Every Zach Wilson throw vs Lions

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

Discuss. 

[Larz]

I’m too lazy to chart the correlation between lazy footwork and good footwork on the pocket throws but it really just jumps out. Just watch the feet

maddening. 

[Dunnie]

I could be wrong ... But it appeared that the footwork was a lot better than pre-benched Zach.

The Moore pass was the most sound mechanically.

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[undertow]

[Sammybighead]

People say footwork like it means something...

He's just not accurate. There are a lot of qbs that make accurate passes without pristine mechanical form on every pass. Zach just can't do it. Like hackenberg couldn't do it. Like Tebow couldn't do it.

More than his feet being a problem, he just doesn't have the ability to anticipate and lead targets. Plus he throws missiles on every pass which is making it tough on the receivers.

[Barry McCockinner]

To soon

[JetPotato]

Too bad the video was removed. Would serve as a nice reminder to some that still think this is an NFL starting QB.

[DireJet]

Game looked slower for him. I will say that. He’ll likely get the start on Thursday. Quick turnaround. Let’s see if he can build on it.

[Barry McCockinner]

2 minutes ago, JetPotato said:

Too bad the video was removed. Would serve as a nice reminder to some that still think this is an NFL starting QB.

It's there you just have to click through and watch on YouTube 

[JetPotato]

3 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

It's there you just have to click through and watch on YouTube 

I'm good.

[DireJet]

Say what you want about ZW’s flaws, but the throw to Elijah Moore prior to the FG is bonkers. 

[ScarletKnight89]

There's plenty of impressive throws in there but there's so much bad. It far outweighs the good throughout the course of a game. Zach has a big arm, and he's pretty athletic. That's about it. He hasn't shown he can play Quarterback. 

[SR24]

I don't think we're ever going to have success with this OC/QB combo. Wilson clearly isn't a traditional pocket passer and Lafleur keeps trying to make him one, you have to get him out of the pocket and moving. Zach just not being able to hit the easy stuff is baffling to me so don't think I'm defending him 1% but this combo isn't working 

[Larz]

33 minutes ago, Sammybighead said:

People say footwork like it means something...

He's just not accurate. There are a lot of qbs that make accurate passes without pristine mechanical form on every pass. Zach just can't do it. Like hackenberg couldn't do it. Like Tebow couldn't do it.

More than his feet being a problem, he just doesn't have the ability to anticipate and lead targets. Plus he throws missiles on every pass which is making it tough on the receivers.

Guess what all QB’s, QB coaches, QB school podcast guys say dictates accuracy?

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

25 minutes ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

There's plenty of impressive throws in there but there's so much bad. It far outweighs the good throughout the course of a game. Zach has a big arm, and he's pretty athletic. That's about it. He hasn't shown he can play Quarterback. 

Eh. After watching it, I don’t think I feel that way. Obviously wasn’t perfect. The INT was the worst. And then imo completely missed Berrios down the middle at the end of the fourth. 
The pass protection, run game, and erratic Lefluer just makes it so much worse. 

[football guy]

I have come to the conclusion that there is a sector of fans who love Mike White to the point that they want to see Zach Wilson fail. For a long time I thought it was all about the stats, but then I saw universal praise for White after the Minnesota game. Those fans were loud and proud about how Mike White could be a franchise QB despite a 31/57, 369, 2 INT game against Minnesota (I personally think he played better than the stat line but it wasn’t a very good performance by any means). They said he brought them back and put them in a position to win the game, threw for 300+ yards, guys dropped balls, bad calls from the refs, etc. etc. 

Those very same fans seemingly watched today’s QB performance and came to the conclusion that this player doesn’t belong in the NFL, has very little upside, and will never pan out. 

I am living in a simulation I know it

 

[jbt]

 

 

[undertow]

1 minute ago, football guy said:

I have come to the conclusion that there is a sector of fans who love Mike White to the point that they want to see Zach Wilson fail. For a long time I thought it was all about the stats, but then I saw universal praise for White after the Minnesota game. Those fans were loud and proud about how Mike White could be a franchise QB despite a 31/57, 369, 2 INT game against Minnesota (I personally think he played better than the stat line but it wasn’t a very good performance by any means). They said he brought them back and put them in a position to win the game, threw for 300+ yards, guys dropped balls, bad calls from the refs, etc. etc. 

Those very same fans seemingly watched today’s QB performance and came to the conclusion that this player doesn’t belong in the NFL, has very little upside, and will never pan out. 

I am living in a simulation I know it

 

You aren't living in a simulation you just don't know what you are watching.

[ppls17]

Watching game I was really down on Zach at times but watching throws it really wasn’t bad. 5 or 6 throw aways a drop or two. Biggest issue is the line l. Pressure up the middle a lot and often two guys are beat so fast that pressure hits from multiple directions. We rarely screen and run a pretty predictable offense. Also without Davis and then mims.

Not an A game but I thought it was a solid b and an improvement on footwork and throwing motion.

Really bad decision on pick hurt though


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[football guy]

8 minutes ago, undertow said:

You aren't living in a simulation you just don't know what you are watching.

And you do? Lolzzz

[FTL Jet Fan]

You know no one is coaching these kids, MLF is busy with the offense and who the **** is  Rob Calabrese? So who is developing theses kids. Nobody, themselves. They need to start there.

[Warfish]

20 minutes ago, football guy said:

I have come to the conclusion that there is a sector of fans who love Mike White to the point that they want to see Zach Wilson fail. For a long time I thought it was all about the stats, but then I saw universal praise for White after the Minnesota game. Those fans were loud and proud about how Mike White could be a franchise QB despite a 31/57, 369, 2 INT game against Minnesota (I personally think he played better than the stat line but it wasn’t a very good performance by any means). They said he brought them back and put them in a position to win the game, threw for 300+ yards, guys dropped balls, bad calls from the refs, etc. etc. 

Those very same fans seemingly watched today’s QB performance and came to the conclusion that this player doesn’t belong in the NFL, has very little upside, and will never pan out. 

I am living in a simulation I know it

 

I've watched every snap that counted Zach Wilson has played since coming into he NFL.

IMO he is a clear cut bust.  He lacks far too many things to ever be a success.  

-Accuracy

-Consistency

-Decision making

-Reading Defenses

-Pocket presence/feeling the rush

-Throwing guys open/anticipation

His positives are exactly two things:

-Arm strength (which he cannot fully utilize due to his weaknesses)

-Elusiveness (which is generally used to almost no productivity)

All this leads to his extremely low levels of production in his first two years.  He is the lowest producing QB in the NFL in 2021 and 2022, back to back worst in the league years.

And he's fragile, missing 6 games already for 2 knee injuries in just his first two years.

If Zach Wilson played for anyone but us, this fanbase would mock him incessantly.  Can you imagine Jets fans thoughts if he was a Patriot or Dolphin?

Lets be honest here Football Guy, you're in love with RAS scores and arm-strength-in-shorts-with-no-Defense and not actual play on actual football fields against actual opponents.  Because there is no objective way to look at Zach so far and see "future Franchise QB clearly worth spending several season to get there".

This opinion has nothing to do with Mike White.  This is purely about Zach Wilson.  I very much hope the Jets will separate from him this offseason, a la Darnold (a better QB btw, something I never thought I'd have to write), but I fear we're in for wasting at least one more year "seeing what we got" in Zach before that happens.

[SR24]

19 minutes ago, football guy said:

I have come to the conclusion that there is a sector of fans who love Mike White to the point that they want to see Zach Wilson fail. For a long time I thought it was all about the stats, but then I saw universal praise for White after the Minnesota game. Those fans were loud and proud about how Mike White could be a franchise QB despite a 31/57, 369, 2 INT game against Minnesota (I personally think he played better than the stat line but it wasn’t a very good performance by any means). They said he brought them back and put them in a position to win the game, threw for 300+ yards, guys dropped balls, bad calls from the refs, etc. etc. 

Those very same fans seemingly watched today’s QB performance and came to the conclusion that this player doesn’t belong in the NFL, has very little upside, and will never pan out. 

I am living in a simulation I know it

 

Mike White went 6/17 for 24yds  0tds 1int in the redzone vs Minnesota and people around here are ready to build a statue of the guy 

[OCCH23]

35 minutes ago, football guy said:

I have come to the conclusion that there is a sector of fans who love Mike White to the point that they want to see Zach Wilson fail. For a long time I thought it was all about the stats, but then I saw universal praise for White after the Minnesota game. Those fans were loud and proud about how Mike White could be a franchise QB despite a 31/57, 369, 2 INT game against Minnesota (I personally think he played better than the stat line but it wasn’t a very good performance by any means). They said he brought them back and put them in a position to win the game, threw for 300+ yards, guys dropped balls, bad calls from the refs, etc. etc. 

Those very same fans seemingly watched today’s QB performance and came to the conclusion that this player doesn’t belong in the NFL, has very little upside, and will never pan out. 

I am living in a simulation I know it

 

I highly question your ability to assess QB production if you think those games were the least bit similar.

Any reason you're not comparing today to the Bears game?  MUCH more similar circumstances, no?

[HighPitch]

1 hour ago, DireJet said:

Say what you want about ZW’s flaws, but the throw to Elijah Moore prior to the FG is bonkers. 

That was pure desperate luck cmon now

[Maxman]

1 hour ago, football guy said:

I have come to the conclusion that there is a sector of fans who love Mike White to the point that they want to see Zach Wilson fail. For a long time I thought it was all about the stats, but then I saw universal praise for White after the Minnesota game. Those fans were loud and proud about how Mike White could be a franchise QB despite a 31/57, 369, 2 INT game against Minnesota (I personally think he played better than the stat line but it wasn’t a very good performance by any means). They said he brought them back and put them in a position to win the game, threw for 300+ yards, guys dropped balls, bad calls from the refs, etc. etc. 

Those very same fans seemingly watched today’s QB performance and came to the conclusion that this player doesn’t belong in the NFL, has very little upside, and will never pan out. 

I am living in a simulation I know it

 

Honestly I am not worried about what other fans think either way.

I am worried that Zach still doesn't look the part. It is just so frustrating, he was good today, if he was really good the Jets win.

The defense lost it with that TD they gave up. But the offense has to be better, running is an issue for sure. But this wasn't a good defense.

Really wanted to see Zach complete 65% of his passes and stop being in the 50% range.

[football guy]

32 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I've watched every snap that counted Zach Wilson has played since coming into he NFL.

IMO he is a clear cut bust.  He lacks far too many things to ever be a success.  

-Accuracy

-Consistency

-Decision making

-Reading Defenses

-Pocket presence/feeling the rush

-Throwing guys open/anticipation

His positives are exactly two things:

-Arm strength (which he cannot fully utilize due to his weaknesses)

-Elusiveness (which is generally used to almost no productivity)

All this leads to his extremely low levels of production in his first two years.  He is the lowest producing QB in the NFL in 2021 and 2022, back to back worst in the league years.

And he's fragile, missing 6 games already for 2 knee injuries in just his first two years.

If Zach Wilson played for anyone but us, this fanbase would mock him incessantly.  Can you imagine Jets fans thoughts if he was a Patriot or Dolphin?

Lets be honest here Football Guy, you're in love with RAS scores and arm-strength-in-shorts-with-no-Defense and not actual play on actual football fields against actual opponents.  Because there is no objective way to look at Zach so far and see "future Franchise QB clearly worth spending several season to get there".

This opinion has nothing to do with Mike White.  This is purely about Zach Wilson.  I very much hope the Jets will separate from him this offseason, a la Darnold (a better QB btw, something I never thought I'd have to write), but I fear we're in for wasting at least one more year "seeing what we got" in Zach before that happens.

Your assumptions of me are wrong. I think my view of things is probably different than the average fan because I do get the benefit of context and insight from people inside and outside of the organization who evaluate the game (specifically QBs) for a living. The theme with Wilson is and has been that he has the tools, he has the ability, he has the intelligence, has the work ethic to be a very good QB. He is still in the overthinking phase of his career, and the game hasn’t slowed down for him enough yet. When you couple that with a deep playbook and demanding scheme, the overthinking impacts his processing ability, which slows down his ability to react. Inconsistent footwork doesn’t help RE: accuracy. The unanimous answer among those who know what they’re talking about is that he will eventually achieve more consistency and accuracy with experience, but the questions that many have unanswered is (1) how long will it take; and (2) whether he has the temperament to deal with pressure.

Pin and save. We can return to this discussion same time next year. Anyway, the point I’m making is less about where the player will be and more about the very clear bias among a sector of fans who prefer Mike White. When White had a so-so game yet made some really good throws, that inspired people to tell you and I that he’s the franchise QB and everyone else let him down. Zach has a so-so game yet made some unreal throws and the response is that he was garbage and won’t have a career in the NFL. But I digress.

[Hex]

Zach’s biggest problem is recovering from big mistakes.

He started 6/10 for like 120 yards and a TD in the first half. After the INT he reverted back to crappy Zach. 
I don’t give a crap what Zach says about his confidence, he clearly lost it after thay interception. 
He even looked good for long stretches of the game. He was just downright terrible for stretches too. 
This was probably his best game of the season, though. Even despite that 3rd quater. Not that there’s much else on his resume.

[SuicidalSince98]

I agr

2 hours ago, Sammybighead said:

People say footwork like it means something...

He's just not accurate. There are a lot of qbs that make accurate passes without pristine mechanical form on every pass. Zach just can't do it. Like hackenberg couldn't do it. Like Tebow couldn't do it.

More than his feet being a problem, he just doesn't have the ability to anticipate and lead targets. Plus he throws missiles on every pass which is making it tough on the receivers.

I agree 100%

The skill that makes it worth paying millions of dollars for an NFL QB is this

Zach Wilson simply doesn’t have the inhauman level of accuracy required to play nfl QB. 
 

it’s like comparing a pro golfer to a good amateur. What separates them is the innate ability  to be super consistent and get the ball in the hole. 
 

wilson is like a show QB, he can make wow throws in a controlled environment but can’t play the game 

 

[football guy]

7 minutes ago, Maxman said:

Honestly I am not worried about what other fans think either way.

I am worried that Zach still doesn't look the part. It is just so frustrating, he was good today, if he was really good the Jets win.

The defense lost it with that TD they gave up. But the offense has to be better, running is an issue for sure. But this wasn't a good defense.

Really wanted to see Zach complete 65% of his passes and stop being in the 50% range.

Without a doubt he was not good enough. If he was we would’ve won despite everything else that went wrong. He and the Jets need to find a way to get him to complete the easy throws with consistency, but some of these takes/fan evaluations are just pure laziness. 

[SuicidalSince98]

4 minutes ago, football guy said:

Your assumptions of me are wrong. I think my view of things is probably different than the average fan because I do get the benefit of context and insight from people inside and outside of the organization who evaluate the game (specifically QBs) for a living. The theme with Wilson is and has been that he has the tools, he has the ability, he has the intelligence, has the work ethic to be a very good QB. He is still in the overthinking phase of his career, and the game hasn’t slowed down for him enough yet. When you couple that with a deep playbook and demanding scheme, the overthinking impacts his processing ability, which slows down his ability to react. Inconsistent footwork doesn’t help RE: accuracy. The unanimous answer among those who know what they’re talking about is that he will eventually achieve more consistency and accuracy with experience, but the questions that many have unanswered is (1) how long will it take; and (2) whether he has the temperament to deal with pressure.

Pin and save. We can return to this discussion same time next year. Anyway, the point I’m making is less about where the player will be and more about the very clear bias among a sector of fans who prefer Mike White. When White had a so-so game yet made some really good throws, that inspired people to tell you and I that he’s the franchise QB and everyone else let him down. Zach has a so-so game yet made some unreal throws and the response is that he was garbage and won’t have a career in the NFL. But I digress.

The #1 tool requires to be an elite nfl Qb is accuracy and he simply doesn’t have pro level accuracy 

[Maxman]

1 minute ago, football guy said:

Without a doubt he was not good enough. If he was we would’ve won despite everything else that went wrong. He and the Jets need to find a way to get him to complete the easy throws with consistency, but some of these takes/fan evaluations are just pure laziness. 

Yeah, I watch the #s like a hawk. 0 for 2 today then 2 for 4. Kind of funny because 50% is basically where it ended up.

The pass to the tight end on 3rd down in the 3rd quarter was nice. Really wish there was more of that move the chain stuff going on. Long ball was impressive. Makes it so frustrating because he is talented. 

[T0mShane]

5 minutes ago, football guy said:

Without a doubt he was not good enough. If he was we would’ve won despite everything else that went wrong. He and the Jets need to find a way to get him to complete the easy throws with consistency, but some of these takes/fan evaluations are just pure laziness. 

I do not believe there are professionals who specialize in quarterback development that believe Zach Wilson can become a good quarterback, unless we’re talking about John Beck, who gets paid to believe that.

[Maxman]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

I do not believe there are professionals who specialize in quarterback development that believe Zach Wilson can become a good quarterback, unless we’re talking about John Beck, who gets paid to believe that.

I am a homer at heart. And I went in today hoping that Zach was coming out 7 \ 9 with a TD in the first quarter. Quick strikes. Some runs when the coverage was tight.

Zach's shot was to show that he could be Mike White when it comes to completion % and that he could offer more with the deep play ability and running.

None of that happened.

Mike White is the better QB and the margin is very wide. In theory Zach has a higher upside but in reality Zach's floor is so much lower than Whites.

It is a shame White has been injured every time they put him out there. The Jets will be QB shopping next year.

[Hal N of Provo]

13 minutes ago, SuicidalSince98 said:

I agr

I agree 100%

The skill that makes it worth paying millions of dollars for an NFL QB is this

Zach Wilson simply doesn’t have the inhauman level of accuracy required to play nfl QB. 
 

it’s like comparing a pro golfer to a good amateur. What separates them is the innate ability  to be super consistent and get the ball in the hole. 
 

wilson is like a show QB, he can make wow throws in a controlled environment but can’t play the game 

 

Oh thank goodness. 
 

AntiZaxxers, he’s all yours.