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Flea Flicking Frank

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Lucking into QB's is NOT a strategy. You don't just keep drafting one till you get one, it doesnt work.

You need to bring in competent GM/HC/OC who knows what they are looking for and at, and knows how to work with a QB. Its the only way. Its no surprise we can't find a QB. Look at the string of GM/HC/OC who we have had here since really the Parcells era who wasnt interested in getting/developing a QB for the long haul as a coach.

Its not a coincidence that Andy Reid selected and has Mahomes. Its not a coincidence that Pederson has completely transformed Trevor Lawrence who was marginally better than ZW last year.

Luck is not a strategy. Until the Jets change their approach at the FO/Coaching level, we can expect this to continue.

Maybe we can hope to sneak into the playoffs as a 6th seed with White/Minshew/JAG dojour, but we will never be a legit contender until we bring the right people in here, its that simple.

We can keep hating Sanchez, Geno, Darnold, Wilsons of the world, but they are a symptom, not the problem

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4 minutes ago, Flea Flicking Frank said:

Lucking into QB's is NOT a strategy. You don't just keep drafting one till you get one, it doesnt work.

You need to bring in competent GM/HC/OC who knows what they are looking for and at, and knows how to work with a QB. Its the only way. Its no surprise we can't find a QB. Look at the string of GM/HC/OC who we have had here since really the Parcells era who wasnt interested in getting/developing a QB for the long haul as a coach.

Its not a coincidence that Andy Reid selected and has Mahomes. Its not a coincidence that Pederson has completely transformed Trevor Lawrence who was marginally better than ZW last year.

Luck is not a strategy. Until the Jets change their approach at the FO/Coaching level, we can expect this to continue.

Maybe we can hope to sneak into the playoffs as a 6th seed with White/Minshew/JAG dojour, but we will never be a legit contender until we bring the right people in here, its that simple.

We can keep hating Sanchez, Geno, Darnold, Wilsons of the world, but they are a symptom, not the problem

and we cant waste this talent on keeping trying to draft one. 

 

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Just now, Coquito said:

Woody won't even let the Jets play Robinson last night because he wants to save money. He's a cheap bastard, that's why he only hires rookie HC's.

not sure its about money with Woody as much as its about control over the FO/coaching staff, but its funny for all the passionate hate of a young kid QB, I see almost none for the owner who is the real problem

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This is 100% true. 

But recently teams in the NFL have been able to bring in veteran QBs who can come in and play the position professionally, run the offense/system and win games, proving that you don't need to draft and groom a QB.

When this Jets offense is executed properly, it looks like a thing of beauty. We saw some of that from White, and White is not even that good, still makes mistakes and can't stay on the field. The Jets need to bring in a veteran QB who can execute this offense. They don't nec. need to change the coaching staff and draft another talented QB.  

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14 minutes ago, PepPep said:

This is 100% true. 

But recently teams in the NFL have been able to bring in veteran QBs who can come in and play the position professionally, run the offense/system and win games, proving that you don't need to draft and groom a QB.

When this Jets offense is executed properly, it looks like a thing of beauty. We saw some of that from White, and White is not even that good, still makes mistakes and can't stay on the field. The Jets need to bring in a veteran QB who can execute this offense. They don't nec. need to change the coaching staff and draft another talented QB.  

we saw that against the Bears. It did not look anything like a thing of beauty against the Vikings or the Bills with White in

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26 minutes ago, Coquito said:

Woody won't even let the Jets play Robinson last night because he wants to save money. He's a cheap bastard, that's why he only hires rookie HC's.

lol

I’m pretty sure that one is because he’s not good, and if there’s a non-HC reason it’s because of the draft pick bump to activate him, not a matter of money. 

From where did you get the idea that Robinson costs more money if they play him?

Also their prior HC wasn’t a rookie. He sucked, but he wasn’t a rookie. In any event, that offseason the “one that got away” was Matt Rhule. The only veteran HC was still collecting from GB and most fans didn’t want the recently-fired guy who was purportedly carried by Aaron Rodgers for years. Fans were mocking Dallas for hiring him.

I’d have preferred Peterson myself - particularly since it would’ve meant a known meeting of minds between the GM and HC who already knew each other from Philadephia, but between the crappy team and a rabid media, this just wasn’t an attractive landing spot for a guy with options (who was still getting paid by his prior team).

BTW Peterson’s prior team? Name the most recent HC with prior NFL HC experience who was hired by the Eagles. Answer = Marion Campbell in 1983, who lasted < 3 seasons. FFS looking it up now, he’s the only experienced HC they’ve ever hired since the AFL-NFL merger. 

The last 2 SB teams were coached by 1st time HCs. The reason it’s mostly rookie HCs getting hired is there are so few previously-fired HCs that are desirable.

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Playing QB in NY is not like anywhere else. sh*t! The Giants had Eli Manning who won them 2 SB's and while he was there he got criticized - not just some - but most of the time. Heck, even Namath endured a lot of criticism. In other cities, the QB is beloved and given every opportunity to succeed. In NY, at the first sign of weakness the media (and fans) goes in for the kill. The fact is that it takes a different kind of cat who either can turn off the media (Eli) or gives two sh*ts and puts it right back in their face (Namath) to succeed as QB of a NYC football team. Talent alone doesn't get you there. I really do not think that JD and Saleh, from Virginia and Detroit, had any understanding of just how hard it is mentally to play QB in NYC. I think they have an inkling now.  I just hope they put some consideration for this fact in the mix the next time they are looking for a QB

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28 minutes ago, Flea Flicking Frank said:

we saw that against the Bears. It did not look anything like a thing of beauty against the Vikings or the Bills with White in

No. Because hes not very good, AVT and Hall are out, the line is beat up and the weather in Buffalo was s**t. The Jets moved the ball against the Vikings (who's defense came to play btw), we just couldn't get the ball in the endzone. 

But we saw flashes of what this offense can look like with a competent, dare I say good veteran QB and the Jets would be fools not to make a serious attempt to bring in a veteran this offseason who can pick up the offense quickly and go out and execute. 

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2 hours ago, PepPep said:

No. Because hes not very good, AVT and Hall are out, the line is beat up and the weather in Buffalo was s**t. The Jets moved the ball against the Vikings (who's defense came to play btw), we just couldn't get the ball in the endzone. 

But we saw flashes of what this offense can look like with a competent, dare I say good veteran QB and the Jets would be fools not to make a serious attempt to bring in a veteran this offseason who can pick up the offense quickly and go out and execute. 

Oh, the vikings defense came to play that game huh, good to know, holly hell with these takes

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6 hours ago, Flea Flicking Frank said:

Lucking into QB's is NOT a strategy. You don't just keep drafting one till you get one, it doesnt work.

You need to bring in competent GM/HC/OC who knows what they are looking for and at, and knows how to work with a QB. Its the only way. Its no surprise we can't find a QB. Look at the string of GM/HC/OC who we have had here since really the Parcells era who wasnt interested in getting/developing a QB for the long haul as a coach.

Its not a coincidence that Andy Reid selected and has Mahomes. Its not a coincidence that Pederson has completely transformed Trevor Lawrence who was marginally better than ZW last year.

Luck is not a strategy. Until the Jets change their approach at the FO/Coaching level, we can expect this to continue.

Maybe we can hope to sneak into the playoffs as a 6th seed with White/Minshew/JAG dojour, but we will never be a legit contender until we bring the right people in here, its that simple.

We can keep hating Sanchez, Geno, Darnold, Wilsons of the world, but they are a symptom, not the problem

Pederson completely lost Carson Wentz.  They hated each other and Wentz went from an All-Pro to a journeyman under Pederson.  How do you explain that?  Andy Reid coached for 20 years before he won a SB. Many of those seasons ended in playoff disappointment with upset losses at home.   Would Jets fans be so patient?  It appears that evaluating a college QB is more art and luck than science.

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9 minutes ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

Pederson completely lost Carson Wentz.  They hated each other and Wentz went from an All-Pro to a journeyman under Pederson.  How do you explain that?  Andy Reid coached for 20 years before he won a SB. Many of those seasons ended in playoff disappointment with upset losses at home.   Would Jets fans be so patient?  It appears that evaluating a college QB is more art and luck than science.

Its really, really simple. Wentz was never the same after his injury. Pederson got more out of Wentz and Foles, than anyone else. The guy is doing the same with Trevor. He is a great coach. I don't believe in luck

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