Jaxon Smith-Njigba

[Rhg1084]

Another dynamic WR coming out of Ohio State. Would love to pair him with his college teammate Garrett Wilson. 
 

 

 

[derp]

He’s going to be an interesting one. Monster sophomore year playing basically entirely out of the slot, didn’t really play as a junior. Don’t think Jets really need a slot, they need an outside guy. If that’s his pro fit, I think another direction makes more sense.

On the other hand, Justin Jefferson was a similar size and dominated out of the slot in college, he just had the tools to play outside. Not saying JSN is Jefferson, just that teams are going to have to take a more thoughtful look at where he fits than just where he played in college. I think Jefferson’s physical tools were better but we’ll see.

[Lurker89]

As an avid Dynasty guy I'm not sure what to make of JSN... he has been very hyped but I'd like to see how he tests out at the combine. Great route runner but I have height and speed concerns that make me feel like his ceiling is a WR2 in the NFL. 

I currently prefer Addison but this WR class isnt really doing it for me in general.

[Paradis]

Juju 2.0. Talented but best fit is in the slot. 
 

questionable 1st rnd pick 

[maury77]

13 hours ago, Paradis said:

Juju 2.0. Talented but best fit is in the slot. 
 

questionable 1st rnd pick 

Interestingly, if the Jets cut Davis (and I hope they do), Juju might be a nice FA fit for the Jets. Good route runner and YAC guy, which are traits the Jets staff seems to value very highly. 

[Jimmy 2 Times]

He's my dream number 1 pick.  Yes, he was a slot his breakout year, but they would've moved him around everywhere this year.  Think about what he was able to do on a team with Olave and G Wilson.  He WAS the number 1 on that team and his skill translate into exactly what the modern NFL thrives on.  The kid is being completely over looked because he took his time coming back and then shut it down.  He's basically the same size as Wilson although he may be a few pounds heavier so his size isn't an issue at all.  A lot of the board were down on GW because his slighter frame, but he proved to be able to take the physicality of the league. 

Draft him, put him in the slot to get his feet wet, and tear up the league with defenses unable to cover our two beasts. 

 

GW being a good teammate but:

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2021/08/124326/garrett-wilson-says-jaxon-smith-njigba-is-probably-the-best-i-ve-ever-seen-at-wide-receiver

[PepPep]

This is a looking like a pretty weak WR class. Unless we have a shot at Johnston, who I feel has potential to be a real game wrecker in the NFL, I'm not considering a WR at 13.   

[bonkertons]

There are a lot of guys like JSN that I love but I'm trying to stay focused and not get hypnotized by the sexy picks in this draft, lol.  I think the smart play is to solidify the trenches.  OT in the 1st, C in the 2nd.  Boom, done.  IMO, this should be that "boring" draft for us.   

 

I think you can still find a solid WR in the 3rd or 4th who can step in right away and play at a #4 level, maybe even #3 if we hit well enough.  Charlie Jones in the 4th, let him compete with Mims for the #3 job.  At least, that would be my strategy.  Re-evaluate things in '24.  I just think there are more important areas to address early in the draft.  Trust your scouts can find a good one later on.  2022 was a home run as far as drafts go....let's see if JD can pull off another one and find some gems in the 3rd-6th rounds.  

[Chrebetfan80]

I'm higher on JSN than many here i think.  I think his tools just translate too well to the pro game, and he'll be versatile enough to play both inside and out I believe.  I'm interested to see his testing numbers as well, but i think he's a guy that can come in and contribute day one and be a consistent pro wr year in and year out.  Will he be a game breaker? I'm not sure but I do think you wont regret the pick down the line. 

 

That said I pick him in the 20s probably.  If we were to trade down I think i would heavily consider drafting him.  My preferred pick would be an OL in rd 1 and then shoot for a Rashee Rice in rd 2. 

[Paradis]

The Jets went 20 years without drafting a WR in the first round, and only 4 in the second round over that span (Hill, D. Smith, Mims, E Moore) -- mostly abject disasters...

I don't think there's a hope in hell we see a WR called before 3rd round, and that would be because someone slipped (AT Perry, one can dream). Jared Wayne PITT, would be a great day 3 guy that brings a lot to the table that would help this WR room out--

[Jimmy 2 Times]

If they cut Davis to free up money to sign a tackle then receiver is the smart pick.  

Imo it’s one of two positions you should be taking with your first round pick every year (Edge) if you don’t need a tackle. 

[derp]

2 minutes ago, Jimmy 2 Times said:

If they cut Davis to free up money to sign a tackle then receiver is the smart pick.  

Imo it’s one of two positions you should be taking with your first round pick every year (Edge) if you don’t need a tackle. 

This is kind of where I’m at. I don’t think this team is good enough at any of OT, WR, DL, or QB to consider drafting any non premium spot in the first round. Corner would be the one premium position I’d avoid. 

I expect Brian Branch will be very good and the defense could use him, Michael Mayer is a nice prospect, linebacker play could be improved…all of those positions are relatively affordable to upgrade. It’s guys like Sauce and Wilson who’d get big bucks on second contracts that give you outsized value on rookie deals. Get the best guy at a premium spot that fits. Look at the other stuff a little later.

[derp]

27 minutes ago, Chrebetfan80 said:

I'm higher on JSN than many here i think.  I think his tools just translate too well to the pro game, and he'll be versatile enough to play both inside and out I believe.  I'm interested to see his testing numbers as well, but i think he's a guy that can come in and contribute day one and be a consistent pro wr year in and year out.  Will he be a game breaker? I'm not sure but I do think you wont regret the pick down the line. 

 

That said I pick him in the 20s probably.  If we were to trade down I think i would heavily consider drafting him.  My preferred pick would be an OL in rd 1 and then shoot for a Rashee Rice in rd 2. 

I wouldn’t mind a move down to the 20’s to grab JSN on paper, but I’m not X’s and O’s savvy enough to know what they’d need to do schematically to make a WR group of Wilson-JSN-Moore work. Seems like it’d be a West Coast group.

I still like the idea of using Wilson as a target monster and finding someone who will stretch the field on lower volume, but I realize I’m beating a dead horse there. Have the Diggs, add the Gabe Davis kind of thing. Hope the next offensive staff can utilize Moore more effectively than MLF did last year, feel like he is significantly better than he showed and was just a wasted asset.

[Jetsfan80]

[Chrebetfan80]

1 hour ago, derp said:

I wouldn’t mind a move down to the 20’s to grab JSN on paper, but I’m not X’s and O’s savvy enough to know what they’d need to do schematically to make a WR group of Wilson-JSN-Moore work. Seems like it’d be a West Coast group.

I still like the idea of using Wilson as a target monster and finding someone who will stretch the field on lower volume, but I realize I’m beating a dead horse there. Have the Diggs, add the Gabe Davis kind of thing. Hope the next offensive staff can utilize Moore more effectively than MLF did last year, feel like he is significantly better than he showed and was just a wasted asset.

Well thats the thing isnt it? We really dont know what to expect because I dont know how we plan to utilize these guys going forward. Moore was so grossly underutilized in the offense it was alarming, especially because he was such a good fit for what he does well. I think a new guy coming in will have 2 very good wrs in wilson and moore to utilize and they are guys that have shown they are versatile in where you can play them. 

In regards to JSN if it was another west coast guy you can get super creative with this mix of WR's.  The ability to motion in and out of formations moving guys from slot to outside to allowing them to work from tight formations and fully spread.  Could give teams a lot of issues because of their flexibility.  I also like a guy like Rashee Rice for that same thing, I want to see more of the predraft process with him but from what I've heard, hes going to surprise as a route runner and with his testing numbers.  I also like him because he's such a physical alpha personality which I think this offense could use as well.  

However, I do agree with you about adding a guy that can truly take the top off the defense and open things up underneath. Its part of why i was advocating for Williams last year early on.  While the lions couldnt work him in enough to the offense this year think more of how thee dolphins have used hill and waddle to open up the middle of the field for some of their other weapons.  A guy like Hyatt could be that guy as an absolute freak burner to take the top off and make teams keep 2 high safeties.   

I have to do more workup on Hyatt, but I am very intrigued by some things I've heard from my college connections on just how truly elite his speed is. He really could be a 1 touch TD kind of guy at any point. 

A lot to think about but a new OC is needed to really dial in what the offense will need.  

 

[maury77]

7 minutes ago, Chrebetfan80 said:

Well thats the thing isnt it? We really dont know what to expect because I dont know how we plan to utilize these guys going forward. Moore was so grossly underutilized in the offense it was alarming, especially because he was such a good fit for what he does well. I think a new guy coming in will have 2 very good wrs in wilson and moore to utilize and they are guys that have shown they are versatile in where you can play them. 

In regards to JSN if it was another west coast guy you can get super creative with this mix of WR's.  The ability to motion in and out of formations moving guys from slot to outside to allowing them to work from tight formations and fully spread.  Could give teams a lot of issues because of their flexibility.  I also like a guy like Rashee Rice for that same thing, I want to see more of the predraft process with him but from what I've heard, hes going to surprise as a route runner and with his testing numbers.  I also like him because he's such a physical alpha personality which I think this offense could use as well.  

However, I do agree with you about adding a guy that can truly take the top off the defense and open things up underneath. Its part of why i was advocating for Williams last year early on.  While the lions couldnt work him in enough to the offense this year think more of how thee dolphins have used hill and waddle to open up the middle of the field for some of their other weapons.  A guy like Hyatt could be that guy as an absolute freak burner to take the top off and make teams keep 2 high safeties.   

I have to do more workup on Hyatt, but I am very intrigued by some things I've heard from my college connections on just how truly elite his speed is. He really could be a 1 touch TD kind of guy at any point. 

A lot to think about but a new OC is needed to really dial in what the offense will need.  

 

I've been hoping that the Jets could get Hyatt in round 2, but I think he will run sub 4.4 at the combine and go in the first. 

[Chrebetfan80]

Just now, maury77 said:

I've been hoping that the Jets could get Hyatt in round 2, but I think he will run sub 4.4 at the combine and go in the first. 

From what I'm hearing from some guys.  They expect him to be maybe the fastest riser in the draft process.

[derp]

7 minutes ago, Chrebetfan80 said:

Well thats the thing isnt it? We really dont know what to expect because I dont know how we plan to utilize these guys going forward. Moore was so grossly underutilized in the offense it was alarming, especially because he was such a good fit for what he does well. I think a new guy coming in will have 2 very good wrs in wilson and moore to utilize and they are guys that have shown they are versatile in where you can play them. 

In regards to JSN if it was another west coast guy you can get super creative with this mix of WR's.  The ability to motion in and out of formations moving guys from slot to outside to allowing them to work from tight formations and fully spread.  Could give teams a lot of issues because of their flexibility.  I also like a guy like Rashee Rice for that same thing, I want to see more of the predraft process with him but from what I've heard, hes going to surprise as a route runner and with his testing numbers.  I also like him because he's such a physical alpha personality which I think this offense could use as well.  

However, I do agree with you about adding a guy that can truly take the top off the defense and open things up underneath. Its part of why i was advocating for Williams last year early on.  While the lions couldnt work him in enough to the offense this year think more of how thee dolphins have used hill and waddle to open up the middle of the field for some of their other weapons.  A guy like Hyatt could be that guy as an absolute freak burner to take the top off and make teams keep 2 high safeties.   

I have to do more workup on Hyatt, but I am very intrigued by some things I've heard from my college connections on just how truly elite his speed is. He really could be a 1 touch TD kind of guy at any point. 

A lot to think about but a new OC is needed to really dial in what the offense will need.  

 

Totally agree regarding the offense being up in the air. Was more getting at...what can we hope for from an OC hire that would make a JSN pickup feasible versus not quite as likely. Interested to see where you land on Hyatt. He is...very fast. Obviously that's not enough, but some of the production was pretty wild. And I need to dig into Rice at some point. Expect he'll be a favorite.

Back to JSN - I like him as a prospect. Testing wise hopefully he can get sub 4.5 at 6'1 200 - even a 4.49 would be just fine for me. He's got a better frame than Wilson IMO. Ultimately with him, Wilson, and Moore it'd be great to get a QB who can just identify a mismatch and get it out quick enough to one of those guys. I get leery of the team not having a deep threat because of how the offense has looked so compressed without one, but if they can just toss it around without a deep threat I'd be fine with that. There's a part of me that'd just rather add good players than put together this ideal mix of skill sets and figure it out later I do think JSN is going to be a good player so I'm cool going back to the OSU WR well and figuring the rest out later. It'd be awesome to get him in a trade down.

[maury77]

39 minutes ago, derp said:

Totally agree regarding the offense being up in the air. Was more getting at...what can we hope for from an OC hire that would make a JSN pickup feasible versus not quite as likely. Interested to see where you land on Hyatt. He is...very fast. Obviously that's not enough, but some of the production was pretty wild. And I need to dig into Rice at some point. Expect he'll be a favorite.

Back to JSN - I like him as a prospect. Testing wise hopefully he can get sub 4.5 at 6'1 200 - even a 4.49 would be just fine for me. He's got a better frame than Wilson IMO. Ultimately with him, Wilson, and Moore it'd be great to get a QB who can just identify a mismatch and get it out quick enough to one of those guys. I get leery of the team not having a deep threat because of how the offense has looked so compressed without one, but if they can just toss it around without a deep threat I'd be fine with that. There's a part of me that'd just rather add good players than put together this ideal mix of skill sets and figure it out later I do think JSN is going to be a good player so I'm cool going back to the OSU WR well and figuring the rest out later. It'd be awesome to get him in a trade down.

Its hard to scout WR without the all 22, however regarding Hyatt:

1. You don't see a lot of guys that run away from SEC players as often as he did. 

2. He's not just a track start as he has a physical element to his game when he gets the ball in his hands. 

 

[TuscanyTile2]

5 hours ago, bonkertons said:

There are a lot of guys like JSN that I love but I'm trying to stay focused and not get hypnotized by the sexy picks in this draft, lol.  I think the smart play is to solidify the trenches.  OT in the 1st, C in the 2nd.  Boom, done.  IMO, this should be that "boring" draft for us.   

 

I think you can still find a solid WR in the 3rd or 4th who can step in right away and play at a #4 level, maybe even #3 if we hit well enough.  Charlie Jones in the 4th, let him compete with Mims for the #3 job.  At least, that would be my strategy.  Re-evaluate things in '24.  I just think there are more important areas to address early in the draft.  Trust your scouts can find a good one later on.  2022 was a home run as far as drafts go....let's see if JD can pull off another one and find some gems in the 3rd-6th rounds.  

We kind of really do need that boring OL type draft.  The D'Brick/Mangold type draft that was the foundation for the 2 AFC CG runs.  I heard today that the Eagles have 5 pro bowlers on their OL.  Is that possible?!  And we know the Lions are starting to turn it around and they have a terrific OL. 

OTOH, if we could get a game changing WR in the 1st round to go with GW and then a top tier TE (Michael Mayer?) in the 2nd round (not sure  if that's realistic), that would certainly be tempting too.  I think back to Joe Burrow's rookie year where he got injured at the end.  The Bengals drafted Ja'Marr Chase over OL.  And they did just fine.  So there are different approaches.  Of course, we don't have anything close to Joe Burrow at QB so I think OL is likely the better way to go.

[TuscanyTile2]

2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

XJFW!

[Chrebetfan80]

16 hours ago, maury77 said:

Its hard to scout WR without the all 22, however regarding Hyatt:

1. You don't see a lot of guys that run away from SEC players as often as he did. 

2. He's not just a track start as he has a physical element to his game when he gets the ball in his hands. 

 

one or two of my college guys I talk to said he's a skinny tyreek hill.  They think he's that type of player. 

[Chrebetfan80]

17 hours ago, derp said:

Totally agree regarding the offense being up in the air. Was more getting at...what can we hope for from an OC hire that would make a JSN pickup feasible versus not quite as likely. Interested to see where you land on Hyatt. He is...very fast. Obviously that's not enough, but some of the production was pretty wild. And I need to dig into Rice at some point. Expect he'll be a favorite.

Back to JSN - I like him as a prospect. Testing wise hopefully he can get sub 4.5 at 6'1 200 - even a 4.49 would be just fine for me. He's got a better frame than Wilson IMO. Ultimately with him, Wilson, and Moore it'd be great to get a QB who can just identify a mismatch and get it out quick enough to one of those guys. I get leery of the team not having a deep threat because of how the offense has looked so compressed without one, but if they can just toss it around without a deep threat I'd be fine with that. There's a part of me that'd just rather add good players than put together this ideal mix of skill sets and figure it out later I do think JSN is going to be a good player so I'm cool going back to the OSU WR well and figuring the rest out later. It'd be awesome to get him in a trade down.

The thing with JSN is you know what youre getting.  Guy is a great route runner, has great body control and feel.  He'll get open at the next level and catch the ball.  Thats what this game is about now. BIG physical guys still have a place in the nfl for sure, but teams covet speed and route running more and more as defenders get better at taking away things.  

He may not be the best pick for the jets, but he'll be a consistent pro and someone that can get open wherever you put him.  Hard to stop an offense when you have 2-3 of those guys. 

[derp]

3 minutes ago, Chrebetfan80 said:

one or two of my college guys I talk to said he's a skinny tyreek hill.  They think he's that type of player. 

Would make a huge difference for the offense to have that kind of a guy.

Given the Hyatt comparison, was wondering if there’s someone you’d compare JSN to based on what you’ve seen.

Saw you just replied. Totally agree with your idea and that’s kind of what I was trying to get at towards the end of my last post. Hopefully the thought process segues into the comparison question. 

[Chrebetfan80]

Not that anyone should be surprised, hartline was easily the best wr coach in the country but OSU must have been worried about him leaving for a promotion, they named him OC this week.

[maury77]

16 minutes ago, Chrebetfan80 said:

one or two of my college guys I talk to said he's a skinny tyreek hill.  They think he's that type of player. 

Different builds though. Tyreek is thicker and more compact which allows him to move like a pinball out there. Hyatt is maybe ...... a rich man's Robby Anderson? Tougher and stronger, but a thin long strider that glides and tracks deep balls like a center fielder. 

[Chrebetfan80]

1 hour ago, maury77 said:

Different builds though. Tyreek is thicker and more compact which allows him to move like a pinball out there. Hyatt is maybe ...... a rich man's Robby Anderson? Tougher and stronger, but a thin long strider that glides and tracks deep balls like a center fielder. 

yeah the comparison is not good on a physical side, i think they were more comparing his ability to be a game breaker that could take screens to the house at any moment or someone that can have the speed to get those insanely deep crosses that hill was able to do in KC.  Obviously physically hill is a much thicker player. 

[Chrebetfan80]

1 hour ago, derp said:

Would make a huge difference for the offense to have that kind of a guy.

Given the Hyatt comparison, was wondering if there’s someone you’d compare JSN to based on what you’ve seen.

Saw you just replied. Totally agree with your idea and that’s kind of what I was trying to get at towards the end of my last post. Hopefully the thought process segues into the comparison question. 

You know.  Its been tough for me to think about that one.  I have to go back and look and see who I would compare him to. 

Like Rashee Rice i keep getting Cotchery Vibes from.  Thick kid thats ultra competitive not a burner but runs good routes, good after the catch, and can be aggressive for the ball in the air.  I think Rice is mindset is more alpha than Jco though. 

JSN is a little harder to nail down, I could see him being a similar player to Robert Woods?  Similar style, good route runners, good body control, you can move them around, good blockers in the run game, pretty much the exact same size.  I think thats the best ive come up with for him. 

[BCJet]

Why are we writing off Elijiah Moore as our starting slot?  He will be out of the OC's doghouse and will hopefully be used properly (FINALLY).  He also has 2 more years on a rookie deal - investing more draft capital or FA $$ in that position isnt smart, especially when you can backup the slot position with someone like Berrios or jeff smith at the proper price. 

We definitely need to have playmakers but when I look at the landscape of the AFC over the next 5 years, we need an elite defense.  Even if we draft Johnson at 13 to pair with GW, Moore and Breece Im not sure that group starts suddenly outscoring Allen, Mahomes, Herbert etc (and now we are looking at Lawerence being around for the next 10 years in playoff contention). 

I would rather bring back Davis at a lower cap number or replace him with another bigger, veteran (maybe Allen Lazard depending on price) and focus our draft on OL, OLB, safety and DT.  We have to figure out how to stop the run on early downs in this scheme and hopefully Saleh recognizes that issue. 

[Jets Voice of Reason]

Like the player, but don't think he's necessarily going to be what the Jets need right now. For a high 2? sign me up if they like him enough. But the Jets keep stacking up these guys who demand slot reps and need a better outside and deep threat.

[Augustiniak]

You’d think the pick is either OL or wr depending on what they do in FA.  Odds are douglas and the OC are on board with using moore better, so that would skew the pick towards OL.  Do they rely on mims though, or would they look to bring in another taller wr?  

[sec101row23]

On 1/17/2023 at 9:51 AM, Chrebetfan80 said:

You know.  Its been tough for me to think about that one.  I have to go back and look and see who I would compare him to. 

Like Rashee Rice i keep getting Cotchery Vibes from.  Thick kid thats ultra competitive not a burner but runs good routes, good after the catch, and can be aggressive for the ball in the air.  I think Rice is mindset is more alpha than Jco though. 

JSN is a little harder to nail down, I could see him being a similar player to Robert Woods?  Similar style, good route runners, good body control, you can move them around, good blockers in the run game, pretty much the exact same size.  I think thats the best ive come up with for him. 

Agreed.  I really like Rashee.   I thought for the prior system he would be perfect because he can give you some boundary X ability, while also having the lateral quickness to use in bunch sets and intermediate routes.   He may test faster than thought and it may push him up the board a little.  Interested to see him in Mobile and how he runs some different routes.   There’s not a ton of versatility on tape from him given the SMU offfense.  

[Chrebetfan80]

15 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

Agreed.  I really like Rashee.   I thought for the prior system he would be perfect because he can give you some boundary X ability, while also having the lateral quickness to use in bunch sets and intermediate routes.   He may test faster than thought and it may push him up the board a little.  Interested to see him in Mobile and how he runs some different routes.   There’s not a ton of versatility on tape from him given the SMU offfense.  

Yea hes going to be a fun watch down there for sure.  I think he can fit a lot of what were looking for with his versatility.  He's a great 50/50 guy which we dont quite have right now so he gives you that and if he times fast then maybe he solves that deep threat issue.  I think right now if you asked me my two favorite WR targets for the jets in this draft. Its Rice and Hyatt.  

[Guilhermezmc]

we need a guy who can make contested catches is he the one?

[OilfieldJet]

On 1/15/2023 at 6:08 PM, PepPep said:

This is a looking like a pretty weak WR class. Unless we have a shot at Johnston, who I feel has potential to be a real game wrecker in the NFL, I'm not considering a WR at 13.   

Mike Evans 2.0, love the guy and the only choice I would make if he is there at 13 other than OL.