That was embarrassing from the coaches

[HawkeyeJet]

Say whatever you want about Wilson, I won’t argue with you.  He stinks and it’s no secret.  He’s got no future here.

But to get outwitted by Dan Campbell on 4th and inches, when they’ve had zero explosive plays all game, is downright embarrassing.  That play is the one thing you should be looking for. They were down to 1 timeout and had 50 some yards to go with zero explosive ability l.  Just unreal you are selling out to stack the run in that situation.

Then the mismanagement of the TOs on the final drive compound things.

Overall the season has been enjoyable but the playoff drought will continue.

[JTJet]

2 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

Say whatever you want about Wilson, I won’t argue with you.  He stinks and it’s no secret.  He’s got no future here.

But to get outwitted by Dan Campbell on 4th and inches, when they’ve had zero explosive plays all game, is downright embarrassing.  That play is the one thing you should be looking for. They were down to 1 timeout and had 50 some yards to go with zero explosive ability l.  Just unreal you are selling out to stack the run in that situation.

Then the mismanagement of the TOs on the final drive compound things.

Overall the season has been enjoyable but the playoff drought will continue.

I agree except your last sentence. 

I dont think it's been enjoyable at ALL. Same sh*t as every year, just a couple more wins. That's it. 

Terrible coaching, offensive coordinator that's offensive, a supposedly stout D that gives up  backbreaking plays, terrible QB, and a GM that's botched so many draft picks its unreal. 

What's enjoyable? 

[Matt39]

Just now, JTJet said:

I agree except your last sentence. 

I dont think it's been enjoyable at ALL. Same sh*t as every year, just a couple more wins. That's it. 

Terrible coaching, offensive coordinator that's offensive, a supposedly stout D that gives up  backbreaking plays, terrible QB, and a GM that's botched so many draft picks its unreal. 

What's enjoyable? 

Yeah this is a 1990’s esque Jets December collapse. The team feasted on backup QB’s. Saleh completely screwed up after the Wilson catch on the sideline. This season has been brutal.

[LionelRichie]

We finished the game with 2 TO’s, you cannot make this stuff up. 

[Matt39]

Just now, LionelRichie said:

We finished the game with 2 TO’s, you cannot make this stuff up. 

No idea what Saleh was doing

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

They had all 3 lol. It’s not like you had to decide when to use your last 2. ALL 3. And you decide to just waste 23 seconds on the clock for no reason. My god. 

[TheClashFan]

I was screaming for them to use that first timeout....but they let the clock run.  Salah needs to own up to that.

 

[LionelRichie]

2 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

No idea what Saleh was doing

Unfortunately neither did he 

[HawkeyeJet]

1 minute ago, Zachtomims47 said:

They had all 3 lol. It’s not like you had to decide when to use your last 2. ALL 3. And you decide to just waste 23 seconds on the clock for no reason. My god. 

There were two longer pass completions in the general range of 1 minute, both to Wilson I think, and they wasted closed to 50 seconds between those two plays not calling a TO.  Just mind boggling.

[TheClashFan]

Robert Frost once wrote about "the road not taken." 

Saleh needs to apologize for "the timeouts not taken."

 

[slimjasi]

Zach will be the headline on JN, but Saleh need to rethink what he’s doing with the clock management 

this game is likely in overtime with even reasonable management. Letting 30 seconds bleed off took the thread of the runs and check downs away. There’s a hidden 20-30 yards in just check downs, with some decent play design 

[Skeet Ulrich]

Not Saleh’s best hour.

[BornJetsFan1983]

17 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

Say whatever you want about Wilson, I won’t argue with you.  He stinks and it’s no secret.  He’s got no future here.

But to get outwitted by Dan Campbell on 4th and inches, when they’ve had zero explosive plays all game, is downright embarrassing.  That play is the one thing you should be looking for. They were down to 1 timeout and had 50 some yards to go with zero explosive ability l.  Just unreal you are selling out to stack the run in that situation.

Then the mismanagement of the TOs on the final drive compound things.

Overall the season has been enjoyable but the playoff drought will continue.

Hmm interesting. I feel like it's reasonable to get caught like that. Got to give them credit it was a great play

[Ron Rico]

15 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

Say whatever you want about Wilson, I won’t argue with you.  He stinks and it’s no secret.  He’s got no future here.

But to get outwitted by Dan Campbell on 4th and inches, when they’ve had zero explosive plays all game, is downright embarrassing.  That play is the one thing you should be looking for. They were down to 1 timeout and had 50 some yards to go with zero explosive ability l.  Just unreal you are selling out to stack the run in that situation.

Then the mismanagement of the TOs on the final drive compound things.

Overall the season has been enjoyable but the playoff drought will continue.

I just think this game was so poorly officiated that it put both coaches in a trance. That "13-10" score definitely had me in a trance, I can only imagine what it was like for both coaches trying to snap out of it. This should have been a beautiful game, but it was an abortion, start to finish and the refs definitely engineered it. They made sure it was a low scoring game. I'm convinced of it. All of them should be indicted.

[HawkeyeJet]

7 minutes ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

Hmm interesting. I feel like it's reasonable to get caught like that. Got to give them credit it was a great play

That play, under no circumstances, should ever go for a 50 yard touchdown.  The Jets were so over zealous and over aggressive when they didn’t need to be.  

The odds of Detroit marching down and scoring a td even with a large chunk play there is probably less than 10 percent.  Also probably about the percentage chance to stop them on that 4th on that short yardage run they sold out to stop.  It’s just beyond dumb to play that aggressively on that down.  Just absolutely dumb.
 

 

 

[BornJetsFan1983]

5 hours ago, HawkeyeJet said:

That play, under no circumstances, should ever go for a 50 yard touchdown.  The Jets were so over zealous and over aggressive when they didn’t need to be.  

The odds of Detroit marching down and scoring a td even with a large chunk play there is probably less than 10 percent.  Also probably about the percentage chance to stop them on that 4th on that short yardage run they sold out to stop.  It’s just beyond dumb to play that aggressively on that down.  Just absolutely dumb.
 

 

 

Idk looks like they didn't have anyone covering him at all. It's not like the def just missed a tackle there was no one on him it was a single mistake. It happens.

It sucks sure but the def payed well overall. You can't expect perfection every week. The offense had plenty of open wrs all day. Plenty of scoring drives. But Zach was missing every shot.

[carlito1171]

No excuse letting the clock run making it back to the line after the 1st reception when you have 3 TOs...

Mosley jumped the gun for a 2nd straight week leading to an explosive play after the offense gets the go ahead score...you're a top 3 defense, you have to close that game out late in the 4th...he thought he anticipated the play correctly but got badly fooled. Give the Lions OC credit as well he called a good game against a good defense...

Blame to go around in multiple places, not just the obvious ones..

[carlito1171]

5 hours ago, slimjasi said:

There’s a hidden 20-30 yards in just check downs, with some decent play design 

most definitely....esp when in that instance the defense will give you the middle of the field trying to protect against the deep play and the sidelines...

[Green Ghost]

Did Saleh explain his reasoning in the post game PC?

[cat999]

7 minutes ago, carlito1171 said:

No excuse letting the clock run making it back to the line after the 1st reception when you have 3 TOs...

Mosley jumped the gun for a 2nd straight week leading to an explosive play after the offense gets the go ahead score...you're a top 3 defense, you have to close that game out late in the 4th...he thought he anticipated the play correctly but got badly fooled. Give the Lions OC credit as well he called a good game against a good defense...

Blame to go around in multiple places, not just the obvious ones..

Bart Scott on the post game reviewed the play and put the blame on Quincy. Makes sense as he did the same thing but came up big on the goal line stop earlier. This time he got burned

[Larz]

For me that’s 3 weeks in a row Saleh was outcoached

[JetPotato]

5 hours ago, JTJet said:

I agree except your last sentence. 

I dont think it's been enjoyable at ALL. Same sh*t as every year, just a couple more wins. That's it. 

Terrible coaching, offensive coordinator that's offensive, a supposedly stout D that gives up  backbreaking plays, terrible QB, and a GM that's botched so many draft picks its unreal. 

What's enjoyable? 

Quinnen Williams, DJ Reed, Sauce Gardner, Bryce Huff, Bam Knight, Breece Hall, AVT, Garrett Wilson, meaningful December games? Hope going forward (pretty much everywhere but the QB room).

Offset by some terrible injury luck and complete failure at QB.

Ups and downs. But still far better than any of the previous decade or so. 

[Charlie Brown]

6 hours ago, slimjasi said:

Zach will be the headline on JN, but Saleh need to rethink what he’s doing with the clock management 

this game is likely in overtime with even reasonable management. Letting 30 seconds bleed off took the thread of the runs and check downs away. There’s a hidden 20-30 yards in just check downs, with some decent play design 

Even a pass in the dirt to stop the clock is time saving there, just awful play clock management and that isnt on Zach Wilson!

[Saul Goodman]

Didn’t the Jets just hire an in-game strategy specialist, or someone with a similar role/title? 

[Charlie Brown]

55 minutes ago, cat999 said:

Bart Scott on the post game reviewed the play and put the blame on Quincy. Makes sense as he did the same thing but came up big on the goal line stop earlier. This time he got burned

I agreed with Scott   
 

Jets have the lead after the Jets were down and Zach Wilson led them to a go ahead TD and the team only had to keep them out of the end zone to win the game and they blew it!

That is NOT on Zach Wilson! Folks can hate him for his missing open guys but this was not on him!!

[Barry McCockinner]

1 hour ago, Green Ghost said:

Did Saleh explain his reasoning in the post game PC?

He said some dumb sh*t about being aggressive that made no sense.

[Paradis]

I dunno. I don’t relate with a lot of you guys this time around. Clock management at the end was meh. Not criminal, but meh. Taking 12 yard sacks and overthrowing ppl is why we lost. Not b/c of timeouts. …and yes that blown 4 and 1 was crippling but it was not some coaching circus moment. We sold out to stop the run on a 4th/1 and they called TE cross in the flat… it was a ballsy call and they pulled it off. …lessons learned but nothing I would crucify the coach over. ZW is unequivocally not capable of putting the team on his shoulders. Ppl are hurt, OLINE is in tatters - he needed to make plays that he didn’t. That’s all that happened 

[genot]

I'm really passed off, hours later. This coaching staff, needs a reset. HC, OC, and DC. To end a game with two timeouts, when you're driving for the tying field goal is mind boggling. 

[HighPitch]

7 hours ago, Skeet Ulrich said:

Not Saleh’s best hour.

Agreed. Not his best but in all honesty this is the first time in a long time anyone blamed sally for something so ill take it with a grain of salt

zW is awful. Thats why we lost. Even mw could have won this game

[Green Ghost]

52 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

He said some dumb sh*t about being aggressive that made no sense.

Ugh.

Just a really bad day all around. It’s funny I thought we’d get blown out with Zach in there today, but losing like this was much worse. 

This one hurt.

[dcJet]

This frickin coaching staff sucked ass today.  

The 4th and one defensive call was the worst since Gregg Williams.  
 
The clock mismanagement the worst since Herm.  

We expect Zach to suck.  That’s baked in.  But these coaching blunders were completely unexpected.  

 

 

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

ZW was asked about time management on the final drive during the postgame.

He said he had no clue.  Basically said it’s completely off his plate and that the coaches manage everything.

The Jets still very much have ZW in a paint-by-numbers QB mode.

[Smashmouth]

We wanted December Football and Boy did we get it. Then this team proceeded to give up big play after big play in games they seemed to have full control of in all 3 phases. Yesterday we held on of the better offenses in Check but we gave them a Punt Return, An Int that cost us 3 points, and a defensive breakdown at the end that contributed to another loss in which we beat ourselves. Over  the last 4 weeks we have 100% beat ourselves in every way imaginable and once in all three phases. This is what happens when you are in close games, one big mistake in any phase and you lose.

[BigB]

This team from top to bottom cannot close out tight games in the final minutes; the coaches, QB inconsistency, Defense breakdowns, Special teams breakdown, OL giving up sacks on QB nor opening RB holes for TD, and WRs drops and getting shoe-string tackled when running for scores all have their failures. This is truly a team effort in this regard. They still have not learned how to win and its shows up in every area of the team.