choon328 Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 36 minutes ago, jetswinbaby! said: And just think how much better off this team would be right now... Tristan Wirfs at Tackle was the chalk pick over questionably too big Becton... Becton is not playing and may never play again... Justin Fields from OSU at QB over Wilson from BYU was the chalk pick... Fields is improving, Wilson is regressing... Douglas just had to go and overthink it... He just had to go for the home run instead of the sure base hit... You can't strike out on 2 premium 1st round picks without devastating effects... This is on you, Joe Douglas... JD knows this. That's why he's forcing Wilson out there even though he doesn't give them the best chance to win. 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 Douglas and Saleh are 2 of the few bright spots on this team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dax89 Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 I distinctly remember member of this board clowning on Buffalo and Miami for getting a "scrub QB and some safety" when they got Josh Allen and Minkah Fitzpatrick. Every fan is a HOF GM in their own minds. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Averagejetsfan1421 Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 Back to the fire joe Douglas thread after a loss again I see 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cut Jet Penalty Makers Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, k-met57 said: ok, so its hard for you to get past it...but you have no opinion on the matter. got it. you clearly bring a lot to the table in terms of discussion. Any evaluation of Douglas has to factor in the 2020 draft and those 2 blown first rounders. You simply have to get 2 impact starters with such high picks. End of story. As far as what the chalk was on the Wilson/Fields choice, that sentiment kept shifting. When Fields lit up my Clemson Tigers, it went strongly that way but shifted to ZW closer to the draft. Why JD was jonesing for him has always been baffling. Another reason to cut Mann is that if not for him, we would have Trevor Lawrence. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Rico Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 33 minutes ago, Saul Goodman said: I like where the team is headed but if we’re being honest Douglas blew two entire drafts, with high picks, with the exception of AVT. I hear you but I just know our track record. Idzek, the guy with the coffee cups all over his desk... it aint pretty. I'm giving Douglass more time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 55 minutes ago, jetswinbaby! said: And just think how much better off this team would be right now... Tristan Wirfs at Tackle was the chalk pick over questionably too big Becton... Becton is not playing and may never play again... Justin Fields from OSU at QB over Wilson from BYU was the chalk pick... Fields is improving, Wilson is regressing... Douglas just had to go and overthink it... He just had to go for the home run instead of the sure base hit... You can't strike out on 2 premium 1st round picks without devastating effects... This is on you, Joe Douglas... Stop it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cut Jet Penalty Makers Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 11 minutes ago, Averagejetsfan1421 said: Back to the fire joe Douglas thread after a loss again I see 4 of the last 5 actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 I don’t have a problem with taking a big swing over going chalk. Big Mac went chalk and was a disaster. Drafting an unplayable disaster 2nd overall is a pretty big mark against him though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 1 hour ago, jetswinbaby! said: And just think how much better off this team would be right now... Tristan Wirfs at Tackle was the chalk pick over questionably too big Becton... Becton is not playing and may never play again... Justin Fields from OSU at QB over Wilson from BYU was the chalk pick... Fields is improving, Wilson is regressing... Douglas just had to go and overthink it... He just had to go for the home run instead of the sure base hit... You can't strike out on 2 premium 1st round picks without devastating effects... This is on you, Joe Douglas... Yeah, if ONLY he would have done that. If ONLY he would have hit on EVERY single pick like all the great GM's do. If only.....if only.....if only...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 34 minutes ago, Dax89 said: Every fan is a HOF GM in their own minds. This post CAN'T win post of the century enough! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 24 minutes ago, Cut Jet Penalty Makers said: 4 of the last 5 actually. It’s still mind numbing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 1 hour ago, jetswinbaby! said: And just think how much better off this team would be right now... Tristan Wirfs at Tackle was the chalk pick over questionably too big Becton... Becton is not playing and may never play again... Justin Fields from OSU at QB over Wilson from BYU was the chalk pick... Fields is improving, Wilson is regressing... Douglas just had to go and overthink it... He just had to go for the home run instead of the sure base hit... You can't strike out on 2 premium 1st round picks without devastating effects... This is on you, Joe Douglas... Blame the 75% hit rate in the first 36 picks on him as well. Douglas is not the issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 32 minutes ago, Cut Jet Penalty Makers said: Any evaluation of Douglas has to factor in the 2020 draft and those 2 blown first rounders. You simply have to get 2 impact starters with such high picks. End of story. As far as what the chalk was on the Wilson/Fields choice, that sentiment kept shifting. When Fields lit up my Clemson Tigers, it went strongly that way but shifted to ZW closer to the draft. Why JD was jonesing for him has always been baffling. Another reason to cut Mann is that if not for him, we would have Trevor Lawrence. The 2020 draft was brutally bad with Gase and covid preventing pro days. Aside from that JD has shown the ability to win trades, FA, Waiver wire pickups and UDFA pickups. Berrios JFM Huff White Quincy Kwon Reed Have all been above average to great and the Adams, Avery, Darnold, Leonard, and Herndon trades were masterful. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cut Jet Penalty Makers Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: The 2020 draft was brutally bad with Gase and covid preventing pro days. Aside from that JD has shown the ability to win trades, FA, Waiver wire pickups and UDFA pickups. Berrios JFM Huff White Quincy Kwon Reed Have all been above average to great and the Adams, Avery, Darnold, Leonard, and Herndon trades were masterful. Fair enough on the FA and trade point, however, your covid point only works if other teams had drafted poorly in the 2020 draft as well. We know that is not true. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 50 minutes ago, Cut Jet Penalty Makers said: Any evaluation of Douglas has to factor in the 2020 draft and those 2 blown first rounders. You simply have to get 2 impact starters with such high picks. End of story. As far as what the chalk was on the Wilson/Fields choice, that sentiment kept shifting. When Fields lit up my Clemson Tigers, it went strongly that way but shifted to ZW closer to the draft. Why JD was jonesing for him has always been baffling. Another reason to cut Mann is that if not for him, we would have Trevor Lawrence. Ok what would you like to do with Joe Douglas? All i see if hot air coming out…are you suggesting something or not? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 13 minutes ago, Cut Jet Penalty Makers said: Fair enough on the FA and trade point, however, your covid point only works if other teams had drafted poorly in the 2020 draft as well. We know that is not true. Sure, that's assuming Gase and Douglas are not on even footing, which they were. Douglas isn't perfect but I stand by him being the best GM we have ever had. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 1 hour ago, AFJF said: Until this team hires a GM who never misses on a pick, this team isn't going anywhere. His missed too many. Free agency signings have been below average too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Averagejetsfan1421 said: Back to the fire joe Douglas thread after a loss again I see "A loss"? We've gone from 5-2 to 7-7. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cut Jet Penalty Makers Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 15 minutes ago, k-met57 said: Ok what would you like to do with Joe Douglas? All i see if hot air coming out…are you suggesting something or not? Since no one here has any power to do anything with Douglas, your point is moot. He serves at the pleasure of Woody. This is an opinion site, do you understand that? I am expressing mine in regards to how I perceive his performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, Matt39 said: His missed too many. Free agency signings have been below average too. Below average by what metric? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cut Jet Penalty Makers Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 11 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: Sure, that's assuming Gase and Douglas are not on even footing, which they were. Douglas isn't perfect but I stand by him being the best GM we have ever had. I think that is incorrect. They reported separately to Woody but Douglas made the picks with input from Gase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandy Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 2 hours ago, jetswinbaby! said: And just think how much better off this team would be right now... Tristan Wirfs at Tackle was the chalk pick over questionably too big Becton... Becton is not playing and may never play again... Justin Fields from OSU at QB over Wilson from BYU was the chalk pick... Fields is improving, Wilson is regressing... Douglas just had to go and overthink it... He just had to go for the home run instead of the sure base hit... You can't strike out on 2 premium 1st round picks without devastating effects... This is on you, Joe Douglas... Wirfs, yes that was a bad miss. However in NFL circles, Wilson was consensus over Fields. Bad decision, but every other GM would've made it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 1 minute ago, AFJF said: Below average by what metric? Corey Davis has been a bust. Uzomah and Conklin have both been below average. Tomlinson borderline bust. A lot of money for these guys to offset some bad drafts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Corey Davis has been a bust. Uzomah and Conklin have both been below average. Tomlinson borderline bust. A lot of money for these guys to offset some bad drafts. Three questions: 1) When Joe Douglas signed Corey Davis, he hadn't missed significant time since his rookie season. What tools could he have used to predict Davis would experience more injuries in the future than he had in the past in his mid 20's? 2) Do you think the TE production could have been impacted by the QB play? 3) Why didn't you mention DJ Reed, Sheldon Rankins, Kwon Alexander, Jordan Whitehead, Duane Brown, John Franklin-Myers, Quincy Williams, Nate Herbig or Justin Hardee? All signed or claimed away from other teams to join the Jets. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, AFJF said: Three questions: 1) When Joe Douglas signed Corey Davis, he hadn't missed significant time since his rookie season. What tools could he have used to predict Davis would experience more injuries in the future than he had in the past in his mid 20's? 2) Do you think the TE production could have been impacted by the QB play? 3) Why didn't you mention DJ Reed, Sheldon Rankins, Kwon Alexander, Jordan Whitehead, Duane Brown, John Franklin-Myers, Quincy Williams, Nate Herbig or Justin Hardee? All signed or claimed away from other teams to join the Jets. Corey Davis has been a huge bust. I don’t care what he could have identified. He’s a bust, it is what it is. Reed has probably been his best FA signing. Rankins isn’t good. The rest have been nice stopgaps. Overall, especially with where the money has been spent hasn’t been good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Corey Davis has been a huge bust. I don’t care what he could have identified. He’s a bust, it is what it is. Reed has probably been his best FA signing. Rankins isn’t good. The rest have been nice stopgaps. Overall, especially with where the money has been spent hasn’t been good. Right, but what made it predictable. What was it about Corey Davis, entering free agency, that should have told Joe Douglas there would be injuries and some drops in his first season to worry about? Oh, and Rankins isn't good? Gotcha. We can wrap things up for this one, Matt. All the best. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 27 minutes ago, Cut Jet Penalty Makers said: I think that is incorrect. They reported separately to Woody but Douglas made the picks with input from Gase. When 2 of 3 drafts look other worldly, I tend to blame the outlier which would be gase. Perhaps Douglas has another bad draft this year but his track record has been better than not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammybighead Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Cut Jet Penalty Makers said: He blew basically the entire 2020 draft and 2 first rounders. I find it hard to get past that regardless of subsequent good picks. Ok so fire him, then what? You think any other gm is nailing every 1st rd pick? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cut Jet Penalty Makers Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Sammybighead said: Ok so fire him, then what? You think any other gm is nailing every 1st rd pick? Every first round pick? He's blown 2 of the 3 first rounders he's had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 3 hours ago, SoFlaJets said: Hey Matt say the Jets tank out (a very real possibility) and go 7-10 or 8-9 where do you figure they'd be picking? Somewhere in the late teens I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 3 hours ago, ZachStepdad said: QBs drafted is toss up can’t blame jd for that. there’s an argument for that Becton Wirfs pick …. Literally your narrative is all moot with this years draft picks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Every first round pick? He's blown 2 of the 3 first rounders he's had. Garrett Wilson, Sauce ... Not to shabbyJJ : Not terribleSent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cut Jet Penalty Makers Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Dunnie said: Garrett Wilson, Sauce ... Not to shabby JJ : Not terrible Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk You just confirmed my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYDreamer Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 And if we drafted Penai Sewell our offensive line would be Phenomenal with Becton/Wirfs, Tomlinson, McGovern, AVT, and then Sewell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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