Derek Carr benched and likely out in Las Vegas

[bla bla bla]

Just now, TuscanyTile2 said:

Because Carr is so good?

I think Carr needs a fresh start, Raiders fans seem to believe the same thing. Going this route and making Carr look bad will allow him to make Carr the scape-goat and easier to move on to HIS QB. 

[TuscanyTile2]

3 minutes ago, bla bla bla said:

I think Carr needs a fresh start, Raiders fans seem to believe the same thing. Going this route and making Carr look bad will allow him to make Carr the scape-goat and easier to move on to HIS QB. 

If he becomes a UFA, will there be a "Carr chase"?

[choon328]

32 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said:

Their season is over and he’s being protected from injury for a potential trade according to Jeremy Fowler

It's not for a trade, it's to stop an injury that would guarantee his $40 million base salary next year. The have no leverage in a trade since he has a full no trade clause and they have to make a move within 3 days of the season ending or the $40 million will be guaranteed, then no team will trade for him at that number. He'll be released the day after the Super Bowl. 

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

 

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2 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said:

 

That's a really tough throw to make running the opposite direction.

[nj meadowlands]

4 hours ago, SouthernJet said:

mcdaniels ruined that team. adams waller renfow,,,josh mcdaniels destroys offenses.. dont put blame on carr for a new crappy playbook he inherited from a dunce

He's not the worst option out there, that's for sure.  I'm just afraid of his trajectory.

I'd take him over Mayfield / Brady / Tannehill.

[Sperm Edwards]

3 hours ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

Now let's do Rodgers: It's just as long for 4x the guaranteed money. Plus he is testing positive for Geritol (he's old) and he's an ass and he looks washed up. The risk in bringing Rodgers here is far greater given his age and his contract.  I also believe this contract makes him untradeable.  The Packers would take a massive cap hit - and if not - then the team acquiring him would.

Current Contract

Aaron Rodgers signed a 3 year, $150,815,000 contract with the Green Bay Packers, including a $40,800,000 signing bonus, $150,815,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $50,271,667. In 2022, Rodgers will earn a base salary of $1,150,000, a signing bonus of $40,800,000 and a workout bonus of $50,000, while carrying a cap hit of $28,533,569 and a dead cap value of $151,047,137.

CONTRACT TERMS:3 yr(s) / $150,815,000

SIGNING BONUS$40,800,000

AVERAGE SALARY$50,271,667

GTD AT SIGN:$101,515,000

TOTAL GTD:$150,815,000

FREE AGENT:2025 / UFA

				BONUS BREAKDOWN					CAP DETAILS		CASH DETAILS
YEAR		AGE	BASE SALARY	SIGNING	ROSTER	OPTION	WORKOUT	RESTRUCTURE	CAP HIT	DEAD CAP	YEARLY CASH
2022		39	$1,150,000	$24,481,569	-	-	$50,000	$2,852,000	$28,533,569	$151,047,137	$42,000,000($42,000,000)
2023		40	$1,165,000	$12,981,568	-	$14,575,000	$50,000	$2,852,000	$31,623,568	$99,778,568	$59,515,000($101,515,000)
POTENTIAL OUT: 2024, 2 YR, $101,515,000; $24,480,000 DEAD CAP
2024		41	$2,250,000	$8,160,000	-	$30,241,667	$50,000	-	$40,701,667	$24,480,000	$49,300,000($150,815,000)
2025		42	$15,850,000	$8,160,000	$5,000,000	$30,241,667	$50,000	-	$59,301,667	$16,320,000	$20,900,000($171,715,000)
2026		43	$10,000,000	$8,160,000	$5,000,000	$30,241,667	$50,000	-	$53,451,667	$8,160,000	$15,050,000($186,765,000)
2025		44	UFA

My top concern with Rodgers is he’s the most likely to get moody enough to just quit, with an eff-this, I don’t need this anymore attitude. He was posturing that way with GB not so long ago.

Also how grating it is for a teammate - even an all time great - to sport his, “It’s everyone/anyone else’s fault but mine,” attitude. Not everyone wants to go to war, figuratively speaking, for this prick to get even more people fawning over him as though everyone else is along for the ride (if that were true he’d have 10 rings by now).

The money/hit I could get past, significant as it is. Every year this team has carried at least $20-30MM in nonessential players to bring that back to a manageable amount. It’s affordable; just makes the margin of error less for hitting on those around him. e.g. no $10MM backup tackles and such.

[TuscanyTile2]

7 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Yeah, he's so "washed up" that he can still throw for 4,178 yards, 21 TDs and 9 INTs, with a 66% completion percentage.

 

Tom Brady:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00.htm

 

Derek Carr:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CarrDe02.htm

 

@GREENBEAN

[Dcat]

9 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

This is how I see it, too.

For all the drama that we overanalyze for our own team, every team has things that suck, including playoff & super bowl teams. 

The Jets could - or anyway, should - be the next TB-to-TB destination. Young team; showed it can score points when the QB isn't choking or on a stretcher; young weapons; ability to come in here with that going for it & you the QB look like it was all you that did it. Tampa was a great situation for any legit QB who wasn't committing 40 turnovers, never mind that Brady was still so much better than most on top of that.

Now Carr may not want to come here for his own reasons, but on the off-chance he gets released due to $ it'd be malpractice for JD to not at least throw a 7th round offer. As a FA he'll get 2-3 seasons fully guaranteed; his current contract has just the upcoming one + another $7.5MM guaranteed for injury. If he's one & done here it's not the end of the world, and easier to move on, than picking him up as a FA. And if he wouldn't agree to a trade to the Jets (he has a full no-trade clause), then he's probably not signing a new contract here either unless JD was to guarantee him $40MM/year until he turns 40 himself. 

No one wants his new team to have to give up 1st rounders that'd help him succeed in his new destination. 

His current contract is 2023 salary: $33MM and 2024: $42MM. Raiders can (and likely will) opt out by 2/15 and only have the leftover parts of the 7.5MM signing bonus to hit the cap.  Otherwise all of 2023 and part of 2024 becomes guaranteed.  Do you think Carr hauls that in as a free agent?  I don't.  Even with a modest signing bonus, I'd think that most teams would rather a new deal than stuck with those figures for the next 2 years. With a trade, part of that 2024 salary will be locked in on top of the $33 for next year.

 

[JoeNameless]

This can't be something to Ponder.  There's no time.  YES, Mike White is a Good QB.  Derek Carr is better.  No one makes it on the Raiders Team.

 

[VJphillyfan]

Carr is going to the highest bidder after he gets cut

[VJphillyfan]

8 hours ago, Zachtomims47 said:

 

People were making similar criticisms of cousins a few years ago when he got on the open market

[Dcat]

1 minute ago, VJphillyfan said:

Carr is going to the highest bidder after he gets cut

I doubt anyone locks into $33 followed by $44 MM guaranteed for the next 2 years.  He'll either be cut or kept. They have until 2/15 until his 2023 and part of 2024 become guaranteed. If he's cut, I'd imagine he's come close to 25MM maybe less. 

[Dcat]

ps there is already a carr thread, I think

[VJphillyfan]

1 minute ago, Dcat said:

I doubt anyone locks into $33 followed by $44 MM guaranteed for the next 2 years.  He'll either be cut or kept. They have until 2/15 until his 2023 and part of 2024 become guaranteed. If he's cut, I'd imagine he's come close to 25MM maybe less. 

No one needs to trade for Carr. The writing is on the wall. McDaniels is scapegoating him for the season

[JonMcgraw38]

13 minutes ago, Dcat said:

I doubt anyone locks into $33 followed by $44 MM guaranteed for the next 2 years.  He'll either be cut or kept. They have until 2/15 until his 2023 and part of 2024 become guaranteed. If he's cut, I'd imagine he's come close to 25MM maybe less. 

It’s not a terrible contract. 

2023 Carr is making $35MM after that it goes up to $44 for 24 and 25, but you can cut him without any cap penalties. He’s essentially on a 1 year deal for 3 straight years. 

[Mike135]

Nope.  Dude is horrible in cold weather.

[Dcat]

18 minutes ago, JonMcgraw38 said:

It’s not a terrible contract. 

2023 Carr is making $35MM after that it goes up to $44 for 24 and 25, but you can cut him without any cap penalties. He’s essentially on a 1 year deal for 3 straight years. 

on 2/15/2023, his entire 2023 $33 MM plus a percentage of his 2024 $42MM salary become guaranteed. So if he's cut after spending $33MM for one lousy year, then the Jets are still stuck with a major part of his 2024 guarantee.  No thanks.  Just wait for the Raiduhs to cut him.

[Sperm Edwards]

1 hour ago, Dcat said:

His current contract is 2023 salary: $33MM and 2024: $42MM. Raiders can (and likely will) opt out by 2/15 and only have the leftover parts of the 7.5MM signing bonus to hit the cap.  Otherwise all of 2023 and part of 2024 becomes guaranteed.  Do you think Carr hauls that in as a free agent?  I don't.  Even with a modest signing bonus, I'd think that most teams would rather a new deal than stuck with those figures for the next 2 years. With a trade, part of that 2024 salary will be locked in on top of the $33 for next year.

 

In excess of $40MM fully guaranteed at signing? Yes I think UFA Derek Carr gets that.

• Bridgewater got $33MM guaranteed at signing from the Panthers 3 years earlier. That was coming off a 6-game stretch where he threw 9 TDs & averaged just under 230 yards. 
• Then factor in how many recent draft pick QBs haven't panned out as hoped (the Jets alone, drafting two of them), showing the other side of that coin.
• FFS people are talking of paying Garoppolo $30MM or more per season. A ****ing game manager playing in - as a rookie 7th rounder is showing - just about the cushiest QB spot in the league; who can't stay on the field; whose team gave up all those 1st rounders to move on from him; who was just forced to accept a pay cut that'd have been as low as $7MM if Lance could stay on the field to start more than 2 games. And people are talking of him getting this much $ per season as though that's not ****ing insane. 

So yes I think that (warts and all) a 32 yr-old QB who averages 4000 yards and 25 TDs per season, despite playing for now 6 different HCs in 10 years, who hasn't missed a start to injury in nearly 100 games (and counting), gets that quite easily.

[Sperm Edwards]

7 hours ago, Dcat said:

I doubt anyone locks into $33 followed by $44 MM guaranteed for the next 2 years.  He'll either be cut or kept. They have until 2/15 until his 2023 and part of 2024 become guaranteed. If he's cut, I'd imagine he's come close to 25MM maybe less. 

The more I think about it, the less likely I think a trade will happen, but for different reasons than you're outlining. I think it's because he'll veto any trade, not because no one will offer. 

I think anyone considering signing him will jump at the opportunity to trade at least something for him. If he's just a 1-year starter, a $7.5MM guaranteed $ penalty for y2 is a small risk.

But Carr is likely to get more than $40MM fully guaranteed as a FA. The most likely way he gets traded is if the next team agrees to redo his contract after the trade's done. 

Of course, March is just around the corner so we'll find out what he'll command before ya know it. My guess is he makes a redo/restructure - with more guaranteed $ than just the $40MM trigger that's upcoming on/after day 5 - part of not-vetoing any trade. 

[JETS SB]

Why, he is on the decline, currently a below average QB, an under performer and he always has had weapons. Plus he has historically been bad in the cold weather. Only way I would want him is if DA somehow came with him. But it’s not likely. So no. Rather have Lamar or draft a guy and have a lesser priced QB with combo of Minshew/White/Wilson depending how White does when the job is actually his, these next two weeks, which I don’t have a good feeling about. No Derek Carr for me. 

[Fantasy Island]

I love Carr!

Derek too, but I think he retires as a Raider.

[BornJetsFan1983]

3 hours ago, JoeNameless said:

This can't be something to Ponder.  There's no time.  YES, Mike White is a Good QB.  Derek Carr is better.  No one makes it on the Raiders Team.

 

Lol yes hurry before taco bell gets him

[Dcat]

6 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

In excess of $40MM fully guaranteed at signing? Yes I think UFA Derek Carr gets that.

• Bridgewater got $33MM guaranteed at signing from the Panthers 3 years earlier. That was coming off a 6-game stretch where he threw 9 TDs & averaged just under 230 yards. 
• Then factor in how many recent draft pick QBs haven't panned out as hoped (the Jets alone, drafting two of them), showing the other side of that coin.
• FFS people are talking of paying Garoppolo $30MM or more per season. A ****ing game manager playing in - as a rookie 7th rounder is showing - just about the cushiest QB spot in the league; who can't stay on the field; whose team gave up all those 1st rounders to move on from him; who was just forced to accept a pay cut that'd have been as low as $7MM if Lance could stay on the field to start more than 2 games. And people are talking of him getting this much $ per season as though that's not ****ing insane. 

So yes I think that (warts and all) a 32 yr-old QB who averages 4000 yards and 25 TDs per season, despite playing for now 6 different HCs in 10 years, who hasn't missed a start to injury in nearly 100 games (and counting), gets that quite easily.

agree to disagree.  That's a pretty high price for the guy.  

[Hal N of Provo]

6 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

The more I think about it, the less likely I think a trade will happen, but for different reasons than you're outlining. I think it's because he'll veto any trade, not because no one will offer. 

I think anyone considering signing him will jump at the opportunity to trade at least something for him. If he's just a 1-year starter, a $7.5MM guaranteed $ penalty for y2 is a small risk.

But Carr is likely to get more than $40MM fully guaranteed as a FA. The most likely way he gets traded is if the next team agrees to redo his contract after the trade's done. 

Of course, March is just around the corner so we'll find out what he'll command before ya know it. My guess is he makes a redo/restructure - with more guaranteed $ than just the $40MM trigger that's upcoming on/after day 5 - part of not-vetoing any trade. 

He is the best free agent option this season.   I agree he will get a big contract and probably is incentivized to reject trade deals - without getting a new deal.  

[Sperm Edwards]

22 minutes ago, Dcat said:

agree to disagree.  That's a pretty high price for the guy.  

The thing is they're all high prices. This is the price for someone with a 0% chance of being not just a total useless person like Wilson is now, but having to make the team suffer through the optimism-over-results process for 2+ years after drafting one.

Whether it's Carr, or Tannehill should Tenn's new GM dump him a little early, or JG -- these are all flawed QBs where even fans can see it plain as day. But they've also all shown they belong on a football field, even if they're not in that top 5-10 range. They're all legit starters, and an average starter on an otherwise solid team can squeak into the playoffs where he & the team just need to get hot for 2-3 straight games.

That's how Flacco has a ring, and how some others got to & won super bowl rings before him. Is Carr so much worse than Flacco was viewed after the 2010 or 2011 offseason? Was Eli not obviously flawed & error-prone as a QB? Of course he was, and he has two rings. 

I think at least 1 GM - and probably at least a couple - will take that gamble over putting all their hard work into the next totally-unknown rookie who may not be half as good as these flawed veterans.

That's why these types keep getting paid. Sometimes it even pans out. But we'll find out in the next 2 months how this goes down so if you're right you can join some others & point and laugh at me . 

[TuscanyTile2]

TB12 gets criticized as being "washed up" but his numbers are a good deal better than Derek's Carr's this year, despite all the craziness in his life.

As far as his contract situation, I can't imagine we'd be locked in for anything more than a year-to-year type deal, and he makes far less than Carr.  Plus, Brady is the greatest winner in the history of the sport.  And if there's any hope of revitalizing ZW, I'm sure there's a LOT he can learn from TB12.

If it's a choice between Brady and Carr then it's no choice at all.  Brady is the EASY winner.  

 

Tom Brady:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00.htm

 

Derek Carr:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CarrDe02.htm

 

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tampa-bay-buccaneers/tom-brady-4619/

[ylekram]

16 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

TB12 gets criticized as being "washed up" but his numbers are a good deal better than Derek's Carr's this year, despite all the craziness in his life.

As far as his contract situation, I can't imagine we'd be locked in for anything more than a year-to-year type deal, and he makes far less than Carr.  Plus, Brady is the greatest winner in the history of the sport.  And if there's any hope of revitalizing ZW, I'm sure there's a LOT he can learn from TB12.

If it's a choice between Brady and Carr then it's no choice at all.  Brady is the EASY winner.  

 

Tom Brady:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00.htm

 

Derek Carr:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CarrDe02.htm

 

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tampa-bay-buccaneers/tom-brady-4619/

as sure as water is wet and fire will burn, Brady wont so much as sign an autograph in NY, never mind a contract

[56mehl56]

8 hours ago, Mike135 said:

Nope.  Dude is horrible in cold weather.

I've seen this posted a few times. Are there actual stats to back it up ? 

This was all I could find - His awful record of 2-9 under 50 degrees and a 0-4 record under 40 degrees will follow him until he starts to string together wins in the cold weather.

An 11 game sample is hardly significant when he's started over 140 games in his career.  And when most probably came against better teams ( KC, Den ) or against better teams in playoffs 

[Adoni Beast]

9 hours ago, VJphillyfan said:

Carr is going to the highest bidder after he gets cut

Which won’t be us.

[Adoni Beast]

29 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

TB12 gets criticized as being "washed up" but his numbers are a good deal better than Derek's Carr's this year, despite all the craziness in his life.

As far as his contract situation, I can't imagine we'd be locked in for anything more than a year-to-year type deal, and he makes far less than Carr.  Plus, Brady is the greatest winner in the history of the sport.  And if there's any hope of revitalizing ZW, I'm sure there's a LOT he can learn from TB12.

If it's a choice between Brady and Carr then it's no choice at all.  Brady is the EASY winner.  

 

Tom Brady:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00.htm

 

Derek Carr:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CarrDe02.htm

 

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tampa-bay-buccaneers/tom-brady-4619/

I think Brady would be the ideal signing this offseason for us. 

As you mentioned, no long term commitment.

We could red shirt Wilson for 2023 and see if he’s able to compete for a starting job in 2024 or draft a replacement.

[JetPotato]

32 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

TB12 gets criticized as being "washed up" but his numbers are a good deal better than Derek's Carr's this year, despite all the craziness in his life.

As far as his contract situation, I can't imagine we'd be locked in for anything more than a year-to-year type deal, and he makes far less than Carr.  Plus, Brady is the greatest winner in the history of the sport.  And if there's any hope of revitalizing ZW, I'm sure there's a LOT he can learn from TB12.

If it's a choice between Brady and Carr then it's no choice at all.  Brady is the EASY winner.  

 

Tom Brady:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00.htm

 

Derek Carr:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CarrDe02.htm

 

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tampa-bay-buccaneers/tom-brady-4619/

These pro-get-Brady posts are vomit inducing.

[JetPotato]

10 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said:

I've seen this posted a few times. Are there actual stats to back it up ? 

It's the latest buzzy thing to say.

Don't you get it? We must say no to every QB available unless we can get Patrick Mahomes for a 7th and KC agrees to pay the full contract.

The stupidity here is approaching an all-time high.

Carr is the best option available to the Jets. He's not perfect in any way, but he's a major upgrade at the position that most needs an upgrade. We haven't had a guy this good in a long, long time. 

Beggars can't be choosers, morons.

[TuscanyTile2]

6 minutes ago, JetPotato said:

It's the latest buzzy thing to say.

Don't you get it? We must say no to every QB available unless we can get Patrick Mahomes for a 7th and KC agrees to pay the full contract.

The stupidity here is approaching an all-time high.

Carr is the best option available to the Jets. He's not perfect in any way, but he's a major upgrade at the position that most needs an upgrade. We haven't had a guy this good in a long, long time. 

Beggars can't be choosers, morons.

TB12 is a far better option than Carr.

 

[JetPotato]

4 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

TB12 is a far better option than Carr.

 

Tom Brady is the worst option in the history of options. 

You should be water boarded just for using the term "TB12".