rangerous Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 29 minutes ago, Flea Flicking Frank said: Here is the flaw in your logic, you are assuming that the individual QB is the only variable in developing, and that the coaching is not every bit as important. Look at who Geno had here. Look at who Darnold had here, both had atrocious coaches, and terrible surrounding talent. Good coaches matter, like, a ton. JGB was responding to one of my posts about geno needing 10 season to finally develop. Of course geno needed to finally land in a system that played to his strengths just like any qb. Even at the college level we see guys moving around to find the right system for them to play in. But first and foremost is still physical attributes and probably some level of mental acuity. Makes no sense to draft a guy who can throw 100 yds from his knees if he doesn’t understand that the 10 yd throw is the better option. After that it’s the coaches who need to mold him into a player the team can succeed with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 Zach isn’t taking another snap in a Jets uniform. And after Sunday, neither is White. Neither is Flacco. Neither is Streveler. It’s pointless even discussing this sh*t. All of the QB discussion pertaining to the Jets should be centered around guys like Brady, Rodgers, Carr and maybe Garoppolo over the next 2-3 months. Not the slapdicks currently on the roster with no future here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 1 minute ago, rangerous said: JGB was responding to one of my posts about geno needing 10 season to finally develop. Of course geno needed to finally land in a system that played to his strengths just like any qb. Even at the college level we see guys moving around to find the right system for them to play in. But first and foremost is still physical attributes and probably some level of mental acuity. Makes no sense to draft a guy who can throw 100 yds from his knees if he doesn’t understand that the 10 yd throw is the better option. After that it’s the coaches who need to mold him into a player the team can succeed with. Good coaches understand the strengths and weaknesses of their players, and they try to fix/correct weaknesses, while playing to strengths. Bad coaches try to adapt the player to their system, we have had nothing but bad coaches for a very very long time. I don't think its fair to assume it would have taken Geno or Darnold 10 years to develop if they had good coaching instead of the bad coaching they actually had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Lith said: Yup. The fadct that White was terrible yesterday does not magically make Zach better. The Zach vs MW debates are pointless at this point. Based upon their boies of work, neither guy is the long term answer. I just hope our 2023 QB is not on the team right now and this season is the last of the Wilson-White debates. The fact Mike Whites footwork is getting worse by the week since the took him to the sideline to work speaks volumes though. MLF and his staff are horrible. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 15 hours ago, VJphillyfan said: He isn’t better than anyone. The other qbs are scrubs but Zach is King Scrub The Strev needs to get the start Sunday because everyone else got that chance to start. MW is hurt, Zach is a joke, and Flacco could not care less. Won't happen and that why Saleh has to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 1 hour ago, rangerous said: I agree you can’t hold onto all of them. But I think the whole geno thing was all wrapped into idzik and Rex’s launching. Had idzik stayed geno would’ve been QB at least for 4 or 5 seasons. Heck if he didn’t get his jaw broken he might still be qb. Maybe but let’s not forget Geno was still a sh*thead on the Giants. He may have needed the humble pie to get his mind right — football-wise; he’s still a dunce IRL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletKnight89 Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 The only QB on the Jets roster worth bringing back at this point is Mike White as a backup. Zach is done here. Flacco is washed up. The only one who has looked solid at times over the last 2 years is Mike White. Douglas and Saleh are going to have to figure out which free agent QB they are going to bring in. I'd go with Jimmy G, but I have a feeling it's going to be Derek Carr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 Mike White sucked yesterday. I really think it was because of the ribs. He missed a ton of throws he routinely makes. Hard to run an offense when your QB can't complete a pass. That wasn't who MW really is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 Geno looked really good throwing the football. He did take two really dumb sacks in the 2nd quarter that kept us in the game. He still has moments in games where he looks like he has no idea what's going on around him. He's way better than anyone we;ve had in a long time but I'm not sold that Geno is an elite NFL QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 Flacco or Strev should have been subbed in yesterday. MW had to be compromised by the busted ribs. A QB like that who can’t throw the ball 10 yards wouldn’t even make an XFL roster. If it was just the accuracy, it would be one thing. But White couldn’t get any zip or distance at all. Even if MW were healthy though, he doesn’t have the arm strength. His arm is too weak. It’s too below average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 19 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: For more kindergarten-caliber QB analysis, follow Beerfish. 19 hours ago, Beerfish said: QB 1 winning % .555 QB 2 winning % .333 QB 3 winning % .250 The team thinks MW is so good and they love him so much they don't feel they have to carry him. When Flacco plays the ball is so catchable the WR don't even have to get seperation to catch the ball. When Zach plays the team is under pressure to carrry him and they play better. If Zach was any good he'd have a winning percentag of .150 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 4 hours ago, Flea Flicking Frank said: QB's are not robots. This offense does not enable QB's to get into a rythm and develop confidence. Its easy to cherry pick a few open receiver per game that are missed, and its not wrong, but our QB's are clearly flustered, and most of the time opposing defenses know exactly what we are going to do and when we are going to do it. QB's playing without confidence will miss open receivers, its going to happen. Mike White is a competent, but underwhelming QB, who looked like crap yesterday because he was flustered and had no confidence, and that was against a bottom 5 defense in the league. This is on the coaching. You're right qbs aren't robots and neither are the rest of the team Zach never won the conference of the locker room and that's not on the coaches This is the fallout from missing on the highest pick this franchise had since Keyshawn. It's not going to be an easy fix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 1 minute ago, bitonti said: You're right qbs aren't robots and neither are the rest of the team Zach never won the conference of the locker room and that's not on the coaches This is the fallout from missing on the highest pick this franchise had since Keyshawn. It's not going to be an easy fix. But wait, remember how much confidence the team had in Mike F'ng White? How did that work out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Flea Flicking Frank said: But wait, remember how much confidence the team had in Mike F'ng White? How did that work out? The record did not reflect it but the team played hard under Mike White. Mw wasn't good enough in the red zone but that's how it goes. It was the correct call to bench Zach he's been terrible the whole time. At least there were flashes of competence under MW. Measured by points per possession, white is a much better player than Zach. Measured by win loss record, Zach is amazing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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