Popular Post A Jet from Oz Posted December 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 25, 2022 Everyone seems to look at Ozzie Newsome as the ‘gold standard’ when it comes to the NFL draft. Those calling for JD’s head because of Zach Wilson need to look at Ozzie Newsome’s record and realise… as long as you hit 50% of the time (yes, even in the first round), it’ll all work out. The first QB Ozzie ever picked was Kyle Boller. The second (five years later) was Flacco. The third was Lamar. 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Irish Jet Posted December 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 25, 2022 Douglas made some nice picks last year. But he has not picked Jonathan Ogden, Ray Lewis, Peter Boulware, Ed Reed, Terrell Suggs, Chris McAllister, Todd Heap, Jamal Lewis before missing on the QB. Newsome had. He’d also won a SB. Let’s not get crazy with the comparisons here. 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LockeJET Posted December 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 25, 2022 Boller is a HOFer compared to Zach 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jgb Posted December 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, LockeJET said: Boller is a HOFer compared to Zach So is MW… literally 6 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Anthony Jet Posted December 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 25, 2022 17 minutes ago, jgb said: So is MW… literally 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TuscanyTile2 Posted December 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Irish Jet said: Douglas made some nice picks last year. But he has not picked Jonathan Ogden, Ray Lewis, Peter Boulware, Ed Reed, Terrell Suggs, Chris McAllister, Todd Heap, Jamal Lewis before missing on the QB. Newsome had. He’d also won a SB. Let’s not get crazy with the comparisons here. Sure JD has! Becton = Ogden Daphne Zuniga = Boulware Ashtyn Davis = Ed Reed La'Mical Perine = Jamal Lewis 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 JD hasn’t done sh*t yet but oversee a team that under his tenure 2019 no playoffs 2020 no playoffs 2021 no playoffs 2022 TBD but not looking good. Eventually you gotta win. Trades, drafts, etc. need results. Eventually you need results 3 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 Here is Ozzie Newsome's draft history. I think it starts in 1996? plenty of misses there. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rav/draft.htm 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Anthony Jet Posted December 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 25, 2022 36 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: JD hasn’t done sh*t yet but oversee a team that under his tenure 2019 no playoffs 2020 no playoffs 2021 no playoffs 2022 TBD but not looking good. Eventually you gotta win. Trades, drafts, etc. need results. Eventually you need results You should tell him 1 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post the Claw Posted December 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 25, 2022 The team is positioned, personnel-wise, for a very strong year next year. The core of the team is mostly established so they should be able to swap out and add a few pieces to put together what should be a playoff team. I think JD has done a really good job considering what he had to start with and how his tenure started. Wanting to get rid of him at this point is, imo, silly. Sure he’s missed a few but he’s shown improvement and he’s put together a team that is best one we’ve seen in a decade. I think he’s earned the right to let this play out. Without some injuries, this is a team that can go toe to toe with the top teams in the league in it’s current iteration. Work to fix some spots on the offense and get a speedier LB and maybe a FS and they could easily contend next season. The team has met my expectations. I predicted 6-8 wins with mostly competitive losses and I was pretty close. I’m quite pleased with the direction the team is going personnel-wise. 4 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Joe W. Namath Posted December 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 25, 2022 Joe D is hear for the next 10 plus years. He is the best young gm in the game. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 1 hour ago, k-met57 said: Here is Ozzie Newsome's draft history. I think it starts in 1996? plenty of misses there. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rav/draft.htm Peope often mistake mythology for historical fact. It’s frustrating to have discussions with people who believe their impression of how something occurred is the actual factual record. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Joe the Breadman Posted December 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 25, 2022 Merry Christmas all. JoeD is going nowhere....i am with the " he will be here for awhile " faction. This conversation probably is not happening if BHall, AVT and CDavis had not become injured. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 47 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said: Peope often mistake mythology for historical fact. It’s frustrating to have discussions with people who believe their impression of how something occurred is the actual factual record. yep. thats why i cant stand the maybe mark sanchez wasnt so bad discourse of 2022. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dunnie Posted December 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 25, 2022 I am with the crowd that has actual patience. JD isn't going anywhere ... Move on.Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk 3 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 3 hours ago, kevinc855 said: JD hasn’t done sh*t yet but oversee a team that under his tenure 2019 no playoffs 2020 no playoffs 2021 no playoffs 2022 TBD but not looking good. Eventually you gotta win. Trades, drafts, etc. need results. Eventually you need results Plus he threatened to break your legs over simply telling the truth about Zach Wilson 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 6 hours ago, Irish Jet said: Douglas made some nice picks last year. But he has not picked Jonathan Ogden, Ray Lewis, Peter Boulware, Ed Reed, Terrell Suggs, Chris McAllister, Todd Heap, Jamal Lewis before missing on the QB. Newsome had. He’d also won a SB. Let’s not get crazy with the comparisons here. C'mon man, he's the best GM we've had in over 2 decades. Can't give up on him yet. Look at last years draft how it transformed this team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gastineau Lives Posted December 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 25, 2022 3 hours ago, kevinc855 said: JD hasn’t done sh*t yet but oversee a team that under his tenure 2019 no playoffs 2020 no playoffs 2021 no playoffs 2022 TBD but not looking good. Eventually you gotta win. Trades, drafts, etc. need results. Eventually you need results ^^^^Biased against JD and also pretzels now. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 3 hours ago, kevinc855 said: JD hasn’t done sh*t yet but oversee a team that under his tenure 2019 no playoffs 2020 no playoffs 2021 no playoffs 2022 TBD but not looking good. Eventually you gotta win. Trades, drafts, etc. need results. Eventually you need results Kev, you really think we can do better than JD right now? You're delusional man. He just had the best draft since 2000 for this team. Best in the league last draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 6 hours ago, A Jet from Oz said: Everyone seems to look at Ozzie Newsome as the ‘gold standard’ when it comes to the NFL draft. Those calling for JD’s head because of Zach Wilson need to look at Ozzie Newsome’s record and realise… as long as you hit 50% of the time (yes, even in the first round), it’ll all work out. The first QB Ozzie ever picked was Kyle Boller. The second (five years later) was Flacco. The third was Lamar. 2020 draft- struck out multiple times 2021 draft- struck out with bases loaded '(Zach Wilson) 2022 draft - 4 homeruns (Sauce, Wilson, Hall and Clemmons), 1 walk (Ruckert], 1 fly out (Mitchell) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 1 minute ago, TNJet said: C'mon man, he's the best GM we've had in over 2 decades. Can't give up on him yet. Look at last years draft how it transformed this team. I didn’t say to give up on him but let’s not carried away. The 2020 debacle, the average at best FA signings, Zach Wilson ahead of Chase, Sewell, Waddle while we ignored the ransom on offer from SF. We’ve been impressed at the progress this season but that’s as much to do with how bad we were over his first three years than it is about how good we are now. If you grade each move individually there’s more bad than good in truth. The 2022 draft has bought him time. Tanny had a similarly amazing draft in 2006 followed it up with one of the greatest corners ever soon after - He still went to sh*t. Douglas still has a lot to prove. He’s put together a decent roster while investing a ton of capital but the QB fiasco overshadows a lot of it. How he solves that going forward will go a long way to determine whether he succeeds here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlito1171 Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 Look man....I think you can do a lot worse then JD as a GM....he's done some good things and had some grave misses.... But the fact of the matter is Ozzie Newsome had multiple winning seasons and eventually 2 rings to fall back on. JD is 20-44 since becoming the Jets GM. If he doesn't upgrade QB and OL this offseason, leading us into the playoffs, he's a goner...and rightfully so.....waiting 5+ years to return to the playoffs when a number of teams during this span have rebuilt in 2 years is crazy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said: Joe D is hear for the next 10 plus years. He is the best young gm in the game. His accolades are amazing! 2020 - the entire draft was pure hot garbage 2021- Zach Wilson. Should I patronize? 2022- draft was an A; free agency a C (Tomlinson, overrated TEs) Let's wait how he handles the QB. He already stuck out (Flacco, Hackenberg and Wilson) on that department and still can't manage a punter. Stop kissing ass! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 18 minutes ago, TNJet said: Kev, you really think we can do better than JD right now? You're delusional man. He just had the best draft since 2000 for this team. Best in the league last draft. There are monkeys in the primate house at the Bronx zoo who could throw their feces at an athelon magazine and make better draft decisions than JD By the way I've seen this Kyle boller comparison before it's one thing to over draft a qb at 19 its another to do it at 2 overall. Jd is screwed and by extension so is Saleh and so are we for being fans of this debacle 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCCH23 Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 6 hours ago, Irish Jet said: Douglas made some nice picks last year. But he has not picked Jonathan Ogden, Ray Lewis, Peter Boulware, Ed Reed, Terrell Suggs, Chris McAllister, Todd Heap, Jamal Lewis before missing on the QB. Newsome had. He’d also won a SB. Let’s not get crazy with the comparisons here. So it's OK to whiff on a first round quarterback if you make up for it in other areas? Isn't that exactly what Douglas has been doing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 4 hours ago, kevinc855 said: JD hasn’t done sh*t yet but oversee a team that under his tenure 2019 no playoffs 2020 no playoffs 2021 no playoffs 2022 TBD but not looking good. Eventually you gotta win. Trades, drafts, etc. need results. Eventually you need results 2019 wasn’t on JD. 2022 we contended. Actually technically still are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 45 minutes ago, TNJet said: Kev, you really think we can do better than JD right now? You're delusional man. He just had the best draft since 2000 for this team. Best in the league last draft. We are a sub 500 team with no qb color me not impressed 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 7 hours ago, Irish Jet said: Douglas made some nice picks last year. But he has not picked Jonathan Ogden, Ray Lewis, Peter Boulware, Ed Reed, Terrell Suggs, Chris McAllister, Todd Heap, Jamal Lewis before missing on the QB. Newsome had. He’d also won a SB. Let’s not get crazy with the comparisons here. How do you know that Sauce, Hall, GW won’t deserve a spot on that list? Todd Heap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jet2020 Posted December 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 25, 2022 4 hours ago, kevinc855 said: JD hasn’t done sh*t yet but oversee a team that under his tenure 2019 no playoffs 2020 no playoffs 2021 no playoffs 2022 TBD but not looking good. Eventually you gotta win. Trades, drafts, etc. need results. Eventually you need results We are in rebuild mode. Give it another 6-7 years. Darn Jets fans…just no patience. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 Just now, kevinc855 said: We are a sub 500 team with no qb color me not impressed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 4 hours ago, kevinc855 said: JD hasn’t done sh*t yet but oversee a team that under his tenure 2019 no playoffs 2020 no playoffs 2021 no playoffs 2022 TBD but not looking good. Eventually you gotta win. Trades, drafts, etc. need results. Eventually you need results cool - let's ignore how disgusting the roster was when he took over compared to how promising it is today. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: We are a sub 500 team with no qb color me not impressed And way better than we were last season. All we ever ask for is improvement each year. If we improve on this record next year we can be looking at a 10-7 team in the postseason. Thats better odds than scrapping it all and starting over again to just keep on sucking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTL Jet Fan Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 18 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: We are a sub 500 team with no qb color me not impressed Who would be your candidate if JD was replaced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlito1171 Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 2 hours ago, OCCH23 said: So it's OK to whiff on a first round quarterback if you make up for it in other areas? Isn't that exactly what Douglas has been doing? Sure....when you're a perennial playoff team and win 2 SBs... JD is 24-40 as GM. GMs with that record rarely get a shot at picking a 2nd after missing so badly on 1st. It's the nature of the business.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 2 hours ago, FTL Jet Fan said: Who would be your candidate if JD was replaced? Tom shane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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