If we lose the next two games...

[Bronx]

That would be six straight loses after a promising 7-4 start.  I believe there should be immediate accountability on the coaching staff. 

The embarrassing loss (4th straight) to the Jags should have raised serious concerns about Saleh's coaching ability. The results of the game were a direct indictment on Saleh's ability to readjust.

The J bros should take serious consideration moving on from Saleh and staff if the team is utterly unprepared the next two games.  

Seattle will present a serious challenge to the Jets. He will face a superbowl winning coach with tons of experience. The outcome of this game should determine Saleh's future, especially if the team totally busts against a sub-par .500 team. 

Saleh's putrid offensive mind will bury his headcoaching career. 

 

[Bronx]

The Saleh sympathetic crowd already taking receipts.

[Biggs]

How about tickling Saleh until he cries uncle?    

[JetsFanatic]

32 minutes ago, Bronx said:

That would be six straight loses after a promising 7-4 start.  I believe there should be immediate accountability on the coaching staff. 

The embarrassing loss (4th straight) to the Jags should have raised serious concern about Saleh's coaching ability. The results of the game were a direct indictment on Saleh's ability to readjust.

The J bros should take serious consideration moving on from Saleh and staff if the team is utterly unprepared the next two games.  

Seattle will present a serious challenge to the Jets. He will face a superbowl winning coach with tons of experience. The outcome of this game should determine Saleh's future, especially if the team totally busts against a sub-par .500 team. 

 

 

Saleh already achieved our goal of playing meaningful games in December and the Jets being in the hunt. Firing him and starting over yet again would be totally idiotic and something a perpetual losing franchise does.

[LSJF]

29 minutes ago, Bronx said:

That would be six straight loses after a promising 7-4 start.  I believe there should be immediate accountability on the coaching staff. 

The embarrassing loss (4th straight) to the Jags should have raised serious concern about Saleh's coaching ability. The results of the game were a direct indictment on Saleh's ability to readjust.

The J bros should take serious consideration moving on from Saleh and staff if the team is utterly unprepared the next two games.  

Seattle will present a serious challenge to the Jets. He will face a superbowl winning coach with tons of experience. The outcome of this game should determine Saleh's future, especially if the team totally busts against a sub-par .500 team. 

 

 

Only if they bring in Sean Payton in this scenario…otherwise I’d roll w Saleh and hope for growth…

Woodys track record is to bring first timers, no thanks to that…

[Bronx]

2 minutes ago, JetsFanatic said:

Saleh already achieved our goal of playing meaningful games in December and the Jets being in the hunt. Firing him and starting over yet again would be totally idiotic and something a perpetual losing franchise does.

If the team is utterly unprepared and six straight loses...

[frankiepapa]

If the team is utterly unprepared and six straight loses...

It's hard to say we were unprepared in 3 of the last 4 losses...

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[Warfish]

43 minutes ago, Bronx said:

That would be six straight loses after a promising 7-4 start.  I believe there should be immediate accountability on the coaching staff.

Depends on how they lose, but generally speaking I don't agree.

The two killers of the 2022 season were Zach Wilson (imposed on the coaches by GM JD) and injuries (a constant, annual murderer or Jets potential).

My offseason would primarily be about addressing those two issues, with a new QB, and a change in field turf away from the career-killing crap the NFL is using these days.

43 minutes ago, Bronx said:

The embarrassing loss (4th straight) to the Jags should have raised serious concern about Saleh's coaching ability. The results of the game were a direct indictment on Saleh's ability to readjust.

The J bros should take serious consideration moving on from Saleh and staff if the team is utterly unprepared the next two games.

I'm far from wedded to Saleh and MLF.  But I don't think I fire them this offseason, even if we drop these last two games.  

But the entire Org, JD, Saleh, MLF are all on notice that it's playoff or pink slips in 2023.  Continue the annual improvement year over year, or else.

But I do think there is something to continuity and we've improved every season.  

43 minutes ago, Bronx said:

Seattle will present a serious challenge to the Jets. He will face a superbowl winning coach with tons of experience. The outcome of this game should determine Saleh's future, especially if the team totally busts against a sub-par .500 team. 

Both opponents are better than us, as of now.  If Tua is out, maybe we're on par with Miami.

Neither was ever going to be a gimmie game.

[Biggs]

8 minutes ago, Warfish said:

 

But the entire Org, JD, Saleh, MLF are all on notice that it's playoff or pink slips in 2023.  Continue the annual improvement year over year, or else.

 

Seems rather harsh without knowing how the season will play out or the circumstances of why if we don't make the playoffs.  

NFL games are actual competitions and there are a lot of variables that go into winning and losing.   I would want to take into account the actual circumstances if we don't make the playoffs rather than be wed to moving from a potentially very good HC and GM. 

Lets not lose sight of the fact that Woody Johnson will be replacing them.  The odds of getting better management in place are extremely low.  I would give both JD and Saleh a very long rope based on that alone.  

[More Cowbell]

1 hour ago, Bronx said:

That would be six straight loses after a promising 7-4 start.  I believe there should be immediate accountability on the coaching staff. 

The embarrassing loss (4th straight) to the Jags should have raised serious concern about Saleh's coaching ability. The results of the game were a direct indictment on Saleh's ability to readjust.

The J bros should take serious consideration moving on from Saleh and staff if the team is utterly unprepared the next two games.  

Seattle will present a serious challenge to the Jets. He will face a superbowl winning coach with tons of experience. The outcome of this game should determine Saleh's future, especially if the team totally busts against a sub-par .500 team. 

 

 

Let's  be honest. I have watched numerous videos on YouTube analyzing Zach in both the Lions and Jax game. The Lions he had long bad stretches but he made enough plays to keep the Jets in that game. Against Jax, that might have been the worst performance by a QB I have ever seen. His accuracy was nowhere to be found. In this game, it was mentioned in one video that they actually were calling plays to take advantage of Zachs mobility and arm strength, plays that they wouldn't  call for MW and he still missed on them. One of these plays was the pass to Davis where Davis knocked the ball out of thebair to prevent a pick. Also on most of these plays, there was more than one receiver open. Blaming Saleh for this loss is like blaming someone going through an intersection who gets T-Boned by a drunk driver who ran a red light. 

[slimjasi]

You can’t start over every 2-3 years. You have to give first time coaches/GMs who show a modicum of competence a chance to learn on the job, improve, and build something sustainable. 

 

The over/under for this team was 5.5 and everyone more or less agreed that the goal was meaningful games at the end of the year and contention for the playoffs. Despite the losing streak, that has been achieved. Then you throw in the fact that the team’s most important players are mostly 1st and 2nd year guys, is missing its two best offensive players (or at least 2 of its top 3 with GW), and has lost a number of heartbreaking games.
 

I think idea the of replacing Saleh at the end of the year is insane. If another late season collapse happens next year? Sure. But not at the end of year 2. 

[TommyT]

Sean Payton at one time listed the Jets as one of four teams he would coach. Losing the next two would open the door. The way they shelved Wilson, Payton would want an established qb that he can bring out the best in, the way he did with Brees.

[Greensleeves]

He's not going anywhere, but if the team is unprepared like they were against the Jags - yes, the D was awful and don't give me the - yeah but, they only scored 19pts bs. The Jags actually didn't punt until the 3rd quarter in that game and easily moved the ball to eat up clock whenever they wanted to. They would have scored more points if necessary but didn't need to take risks in a driving rain storm. But if the team loses 6 in a row and the last three they are flat and unprepared with the playoffs on the line, that is a huge red flag. They should be flying around the field the next two weeks. I do think MLF will either be gone or someone with experience will be added to the staff - he never should have had that position with a first time defensive head coach and rookie QB. On the other hand, if they win out and make the playoffs and the offense is solid I don't think there will be any firings, just additions IMO.

[GreenFish]

Nope. I'm ok with everyone staying except Zach.

If Woody wants to bring in Sean Payton, I'd be ok with that. But firing someone because the end of season didn't go well, I think is bad practice. You either believe in your coaching staff or you don't.

[Bronx]

"PVO no more" if we stink the next two games. Bottom Fk'n line.

[pointman]

I think we got lucky early on and squeaked out some insane wins raising expectations and we are now playing more like what everyone expected. Woody isn't firing Saleh. Not that I care either way. 

[rangerous]

1 hour ago, JetsFanatic said:

Saleh already achieved our goal of playing meaningful games in December and the Jets being in the hunt. Firing him and starting over yet again would be totally idiotic and something a perpetual losing franchise does.

I tend to agree with this. For the most part the team has played a full 60 minutes even if they got an L. These next two games should help to pinpoint the real issue. Obviously Wilson has been a major part of the bad games but the oline continues to be sub par and the running game iffy.  They win the next two and Wilson will be heavily evaluated. In a sense mike white is playing for Wilson’s future.

[bonkertons]

I just don't see how in any way it would make sense to fire Saleh.  Considering the expectations for the season going in, you're basically firing him for overachieving early on and getting everyone's hopes up.  Had the team just been mediocre out of the gate, throughout the entire season, he would have been fine?

 

Some consistency and stability would be nice for a change.  We're clearly building something here.  The plan was to compete in 2023-24, so I'm completely fine with waiting until that season before even thinking about putting anyone on the hotseat.  MLF included.

[Dunnie]

That would be six straight loses after a promising 7-4 start.  I believe there should be immediate accountability on the coaching staff. 
The embarrassing loss (4th straight) to the Jags should have raised serious concern about Saleh's coaching ability. The results of the game were a direct indictment on Saleh's ability to readjust.
The J bros should take serious consideration moving on from Saleh and staff if the team is utterly unprepared the next two games.  
Seattle will present a serious challenge to the Jets. He will face a superbowl winning coach with tons of experience. The outcome of this game should determine Saleh's future, especially if the team totally busts against a sub-par .500 team. 
Saleh's putrid offensive mind will bury his headcoaching career. 
 

The only positive is that there will be clarity of Mike White situation. He will then be 1-4 as a starter , and the reality that he is better positioned as a stable backup should set in.

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[TuscanyTile2]

1 hour ago, JetsFanatic said:

Saleh already achieved our goal of playing meaningful games in December and the Jets being in the hunt. Firing him and starting over yet again would be totally idiotic and something a perpetual losing franchise does.

That wasn't the goal I wanted. lol.

[Rangers9]

One area that’s been bad is special teams. We’ve lost games because of it had bad field position etc. also in recent weeks why the running game regressed and not a factor. 

[Dunnie]

5 minutes ago, Rangers9 said:

One area that’s been bad is special teams. We’ve lost games because of it had bad field position etc. also in recent weeks why the running game regressed and not a factor. 

OL

[peekskill68]

13 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

OL

JD picks the groceries and Tomlinson forgot how to play football on the way to cashing his signing bonus.  Can't go crazy on JD for Fant's regression back to his normal level, but can give him sh!t for rolling the dice with Becton with no real back up plan.  Not sure Brown's play has been that much above a street FA this year let alone worth a $20 million contract.

[Green Ghost]

1 hour ago, rangerous said:

I tend to agree with this. For the most part the team has played a full 60 minutes even if they got an L. These next two games should help to pinpoint the real issue. Obviously Wilson has been a major part of the bad games but the oline continues to be sub par and the running game iffy.  They win the next two and Wilson will be heavily evaluated. In a sense mike white is playing for Wilson’s future.

Wilson is done.

[CanadaSteve]

2 hours ago, Bronx said:

That would be six straight loses after a promising 7-4 start.  I believe there should be immediate accountability on the coaching staff. 

The embarrassing loss (4th straight) to the Jags should have raised serious concern about Saleh's coaching ability. The results of the game were a direct indictment on Saleh's ability to readjust.

The J bros should take serious consideration moving on from Saleh and staff if the team is utterly unprepared the next two games.  

Seattle will present a serious challenge to the Jets. He will face a superbowl winning coach with tons of experience. The outcome of this game should determine Saleh's future, especially if the team totally busts against a sub-par .500 team. 

Saleh's putrid offensive mind will bury his headcoaching career. 

 

NO....

Well, that was easy.

[Green Ghost]

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[56mehl56]

1 hour ago, slimjasi said:

You can’t start over every 2-3 years. You have to give first time coaches/GMs who show a modicum of competence a chance to learn on the job, improve, and build something sustainable. 

 

The over/under for this team was 5.5 and everyone more or less agreed that the goal was meaningful games at the end of the year and contention for the playoffs. Despite the losing streak, that has been achieved. Then you throw in the fact that the team’s most important players are mostly 1st and 2nd year guys, is missing its two best offensive players (or at least 2 of its top 3 with GW), and has lost a number of heartbreaking games.
 

I think idea the of replacing Saleh at the end of the year is insane. If another late season collapse happens next year? Sure. But not at the end of year 2. 

Exactly, starting over every 2 years , you become the Cleveland Browns., 

[Augustiniak]

If the offense sucks these next 2 games with white i assume MLF will be the scapegoat here.  Someone has to fall on his sword for the wilson fail and that magnitude of collapse. 

[56mehl56]

6 minutes ago, peekskill68 said:

JD picks the groceries and Tomlinson forgot how to play football on the way to cashing his signing bonus.  Can't go crazy on JD for Fant's regression back to his normal level, but can give him sh!t for rolling the dice with Becton with no real back up plan.  Not sure Brown's play has been that much above a street FA this year let alone worth a $20 million contract.

They had injuries all over the Oline and guys like Brown are toughing it out just to finish the season. I won't blame JD for this , but I'd seriously consider drafting some OL help next year as it wouldn't hurt to add some young quality depth. 

[Rangers9]

Overall JD has done a good job with personnel but two major decisions could lead to his demise: drafting Zach at overall #2 and selecting Saleh as HC. Some off the field decisions which he was part of are questionable too. Like deactivating two Jets Wrs after they popped off. 

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

Just being a Jet .

[southparkcpa]

2 hours ago, JetsFanatic said:

Saleh already achieved our goal of playing meaningful games in December and the Jets being in the hunt. Firing him and starting over yet again would be totally idiotic and something a perpetual losing franchise does.

THIS… BUT Jeebis, if we lose 6 straight he is on the hot seat.

I dont think he is a good HC yet.  Neither was Pete Carrol here but he didn’t deserve to be fired.

Look what he did after the Jets.  

[southparkcpa]

20 minutes ago, Rangers9 said:

Overall JD has done a good job with personnel but two major decisions could lead to his demise: drafting Zach at overall #2 and selecting Saleh as HC. Some off the field decisions which he was part of are questionable too. Like deactivating two Jets Wrs after they popped off. 

Becton says hello.

 

[Larz]

I’m bracing myself for this but it’s getting closer to game day so it’s time to start thinking positive 

just beat the seagulls and get to Miami with a chance 

[The Crusher]

2 hours ago, Greensleeves said:

He's not going anywhere, but if the team is unprepared like they were against the Jags - yes, the D was awful and don't give me the - yeah but, they only scored 19pts bs. The Jags actually didn't punt until the 3rd quarter in that game and easily moved the ball to eat up clock whenever they wanted to. They would have scored more points if necessary but didn't need to take risks in a driving rain storm. But if the team loses 6 in a row and the last three they are flat and unprepared with the playoffs on the line, that is a huge red flag. They should be flying around the field the next two weeks. I do think MLF will either be gone or someone with experience will be added to the staff - he never should have had that position with a first time defensive head coach and rookie QB. On the other hand, if they win out and make the playoffs and the offense is solid I don't think there will be any firings, just additions IMO.

But they did only score 19 points. How is that crap? If we scored 20 we could have won. You dint win games by putting  up yards and you dint lose games  by giving up yards. You lose when it results in points. The result was 19 points, sloppy defensive effort but should have been enough to win. Defenses typically fair better when matched with a somewhat remotely sorta semi productive offense.