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[Dunnie]

The guy that helped develop Tom Brady is calling this a colossal failure from an OC standpoint. Paraphrasing ... Said that not developing a system around the QB is a recipe for failure.

 

Said Zach has all the tools and should look to get with a team that has a solid Offensive staff.

 

Did say that the losing currently is absolutely the responsibility of the QB .. because it's the NFL, but said the main issue is the OC.

 

Basically what many here have said ... LaFleur not willing to adjust to a skill set.

 

One thing for sure ....this off-season will be eventful.

 

 

 

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[ZachStepdad]

I’ve made this point to many times already MLF sucks doesn’t not know how to create an offense for the players it’s about his system and his system only if the players don’t fit it’s a fire ball….. he’s not Mike Shanahan who has that ability and skill to create offense around players…. But that might come from experience and MLF does not have that. Whoever idea was to sign a rookie offensive staff with a rookie 2nd overall pick needs to get sent to Valhalla 

[jetswin]

The only argument against Lefeur making adjustments is he ran a college offense for Streveler last night. 

[ChewyandtheJets]

“I’ll take people to blame besides myself” said Zach Wilson on Jeopardy.   The dude sucks.  So tired of hearing people blaming everyone.  I guess maybe if he was coached a smidge better he would suck a smidge less but that’s all.  

[Augustiniak]

True but the counter argument is what does wilson do well?  His roll out improvs are hit or miss and that’s about it.  You can’t keep him in the pocket and you can’t have him run like fields.  So beyond the rhetoric about creating a system for him, what does this system look like?

[Dunnie]

True but the counter argument is what does wilson do well?  His roll out improvs are hit or miss and that’s about it.  You can’t keep him in the pocket and you can’t have him run like fields.  So beyond the rhetoric about creating a system for him, what does this system look like?

Valid point.

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[kmnj]

No matter how much u try to dress up a pig it is still a pig - Wilson is trash 

[ScarletKnight89]

The main issue is Zach Wilson being bad at his job.

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

Charlie Weiss hates the Jets.  He's a Patriots shill.  While LaFleur shoulders some blame for the recent losses along with an OL that was held together by spit and scotch tape and is now falling apart, how does Weiss explain how good the Jets offense looks with anyone else at QB besides Wilson, from White, to Johnson, to Flacco and even a QB who can't throw the ball 30 yards in Streveler.  Wilson is just not good enough.  It's nobody else's fault.  How many sub 100 yard passing games with players like Wilson, Moore, and Davis does someone need to see?

[Augustiniak]

There’s always going to be media types who want to blame this on the jets and we saw how quickly everyone was thrilled to say that carolina would fix darnold.  

[Bleedin Green]

If only the Jets could get themselves a sample size of let's say 5 different JAG-at-best QBs to run the OC's offense.  Only then maybe we would hope that might be enough to see whether that provides any evidence to show if the offensive plans continually vary for each of them.

I'm sure there's no way that could ever possibly show there to be one who would continuously be the worst of them all.  What an outrageous idea.

[Matt39]

Just now, Augustiniak said:

There’s always going to be media types who want to blame this on the jets and we saw how quickly everyone was thrilled to say that carolina would fix darnold.  

The reporting structure flows up to Joe Douglas. It’s  squarely on him.

[fltflo]

Sorry, but don’t want to here anymore about MLF not adjusting his system to the player. While I agree in certain circumstances it’s imperative that you adjust your program to the talent of the player, but in as far as Zack’s concerned ,that’s not the case.
The proof being, when another QB, even a backup plays in the same system, he looks like an all star.


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[Augustiniak]

1 minute ago, Matt39 said:

The reporting structure flows up to Joe Douglas. It’s  squarely on him.

Many will blame saleh for not hiring the right coaches for wilson.

[bgivs21]

8 minutes ago, jetswin said:

The only argument against Lefeur making adjustments is he ran a college offense for Streveler last night. 

That's not making adjustments. They have certain play packages for Streveler, like how there were play packages for Brad Smith. 

Look at what happened though when MLF didn't call those designed plays for Streveler, it was a nightmare. Strev definitely bailed the offense out with his running ability on those plays. 

[Matt39]

Just now, Augustiniak said:

Many will blame saleh for not hiring the right coaches for wilson.

Douglas is Saleh’s boss. 

[Augustiniak]

Just now, fltflo said:

Sorry, but don’t want to here anymore about MLF not adjusting his system to the player. While I agree in certain circumstances it’s imperative that you adjust your program to the talent of the player, but in as far as Zack’s concerned ,that’s not the case.
The proof being, when another QB, even a backup plays in the same system, he looks like an all star.


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Assuming white plays vs Seattle you’re going to have a bunch of motivated players and coaches gunning to prove just this.

[usapaw]

6 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

True but the counter argument is what does wilson do well?  His roll out improvs are hit or miss and that’s about it.  You can’t keep him in the pocket and you can’t have him run like fields.  So beyond the rhetoric about creating a system for him, what does this system look like?

The ole' "Can't make chicken soup out of chicken sh*t" saying is applicable here. 

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

as a former OC, of course he’s gonna say that

Just like Rex blamed the Detroit loss 100% on Saleh

these talking heads are always ego and agenda driven

[T0mShane]

20 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

 

The guy that helped develop Tom Brady is calling this a colossal failure from an OC standpoint. Paraphrasing ... Said that not developing a system around the QB is a recipe for failure.

 

Said Zach has all the tools and should look to get with a team that has a solid Offensive staff.

 

Did say that the losing currently is absolutely the responsibility of the QB .. because it's the NFL, but said the main issue is the OC.

 

Basically what many here have said ... LaFleur not willing to adjust to a skill set.

 

One thing for sure ....this off-season will be eventful.

 

 

 

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Looking forward to Charlie Weis’s current team offering up lucrative picks for Zach Wilson.

[Sonny Werblin]

8 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

True but the counter argument is what does wilson do well?  His roll out improvs are hit or miss and that’s about it.  You can’t keep him in the pocket and you can’t have him run like fields.  So beyond the rhetoric about creating a system for him, what does this system look like?

7 step drop backs and down field throws is all I got. Basically anything that requires rhythm or timing is out.  

[FootballLove]

I'm not ready (yet) to toss in the towel on LeFleur. The last few games in particular I was shocked at how BAD our entire Oline has been playing. Our running game is getting less than 2 yards a carry. Our longest run was 6 yards. Last night we ran the ball for less than 20 yards ALL GAME. And ZW looked to be under a mountain of D-lineman in around 1.3 seconds most of the time (the few times he had time, he still sucked).

I'm not certain what an OC/PlayCaller can do with zero run game and almost zero time to throw. Oh and with a QB who is as bad as ZW. 

What plays would you call to get the team rolling (can't be a run or pass play)?

[undertow]

Wilson isn't a running QB what system are we talking about?  He's a pocket passer with mobility any system you create for him his base will have to start with operating from the pocket.   MLF prob should call a few more RPOs or rollouts but this narrative has been overstated and played out in an effort to protect the QB. 

[K_O_Brien]

2 minutes ago, fltflo said:

The proof being, when another QB, even a backup plays in the same system, he looks like an all star

Very loose definition of the term 'all star' there. Flacco put up 9 and 12 points in two of his three games. White couldn't manage a passing TD in his last two starts. 

LeFleur is a dead man walking. Nepotism will catch up with you eventually. 

[Prodigal Syndicate]

This is complete nonsense. There is no system that Wilson will thrive in. 

He cannot do even the basic fundamentals of playing the position.

[Lith]

Just now, Prodigal Syndicate said:

This is complete nonsense. There is no system that Wilson will thrive in. 

He cannot do even the basic fundamentals of playing the position.

This.  What system will a guy thirve in if he can't handle pressure, but he also can't hit open receivers 10-15 yards down field on those occasions when he has a clean pocket.  He is a total and complete mess out there.

[Copernicus]

20 minutes ago, ZachStepdad said:

I’ve made this point to many times already MLF sucks doesn’t not know how to create an offense for the players it’s about his system and his system only if the players don’t fit it’s a fire ball….. he’s not Mike Shanahan who has that ability and skill to create offense around players…. But that might come from experience and MLF does not have that. Whoever idea was to sign a rookie offensive staff with a rookie 2nd overall pick needs to get sent to Valhalla 

Yet every player not named Zach Wilson who had played QB under MLF for the Jets has had some level of success. 

[BCJet]

Although I dont love that MLF has had his issues with the WRs, what is wrong with our system?  Every week, regardless of who we are playing we have guys open all over the field.  Was MLF responsible for the wide open guy running the middle of the field that Streveler underthrew by 10 yards or was he not tailoring the offense to Streveler's strengths.

Also, what system should we employ for a QB who cant hit screens, TEs or mid-range throws whatsoever.  Which blocking scheme should we design for a QB with zero pocket presence?

The system works, we have open receivers and until ZW came under center had a running game that was working without our best OL, best RB and with an UDFA as RB.  Not sure what people want this guy to do

[Ron Rico]

36 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

 

Said Zach has all the tools and should look to get with a team that has a solid Offensive staff.

 

"No, really. It's us. It's not you. Here, you take Zach, we'll take your draft picks"

[Sonny Werblin]

Have we seen a game specific game plan form the O? MLF seems to approach every game like he is calling plays against a generic D. He seems to think his scheme wins regardless of the personnel or D style of the opposition.  I can only conclude the he has the Shanahan playbook but lacks any kind of in depth understanding as to why the concepts work and how the schemes and plays mesh against the opposing D. 

For example, the O has the greatest advantage on opening drives because the D has prepared for what they've seen already and the O has had time to decide how best to attack and fool the D by giving it certain looks they've seen on film but doing something new. Crap! this is why so many coaches actually script their first 10 to 20 plays. Even Adam Gase could script successful first drives.  And this is why most weeks the Jets D often has a tough time stopping the opposing O's first drive.

MLF is a pretender. He has someone else's playbook and he has added nothing special to it. It is time to move on.

On the bright side we don't need to worry about ruining our young QB with a change in OC's.

[KINGDIRK]

2 minutes ago, BCJet said:

Although I dont love that MLF has had his issues with the WRs, what is wrong with our system?  Every week, regardless of who we are playing we have guys open all over the field.  Was MLF responsible for the wide open guy running the middle of the field that Streveler underthrew by 10 yards or was he not tailoring the offense to Streveler's strengths.

Also, what system should we employ for a QB who cant hit screens, TEs or mid-range throws whatsoever.  Which blocking scheme should we design for a QB with zero pocket presence?

The system works, we have open receivers and until ZW came under center had a running game that was working without our best OL, best RB and with an UDFA as RB.  Not sure what people want this guy to do

Bingo. I don’t love MLF but we Jets fans complain about every OC DC sand HC since the dawn of time. If MLF is that bad, why does the offense look instantly better when Zach isn’t on the field?

[Sonny Werblin]

22 minutes ago, fltflo said:

Sorry, but don’t want to here anymore about MLF not adjusting his system to the player. While I agree in certain circumstances it’s imperative that you adjust your program to the talent of the player, but in as far as Zack’s concerned ,that’s not the case.
The proof being, when another QB, even a backup plays in the same system, he looks like an all star.


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Yes. The system is QB friendly. Many QB's manage to play well in it all over the NFL. But, it is not MLF's system. We can get any gibroni in here to call plays out of the same playbook. The question is, does MLF add anything to simply having the benefit of the generic Shanahan playbook? I think the answer to that question is pretty clear.

[rldev]

21 minutes ago, FootballLove said:

I'm not ready (yet) to toss in the towel on LeFleur. The last few games in particular I was shocked at how BAD our entire Oline has been playing. Our running game is getting less than 2 yards a carry. Our longest run was 6 yards. Last night we ran the ball for less than 20 yards ALL GAME. And ZW looked to be under a mountain of D-lineman in around 1.3 seconds most of the time (the few times he had time, he still sucked).

I'm not certain what an OC/PlayCaller can do with zero run game and almost zero time to throw. Oh and with a QB who is as bad as ZW. 

What plays would you call to get the team rolling (can't be a run or pass play)?

How about a hurry up offense like the Jags killed us with all game? 

[Ghost]

Wilson is done here. There’s no coming back from this. 

[PositiveJet]

Don’t ban me but Charlie Weis is an idiot. 

Wilsons struggles don’t have anything to do with scheme. He’s missing simple reads and simple throws. He is completely broken mentally and needs to be rebuilt. I blame the head coach moreso than the OC. 
 

Facts are both Saleh and LaFleur had no business developing a QB. They drafted a talented kid and complete ruined him. Both should be held accountable but Saleh is the head coach. He is the one who made the decision to start Zach before he was ready. He also made the decision to bench Zach and then ask him to comeback 3 weeks later and destroy his confidence even further.