he did everything wrong and it was no one else but him.

All I'm calling for is to accept reality.  

Mike White is 1-2 as the starter - he played fine, gave his team a chance to win but didn't close it out.  And they lost.  And as the QB he needs to take some responsibility 

Zach lost today - he played fine today, gave his team a chance to win but didn't close it out.  And they lost.  As the QB he needs to to take some responsibility.

 

[RutgersJetFan]

2 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Zach Wilson had several amazing off schedule throws like the last one to Moore but it's like an adventure everytime he drops back 

He had an ugly pick start of the 3q (which led to a Det FG in a game they lose by 3) and an almost ugly duck pick that Michael Carter bailed him out on. He had below average accuracy on several easy throws, and an intentional grounding 

The people who say this game is not on Zach are starting at that conclusion and working backward from there 

The loss isn't on the backup QB who wasn't even allowed to dress the previous 3 weeks, especially if the team was up with under 2 minutes to go. 

[Augustiniak]

Just now, RutgersJetFan said:

What excuses? I don't really understand why it's so wrong to point out that White never had the team in the lead at any point and Wilson put the team in a position to win and tie. White's a better QB, but neither seem to impact wins that much so who cares.

There are certain things about the team that are true regardless of who the qb is - the d is not getting turnovers, there’s no running game, and special teams is sucking.  The problem so many have with wilson today is they’re pointing out every bad thing he did as the reason why they lost but switching qbs doesn’t sovle these other problems.  Plus with white you have an immobile qb who would probably not have finished the game today bc the OL would have got him killed again.  

[xJayce]

23 minutes ago, DireJet said:

Yah he had Berrios (our deep threat guy now? LOL!) for a TD on the final drive. Badly missed. 

Here's the thing... If you can scheme a guy open because the D doesn't expect it, more power to you! 

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

Raiders have a nice lead on NE, 17-3

Everything else is breaking right, except the Jets couldn’t take care of business  ?

 

[RedBeardedSavage]

6 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Zach Wilson had several amazing off schedule throws like the last one to Moore but it's like an adventure everytime he drops back 

He had an ugly pick start of the 3q (which led to a Det FG in a game they lose by 3) and an almost ugly duck pick that Michael Carter bailed him out on. He had below average accuracy on several easy throws, and an intentional grounding 

The people who say this game is not on Zach are starting at that conclusion and working backward from there 

Against one of the worst defenses in the NFL.

Mike White is better.

The punt return TD and Zach Wilson holding on to the ball too long + missing receivers are the reasons we lost.

[jgb]

He did better than I expected honestly. I might be one of the only people positively surprised by the QB tonight lol.

Still won’t be a FQB IMHO and he got away with some egregious underthrows but even though Detroit’s defense is no bueno, he did move the ball and gave us a chance in the end.

Before we are mathematically eliminated, play the healthy guys that give us the best chance to win. But if/when we are eliminated, definitely have him play out the string. Decisions must be made.

[Vader]

2 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

What excuses? I don't really understand why it's so wrong to point out that White never had the team in the lead at any point in either of those games and Wilson put the team in a position to win and tie. White's a better QB, but neither seem to impact wins that much so who cares.

I agree. Wilson had several throws that White just can not make and he had two TDs also, one in clutch time. Both QBs are pretty raw but they are just so different. The each do things to make the offense really interesting in different ways and both have drawbacks that likewise limit the offense. Both have high positives AND high negatives. 

[Jetsfan80]

15 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Absolutely.  And a few weeks ago you were in the "Zach's fine, we're 5-2" camp, too.

Take your L.  

 

10 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

I really have no idea what happened to you but I never said any of those things. I praised the benching and said they should stick with White. 

 

From the now-locked "Zach Wilson sucks" thread:

 

[Sonny Werblin]

2 improvements i saw from zach.

1) after mistakes and bad plays he didn’t fall into his previous pattern of playing afraid to make a mistake;

2) seemed a lit more mature and self aware in post game presser.

baby steps. The kid is still miles from nowhere, but unlike Cat Stevens, when zach looks up at the mountain he has to climb he can’t take his time to reach there.

[RutgersJetFan]

2 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

There are certain things about the team that are true regardless of who the qb is - the d is not getting turnovers, there’s no running game, and special teams is sucking.  The problem so many have with wilson today is they’re pointing out every bad thing he did as the reason why they lost but switching qbs doesn’t sovle these other problems.  Plus with white you have an immobile qb who would probably not have finished the game today bc the OL would have got him killed again.  

Wilson stinks. Everyone knows this. Winning today wouldn't have changed that opinion at all. But if the guy puts the team in the lead with the end in sight, why is the loss on him? Wasn't the team winning in spite of him? So now all of a sudden the loss that resulted from blown coverage is now on him, but none of the wins are? Defense completely botched it.

[xJayce]

14 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

He's had 7 good quarters, at most, in 32 quarters of play this season.  

7 actually sounds high... 

[Zachtomims47]

9 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

You just can’t give $35+ mil to Derek Carr, though. It’s purgatory. They should stay cheap at QB for 2023 and try again in 2024 if need be

2024 will be the start of our new rebuild! We can’t wait!

[RutgersJetFan]

1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

 

From the now-locked "Zach Wilson sucks" thread:

Wow. You really got me with that "Wilson did not look good at all" quote. Nice job Sherlock. 

[SR24]

Why isn’t anyone talking about CJ Mosley costing us with another huge mental error?? He just left his guy and ran to the wrong flat?? 

[jgb]

1 minute ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Wilson stinks. Everyone knows this. Winning today wouldn't have changed that opinion at all. But if the guy puts the team in the lead with the end in sight, why is the loss on him? Wasn't the team winning in spite of him? So now all of a sudden the loss that resulted from blown coverage is now on him, but none of the wins are? Defense completely botched it.

The D did hold one of the hottest offenses in the league to 20…. 

[jgb]

1 minute ago, Zachtomims47 said:

2024 will be the start of our new rebuild! We can’t wait!

[Zachtomims47]

1 minute ago, Sonny Werblin said:

2 improvements i saw from zach.

1) after mistakes and bad plays he didn’t fall into his previous pattern of playing afraid to make a mistake;

2) seemed a lit more mature and self aware in post game presser.

baby steps. The kid is still miles from nowhere, but unlike Cat Stevens, when zach looks up at the mountain he has to climb he can’t take his time to reach there.

Fact that he’s still missing wide open throws by a mile, with a clean pocket is back breaking. When the gimmes are there you have to make them. He shouldn’t be struggling 3.5 quarters at this point. 

[Jetsfan80]

  

On 11/6/2022 at 4:49 PM, RutgersJetFan said:

I actually don't think he played a ton better today and I mean that in a good way. He's been playing a conservative game focused on not turning the ball over all year and today he had his best game within that spectrum, but it's right within where he's been most of this year. When he doesn't do the thing where he runs 20 yards backwards 2-3 times a game this is how he's played a lot this year. Team's 5-1 with him for a reason.

He did run a bit more today and that's a good thing.

 

[LSJF]

20 minutes ago, JetPotato said:

Go check in with your parents. Your Kraft Mac and cheese is almost ready.

I just ripped a loud gassy one in your honor… how’s that french fry?

[Untouchable]

13 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

You just can’t give $35+ mil to Derek Carr, though. It’s purgatory. They should stay cheap at QB for 2023 and try again in 2024 if need be

Carr is probably one of my least favorite of the options that could be available, but I think they have to make a legitimate move by March/April.

I know many will probably e-kick me in the balls for saying it, but I would honestly prefer Rodgers/Brady in the short term with a mid-round rookie to develop behind them.

We haven’t made the playoffs in 12 years now. Something’s gotta give.

JD and Saleh have to notice that the team has pretty much everything they need to make a run besides a reliable option at the most important position of them all.

[xJayce]

14 minutes ago, SR24 said:

It should be enough to win but can’t be when you’re getting 38 rushing yards from the other part of your offense.  Averaged less than 10 rushing yds a quarter cmon man ???

Yeah, it's pretty bad. There are plenty of games where QBs get more yards as when playing from behind. Getting 300+ yards is almost a bad sign in the NFL now...  

There's another stat. The Jets were like 5-1 when they had over 90 yards rushing, and 0-5 when they had less than 90 yards rushing. I think that's backwards. When they're losing, they rush less. The less rushing yards is not the reason for losing.

And if the D gets a couple turnovers, you can win a game by 2 TDs and only have 225 yards passing.

 

[RutgersJetFan]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

  

 

So, let me just cut you off here: These are observations from games. Keep going and you'll find posts where I praised the benching and said the Jets should stick with White for the season. If decontextualizing the minutiae of posts to soapbox some sort of hyperbolic superiority you're constantly looking to establish with people you're a lot more eloquent when you try to lecture everyone about porn and crappy rock bands. 

[Jetsfan80]

  

On 11/20/2022 at 7:18 PM, shuler82 said:

You’re better than this. Zach is holding this team back. Emotions run high after the 12 year sh*t show we all just sat through 

  

On 11/20/2022 at 7:42 PM, RutgersJetFan said:

They're 6-4. It's late November and I am getting to watch meaningful football for the first time since the biggest movie of the year was Toy Story 3. I'm too ambivalent about it all to give this much of a sh*t. How much complaining can you do when they went from drafting 2nd overall to completing for a playoff spot? 

 

RJF: