Popular Post kevinc855 Posted December 29, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 29, 2022 Say what you want about Sam but in December of his second year he was light years ahead of Zach. I’m still at times annoyed Sam didn’t work out here. Always liked the kid. Great game by the way for those who were in the building 4 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 “The drive” was propped up by a reviewed pass interference. Darnold is better than Wilson but is not a good QB. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TuscanyTile2 Posted December 29, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 29, 2022 2 hours ago, kevinc855 said: Say what you want about Sam but in December of his second year he was light years ahead of Zach. I’m still at times annoyed Sam didn’t work out here. Always liked the kid. Great game by the way for those who were in the building I've always liked Sam as well. I think the Jets did him (and themselves) a huge disservice. They gave him no OL, no weapinz and crappy coaching. All for the youngest starting QB in NFL history. It's like we wrote the textbook on how NOT to handle a young QB. I'm glad (and not surprised) he seems to be starting to put it together now. I'd definitely be willing to consider bringing him back next year, btw. 8 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kevinc855 Posted December 29, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: I always liked Sam as well. I think the Jets did him (and themselves) a huge disservice. They gave him no OL, no weapinz and crappy coaching. All for the youngest starting QB in NFL history. It's like we wrote the textbook on how NOT to handle a young QB. I'm glad (and not surprised) he seems to be starting to put it together now. I'd definitely be willing to consider bringing him back next year, btw. Yep I think if Sam had this team in year 2 he woulda “take that step” ashame 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 Just because Wilson has been shockingly bad here doesn’t mean that Sam was good. What he’s doing right now in Carolina is interesting, but remember that he is in year 5, on his second team. It remains to be seen how sustainable it is. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: I always liked Sam as well. I think the Jets did him (and themselves) a huge disservice. They gave him no OL, no weapinz and crappy coaching. All for the youngest starting QB in NFL history. It's like we wrote the textbook on how NOT to handle a young QB. I'm glad (and not surprised) he seems to be starting to put it together now. I'd definitely be willing to consider bringing him back next year, btw. I had really hoped they would keep him and build a roster for him in 2021. I never cared for him as a QB, but I also felt he was given a pretty raw deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 14 minutes ago, Matt39 said: “The drive” was propped up by a reviewed pass interference. Darnold is better than Wilson but is not a good QB. It was a PI though. And Sam made a great throw on that play, too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 6 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: Yep I think if Sam had this team in year 2 he woulda “take that step” ashame I agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 6 minutes ago, slimjasi said: Just because Wilson has been shockingly bad here doesn’t mean that Sam was good. What he’s doing right now in Carolina is interesting, but remember that he is in year 5, on his second team. It remains to be seen how sustainable it is. It's true that ZW being bad doesn't mean anything with regards to Darnold. But I've always felt like Sam was going to "emerge" at some point so I'm looking at what he's doing in Carolina in a more positive light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 The book is nowhere near complete on Sam Darnold as a starter in this league. He very well might lead the Panthets into the playoffs and get to QB a playoff game. Is it just a coincidence that he's played error free football, behing an improved offensive line. Maybe. Maybe not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 'Sam is better than Zach was at the end of year 2. hE SHoUldZe BeeN a jEt'. Zach is a used prophylactic. Being better than him, while still being terrible isn't a compliment. Sam is bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 He will never entertain being a Jet again. JD really Fk'd the QB carousel. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballLove Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 Sam is quietly having some good games in Carolina and can win his division with no help. It'll be fun to see if Sam can hold it together and take his team to the POs. Could be a Sam Darnold / Zack Wilson superbowl!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, FootballLove said: Sam is quietly having some good games in Carolina and can win his division with no help. It'll be fun to see if Sam can hold it together and take his team to the POs. Could be a Sam Darnold / Zack Wilson superbowl!!! I'd love to see Carolina make the playoffs with Sam at the helm. Then I'd like to see how he performs in postseason. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonkertons Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 For all the talk about how impatient this fanbase is, Sam proved that if you at least show some flashes of potentially being the QB you were drafted to be, you'll get the time to figure it out. Even after 3 years there were still fans that wanted to keep Sam, myself included. I thought with a solid supporting cast he could have been a decent QB. He certainly looks like one now. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted December 29, 2022 Author Share Posted December 29, 2022 6 minutes ago, bonkertons said: For all the talk about how impatient this fanbase is, Sam proved that if you at least show some flashes of potentially being the QB you were drafted to be, you'll get the time to figure it out. Even after 3 years there were still fans that wanted to keep Sam, myself included. I thought with a solid supporting cast he could have been a decent QB. He certainly looks like one now. To me its the fans the have the most patience. The coaches, FO, and ownership (like in Sams case) seem to be the most uncomfortable. They try to flip the narrative. The reason they didn't want to give Sam year 4 is because they wanted a rookie QB on a rookie deal and didnt want to worry about paying Sam in a few years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 Is it a favorable sign for Sam that Baker Mayfield has played much better since getting out of Carolina? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 We sucked in 2020 for Zach Wilson. Coulda kept Darnold and just loaded up on picks by trading down like the Dolphins did who picked below us in the 2021 Draft. Mar 26, 2021: Dolphins traded 2021 1st round pick (3rd overall, Trey Lance) to 49ers for 2021 1st round pick (12th overall subsequently traded, Micah Parsons), 2022 1st round pick (29th overall subsequently traded, Cole Strange), a 2023 1st round pick and 2022 3rd round pick (102nd overall, Channing Tindall) Thank you, Joe Douglas 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted December 29, 2022 Author Share Posted December 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said: We sucked in 2020 for Zach Wilson. Think about it for a second........we went through a 2 win season.....for......Zach Wilson...... It hurts when you put it like that I never want to hear about the assinine idea of "Tanking" again for essentially a lottery ticket. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammybighead Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 Darnold and his camp's argument was the NY Jets didn't do enough to help him succeed so surely he would find success on a team that had Mcaffrey and a plethora of WRs? Zach's mom is saying that nobody can succeed in NY because of the fans, apparently we're toxic and that somehow affects his play. It's all our fault. So i'm sure Zach will go most anywhere else and become the Patrick Mahomes II all the talent evaluators envisioned. Guys, sometimes its just as simple as "he's not that good" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: Think about it for a second........we went through a 2 win season.....for......Zach Wilson...... It hurts when you put it like that I never want to hear about the assinine idea of "Tanking" again for essentially a lottery ticket. It's tough to swallow that decision. I hated the pick at the time. I love Joe Douglas' last draft but that's a black mark on his GM resume that will cost him 8 of his 9 lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 8 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: To me its the fans the have the most patience. The coaches, FO, and ownership (like in Sams case) seem to be the most uncomfortable. They try to flip the narrative. The reason they didn't want to give Sam year 4 is because they wanted a rookie QB on a rookie deal and didnt want to worry about paying Sam in a few years. Lol. That is not why they got rid of Sam my friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 6 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: Think about it for a second........we went through a 2 win season.....for......Zach Wilson...... It hurts when you put it like that I never want to hear about the assinine idea of "Tanking" again for essentially a lottery ticket. Those of us rooting for losses (I was one of them) were hoping we'd be in position to draft Trevor (not ZW). If Trevor was our QB right now, we'd be talking SB this year (and probably multiple SBs for the next decade). I feel like those who criticized fans who were rooting for losses are the ones who have lost their standing. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Matt39 said: “The drive” was propped up by a reviewed pass interference. Darnold is better than Wilson but is not a good QB. And without PI it would have been a completed pass. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymangold Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 This drive was awful. The dolphins were awful. Sam wasn’t good. Zach isn’t good. No need to delve into the suck level both guys have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 Mar 26, 2021: Dolphins traded 2021 1st round pick (3rd overall, Trey Lance) to 49ers for 2021 1st round pick (12th overall subsequently traded, Micah Parsons), 2022 1st round pick (29th overall subsequently traded, Cole Strange), a 2023 1st round pick and 2022 3rd round pick (102nd overall, Channing Tindall) @T0mShane @Paradis Opportunity Cost 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Rico Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 13 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: Think about it for a second........we went through a 2 win season.....for......Zach Wilson...... It hurts when you put it like that I never want to hear about the assinine idea of "Tanking" again for essentially a lottery ticket. There are probably fans who want the Jets to lose the last two games, convinced that would encourage JD to try and and get Carr. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsMetsRangers Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 Sam played well the last 8 games of his second season as he had 13TD's and 4 INT over that span, problem is he followed that up with a terrible 3rd season.....9TD'S and 11 INT's........ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeet Ulrich Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 49 minutes ago, FootballLove said: Sam is quietly having some good games in Carolina and can win his division with no help. It'll be fun to see if Sam can hold it together and take his team to the POs. Could be a Sam Darnold / Zack Wilson superbowl!!! I think saying Darnold's been 'good' in Carolina is setting the bar very, very low. He hasn't totally ****ed things up for them but 225 yards passing and 1 TD a game ain't exactly Air Coryell. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted December 29, 2022 Author Share Posted December 29, 2022 26 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Those of us rooting for losses (I was one of them) were hoping we'd be in position to draft Trevor (not ZW). If Trevor was our QB right now, we'd be talking SB this year (and probably multiple SBs for the next decade). I feel like those who criticized fans who were rooting for losses are the ones who have lost their standing. No because those in the anti tanking squad were worried something like this happen. Do you know hard it is also to get the number 1 pick? It was a stupid idea that burned us 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 1 hour ago, kevinc855 said: Say what you want about Sam but in December of his second year he was light years ahead of Zach. I’m still at times annoyed Sam didn’t work out here. Always liked the kid. Great game by the way for those who were in the building Did you write a song about it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: No because those in the anti tanking squad were worried something like this happen. Do you know hard it is also to get the number 1 pick? It was a stupid idea that burned us Burned us how? Were we going to do much better than 2-14 anyway? And, again, if we had "successfully" tanked, we'd be set up for a decade or more of Jets greatness. If we're ever in that position again, I'll still root for losses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Rico Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: No because those in the anti tanking squad were worried something like this happen. Do you know hard it is also to get the number 1 pick? It was a stupid idea that burned us Sometimes the thing you want is actually the worse thing that can happen. If we won a few more games that year, we'd have Penei Sewell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 Sam got a pretty raw deal here. His first season he was a rookie on a team with no talent and a bad HC, then came the Mono year and that pretty much went off the rails from there, after that was JD first season as a GM (I know JD was here the year before but he was more or less a caretaker) where he systematically traded away anything of value we had, including Sam by the end of the season. If you wanted to sabotage a QB, this should be the script. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler82 Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 Sam Darnold is still a bad NFL QB. Perhaps not as bad as Zack - who is? - but he's a bottom tier QB nonetheless. Anyone pining for him at this stage has watched too much all-22 game film of Zach Wilson's Jacksonville game. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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