Is JD in deep doo doo?

[JetPotato]

9 hours ago, Maynard13 said:

Yes and no. JD's first season was  practically non-existent. He didnt have control of teh draft. He was saddled by Gase who he didnt hire.  the cap was a total mess. The roster was full of crappy vets etc etc etc.  He literally had to start from scratch.  But he has missed on the QB.  You are correct there. So again, my question is, how long does JD have to straighten that out?  He's done a decent job considering all other things. As far as the coaches go, Saleh has been a on the job learning HC.  LaFleur, IMO, has to go but don't see that happening.  It s more like they will fall together or grow together.  And that insanely good draft you were talking about was very good. And by the way, they are rookies. And will get better. this is a very very young team but NY oh land of instant gratification. I forgot.  

Instant gratification? Is that a serious comment? What is Instant about having waited now 12 years for a decent season? And why do we have to always be waiting for the coach to learn on the job, if ever? Sean Payton won't need to learn on the job.

[RoadFan]

11 hours ago, Maynard13 said:

Mac screwed up trading up to take Darnold. Disaster. Ultimately got him fired. JD essentially makes a similar blunder, if not worse, by taking Wilson, when Fields was sitting there. Somehow, somewhere, sometime, JD will have to answer for this colossal mistake.  Sooner rather than later?  JD has added some nice talent to this team but his FA's have been less than stellar.  Still, the team has made significant progress so I'm sure he is safe as is Saleh. But someone has got to take a fall here for this terrible meltdown.  JD jas his work cut out for him and is going to have to pull a rabbit out his hat and find this team  a QB and an OL.  It's been a constant problem.  How much more time does Woody give JD. He fired Rex wo he loved like a son.  But there's only so much anyone can take.  Should be an interesting off season and expectations next year have risen. No more excuses. Playoffs or you're all FIRED.

Justin Fields is not good either.  His release is too slow. 

He threw for more that 200 yards two times.  Less than 150, six times…

A quarterback has to be able to throw the ball.  Running for a 1000 yards is a cool story, but it is not a key to long-term success.  Especially, when the team has to play from behind.

[JustInFudge]

Fields talk is so Josh Allen circa 2019....

silly Jets fans...

As for the thread, Big Mac > JD is all you need to know.

Jets got it wrong, again, the team sucks something awful and JD is officially the worst GM in Jets history.

[BigRy56]

JD is done here if he misses on his next swing at QB. Zach is the worst of the bunch but outside of Trevor at 1, nobody in his draft class looks particularly good. So he has that going for him

[Augustiniak]

Just now, BigRy56 said:

JD is done here if he misses on his next swing at QB. Zach is the worst of the bunch but outside of Trevor at 1, nobody in his draft class looks particularly good. So he has that going for him

Yet i can’t help think that if darnold and geno can look better elsewhere, maybe the jets drafting isn’t as bad as the coaching. 

[Warfish]

12 hours ago, Coquito said:

JD totally sh*t the bed on the QB position. 
How do you get a pass for that?

By drafting the Offensive Rookie of the Year and a Defensive Rookie of the Year runner up. 

And while this roster has some clear needs, the overall team talent level is miles better than the pathetic Gase Era.

QB, Coaching, and keeping our players healthy are the three primary problems.  

Yes, JD needs to answer for his failure at QB.  He'll get another shot.  We'll see what he does.

[Warfish]

12 hours ago, Maynard13 said:

JD essentially makes a similar blunder, if not worse, by taking Wilson, when Fields was sitting there.

I wanted Fields, to be clear (or Mac Jones).  And I think Fields might have a bright future still.

But Fields is hurt, sitting at home, and his his team is a non-playoff, non-competitive mess.

JD is under pressure because of the QB position, no doubt, but not because of Fields.  Not at this point.

[Augustiniak]

1 minute ago, Warfish said:

I wanted Fields, to be clear (or Mac Jones).  And I think Fields might have a bright future still.

But Fields is hurt, sitting at home, and his his team is a non-playoff, non-competitive mess.

JD is under pressure because of the QB position, no doubt, but not because of Fields.  Not at this point.

Fields is not the answer either.  Watching geno play at an all star level must resonate with woody somehow, that maybe the coaching is worse than the drafting. 

[VJphillyfan]

22 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

Fields is not the answer either.  Watching geno play at an all star level must resonate with woody somehow, that maybe the coaching is worse than the drafting. 

Fields?

[hawk]

In my opinion, the roster is better than it has been in a LONG time, and significantly younger.  

In my opinion, that is the GM's main Job.  Now the question is if he has the stones to make or force coaching changes.

[JetsFanatic]

12 hours ago, Coquito said:

JD totally sh*t the bed on the QB position. 
How do you get a pass for that?

Because he’s done a great job in other areas. JD isn’t the problem, 2022 could be the best draft in the history of the Jets. Coaching on the other hand, especially on the offensive side , could need some changes.

[Biggs]

29 minutes ago, Warfish said:

By drafting the Offensive Rookie of the Year and a Defensive Rookie of the Year runner up. 

And while this roster has some clear needs, the overall team talent level is miles better than the pathetic Gase Era.

QB, Coaching, and keeping our players healthy are the three primary problems.  

Yes, JD needs to answer for his failure at QB.  He'll get another shot.  We'll see what he does.

It's my opinion that Brock Purdy is without question the NFL offensive rookie of the year and it shouldn't be close.  

[Warfish]

Just now, Biggs said:

It's my opinion that Brock Purdy is without question the NFL offensive rookie of the year and it shouldn't be close.  

Agree to disagree.  

[Flea Flicking Frank]

30 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I wanted Fields, to be clear (or Mac Jones).  And I think Fields might have a bright future still.

But Fields is hurt, sitting at home, and his his team is a non-playoff, non-competitive mess.

JD is under pressure because of the QB position, no doubt, but not because of Fields.  Not at this point.

The real reason JD should be under pressure is because of this inept coaching staff he hired. This coaching staff is in way over their heads, and as everyone who knows what they are looking at should have seen yesterday, this goes way beyond the QB position. No attainable QB is going to make this a good offense, better, sure, but not good. The coaching staff is really bad

[Gastineau Lives]

12 hours ago, pointman said:

FIELDS ISN'T GOOOD!!!!!!

 

Lol what 7 for 21 for 75 yards against the worst pass defense in the league isn’t good?

[DireJet]

51 minutes ago, BigRy56 said:

JD is done here if he misses on his next swing at QB. Zach is the worst of the bunch but outside of Trevor at 1, nobody in his draft class looks particularly good. So he has that going for him

Fields is gonna set the NFL record for QB rushing yards. He has an elite skill. That alone makes him good. And he’ll be a better passer as he continues to develop. Fields will be better than Lamar when it’s all said and done. 

[playtowinthegame]

Grade Joe Douglas' Drafts
 

 

Year    Rnd    Player    Pick    Pos

2022    1    Sauce Gardner    4    CB ---- GREAT
2022    1    Garrett Wilson    10    WR ---- GREAT
2022    1    Jermaine Johnson II    26    LB ---- Can't grade.
2022    2    Breece Hall    36    RB ----- GREAT/HURT
2022    3    Jeremy Ruckert    101    TE ---- Can't grade
2022    4    Max Mitchell    111    T ----- MEH
2022    4    Micheal Clemons    117    DT ---- GREAT cause I don't want to get beat up.
 

2021    1    Zach Wilson    2    QB ---- MEGA BUST
2021    1    Alijah Vera-Tucker    14    OL ---- GOOD PICK/HURT
2021    2    Elijah Moore    34    WR ---- MEH (Demands a trade)
2021    4    Michael Carter    107    RB ---- MEH
2021    5    Jamien Sherwood    146    DB ----- WHIFF
2021    5    Michael Carter    154    S ---- BASE HIT
2021    5    Jason Pinnock    175    CB --- MEH
2021    6    Hamsah Nasirildeen    186    DB ---- WHIFF
2021    6    Brandin Echols    200    CB ---- MEH
2021    6    Jonathan Marshall    207    DL ----- WHIFF
 

2020    1    Mekhi Becton    11    T ---- MEGA BUST
2020    2    Denzel Mims    59    WR ---- BUST
2020    3    Ashtyn Davis    68    S ---- WHIFF (Leonard Williams pick)
2020    3    Jabari Zuniga    79    DE ---- WHIFF
2020    4    La'Mical Perine    120    RB ---- WHIFF
2020    4    James Morgan    125    QB ---- WHIFF
2020    4    Cameron Clark    129    T ---- WHIFF
2020    5    Bryce Hall    158    CB ---- MEH
2020    6    Braden Mann    191    P ---- MEH

[kevinc855]

11 hours ago, JetPotato said:

That "insanely good draft" is home watching the playoffs on TV. 

This needed to be said. Thank you 

[kevinc855]

10 hours ago, Maxman said:

You draft Sauce Gardner, Garrett Wilson, Breece Hall, Max Mitchell and Michael Clemons the next draft.

The garret wilson who called it in because the jets were losing? That annoyed me. He’s good but seems like a baby 

[Ghost420]

12 hours ago, Maynard13 said:

Really brilliant take. Just brilliant. Congrads.

Wilson played 9 games has 1600 yards passing. Fields played an entire season and only have 2200 yards passing. Sure, he is dynamic running the ball, but he has yet to prove he can throw the ball well in the NFL. 

[kevinc855]

7 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

Grade Joe Douglas' Drafts
 

 

Year    Rnd    Player    Pick    Pos

2022    1    Sauce Gardner    4    CB ---- GREAT
2022    1    Garrett Wilson    10    WR ---- GREAT
2022    1    Jermaine Johnson II    26    LB ---- Can't grade.
2022    2    Breece Hall    36    RB ----- GREAT/HURT
2022    3    Jeremy Ruckert    101    TE ---- Can't grade
2022    4    Max Mitchell    111    T ----- MEH
2022    4    Micheal Clemons    117    DT ---- GREAT cause I don't want to get beat up.
 

2021    1    Zach Wilson    2    QB ---- MEGA BUST
2021    1    Alijah Vera-Tucker    14    OL ---- GOOD PICK/HURT
2021    2    Elijah Moore    34    WR ---- MEH (Demands a trade)
2021    4    Michael Carter    107    RB ---- MEH
2021    5    Jamien Sherwood    146    DB ----- WHIFF
2021    5    Michael Carter    154    S ---- BASE HIT
2021    5    Jason Pinnock    175    CB --- MEH
2021    6    Hamsah Nasirildeen    186    DB ---- WHIFF
2021    6    Brandin Echols    200    CB ---- MEH
2021    6    Jonathan Marshall    207    DL ----- WHIFF
 

2020    1    Mekhi Becton    11    T ---- MEGA BUST
2020    2    Denzel Mims    59    WR ---- BUST
2020    3    Ashtyn Davis    68    S ---- WHIFF (Leonard Williams pick)
2020    3    Jabari Zuniga    79    DE ---- WHIFF
2020    4    La'Mical Perine    120    RB ---- WHIFF
2020    4    James Morgan    125    QB ---- WHIFF
2020    4    Cameron Clark    129    T ---- WHIFF
2020    5    Bryce Hall    158    CB ---- MEH
2020    6    Braden Mann    191    P ---- MEH

More people need to see this 

[playtowinthegame]

@kevinc855 Now let's do JD's free agent acquisitions.

2022 Midseason Trade: F
James Robinson (6th round draft pick)

2022 Free Agency Class

GRADE: B

QB Joe Flacco: Re-signed on a one-year deal. (Team)
QB Mike White: Signed his original-round tender, a one-year contract worth $2.54 million. (Team)
RB Tevin Coleman: Re-signed on a one-year, $1.5 million deal ($650,000 guaranteed) that has a max value of $2.3 million. (Tom Pelissero)
WR Braxton Berrios: Re-signed on a two-year, $12 million contract. (Mike Giardi)
TE Tyler Conklin: Signed a free-agent deal. (Mike Garafolo)
TE C.J. Uzomah: Signed a three-year deal worth $24 million. (Ian Rapoport)
OT Duane Brown: Signing a two-year, $22 million contract. (Tom Pelissero and Ian Rapoport)
OT Conor McDermott: Re-signed to a one-year contract. (Ian Rapoport)
OG Dan Feeney: Re-signed to a free-agent deal. (Team)
OG Laken Tomlinson: Signed a three-year, $40 million deal that includes $27 million guaranteed and has a max value of $41.2 million. (Mike Garafolo)
OL Dan Feeney: Re-signed to a free-agent deal. (Team)
DT Nathan Shepherd: Re-signed on a free-agent contract. (Tom Pelissero)
DL Solomon Thomas: Signed a one-year, $2.25 million deal that includes $1.91 million guaranteed and has a max value of $3.75 million. (Mike Garafolo)
LB Kwon Alexander: Signing a one-year deal. (Ian Rapoport)
LB Jacob Martin: Signed a three-year, $13.5 million contract that includes $6 million guaranteed. (Ian Rapoport)
CB D.J. Reed: Signed a three-year, $33 million contract. (Tom Pelissero)
S Jordan Whitehead: Signed a two-year contract worth $14.5 million. (Ian Rapoport)
DB Lamarcus Joyner: Re-signed on a one-year contract. (Agent)
K Greg Zuerlein: Signed a free-agent contract. (Team)

2021 Free Agency Class

GRADE: C - 

RB Josh Adams: Re-signed a contract. (Team)
RB Tevin Coleman: Signed a one-year, $1.1 million deal with $400,000 guaranteed. (Ian Rapoport and Tom Pelissero)
WR Keelan Cole: Signed a one-year deal worth $5.5 million. (Ian Rapoport)
WR Corey Davis: Signed a three-year, $37.5 million contract. (Ian Rapoport)
TE Tyler Kroft: Signed a one-year, $2 million deal with $1.5 million guaranteed. It has a max value of $3 million with incentives. (Tom Pelissero)
C Dan Feeney: Signed a free-agent deal with the Jets. (Team)
OT Morgan Moses: Agreed to one-year deal with the Jets worth up to $5.3 million. (Ian Rapoport)
DE Vinny Curry: Signed a free-agent deal. (Team)
DE Carl Lawson: Signed a three-year, $45 million deal that includes $30 million guaranteed and has a max value of $47.4 million. (Ian Rapoport)
DT Sheldon Rankins: Signed a two-year deal worth up to $17 million. (Mike Garafolo)
LB Jarrad Davis: Signed a one-year, $7 million deal. (Ian Rapoport)
S Marcus Maye: Received the franchise tag and has signed his one-year tender. (Team)
DB Justin Hardee: Signed a contract with the Jets. (Team)
DB Lamarcus Joyner: Signed a one-year, $4.5 million deal. (Ian Rapoport)

2020 Free Agency Class

GRADE: F

Josh Andrews, C/G: Signing with the Jets, per his agency. (UPDATE: The Jets released Andrews to reach the 53-man roster mark.)
Pierre Desir, CB: Agreed to terms on a one-year deal worth up to $5.5 million, per Rapoport.
George Fant, T: Agreed to terms on a three-year deal worth 27.3 million with a max value of $30 million, per Rapoport.
Joe Flacco, QB: Agreed to terms on a one-year deal with the Jets, per Garafolo. It's a $1.5 million deal that includes another $3 million in incentives.
Frank Gore, RB: Signing a one-year, $1.05 million deal ($200,000 guaranteed) with the Jets, per Pelissero.
Jordan Jenkins, Edge: Agreed to a one-year deal worth $5 million deal, per Rapoport.
Alex Lewis, G: Agreed to terms on a new deal (terms not disclosed), the team announced.
Bradley McDougald, S: Acquired via trade with the Seahawks, along with a first- and third-round pick in 2021 and a first-rounder in 2022, in exchange for safety Jamal Adams and a fourth-round pick in 2022.
Connor McGovern, signing with the Jets on a three-year, $27 million deal that includes $18 million fully guaranteed, per Pelissero.
Donte Moncrief, WR: Signed with the Jets, the team announced. (UPDATE: The Jets released Moncrief to reach the 53-man roster mark.)
Patrick Onwuasor, LB: Agreed to terms to join the Jets (terms not yet disclosed), Rapoport reported.
Breshad Perriman, WR: Signing a one-year deal worth up to $8 million that includes $6 million guaranteed, per his agent.
Brian Poole, CB: Re-signing with the Jets on a one-year deal worth $5 million guaranteed, per his agent, Drew Rosenhaus.
Greg Van Roten, OL: Signed a three-year deal with the Jets, per Rapoport.

2019 Mid-season Trade/ Acquisition made during or before season

GRADE: F

Claims Kaare Vedvik (Kicker)
Traded Leonard Williams (PRO BOWLER) to the Giants for what would become the great Ashtyn Davis. Thank you, Joe Douglas, Thank you. 

[playtowinthegame]

Well folks, by 2025 the Jets should be a playoff team. Hang in there Medicare Jets fans. 

[Fantasy Island]

1 hour ago, RoadFan said:

Justin Fields is not good either.  His release is too slow. 

He threw for more that 200 yards two times.  Less than 150, six times…

A quarterback has to be able to throw the ball.  Running for a 1000 yards is a cool story, but it is not a key to long-term success.  Especially, when the team has to play from behind.

He beat NE, and if Fields was our pick we would be in the playoffs because running effectively opens up the pass.

[Ron Rico]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

By drafting the Offensive Rookie of the Year and a Defensive Rookie of the Year runner up. 

And while this roster has some clear needs, the overall team talent level is miles better than the pathetic Gase Era.

QB, Coaching, and keeping our players healthy are the three primary problems.  

Yes, JD needs to answer for his failure at QB.  He'll get another shot.  We'll see what he does.

I'm not just talking about Zach. Why did Flacco remain on the roster during the losing streak/meltdown when there was clearly no intention of playing him??? The Titans picked a guy off another teams practice squad and he's starting next week, in a game that will decide the division title. 

[kevinc855]

5 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

@kevinc855 Now let's do JD's free agent acquisitions.

 

2022 Free Agency Class

GRADE: B

QB Joe Flacco: Re-signed on a one-year deal. (Team)
QB Mike White: Signed his original-round tender, a one-year contract worth $2.54 million. (Team)
RB Tevin Coleman: Re-signed on a one-year, $1.5 million deal ($650,000 guaranteed) that has a max value of $2.3 million. (Tom Pelissero)
WR Braxton Berrios: Re-signed on a two-year, $12 million contract. (Mike Giardi)
TE Tyler Conklin: Signed a free-agent deal. (Mike Garafolo)
TE C.J. Uzomah: Signed a three-year deal worth $24 million. (Ian Rapoport)
OT Duane Brown: Signing a two-year, $22 million contract. (Tom Pelissero and Ian Rapoport)
OT Conor McDermott: Re-signed to a one-year contract. (Ian Rapoport)
OG Dan Feeney: Re-signed to a free-agent deal. (Team)
OG Laken Tomlinson: Signed a three-year, $40 million deal that includes $27 million guaranteed and has a max value of $41.2 million. (Mike Garafolo)
OL Dan Feeney: Re-signed to a free-agent deal. (Team)
DT Nathan Shepherd: Re-signed on a free-agent contract. (Tom Pelissero)
DL Solomon Thomas: Signed a one-year, $2.25 million deal that includes $1.91 million guaranteed and has a max value of $3.75 million. (Mike Garafolo)
LB Kwon Alexander: Signing a one-year deal. (Ian Rapoport)
LB Jacob Martin: Signed a three-year, $13.5 million contract that includes $6 million guaranteed. (Ian Rapoport)
CB D.J. Reed: Signed a three-year, $33 million contract. (Tom Pelissero)
S Jordan Whitehead: Signed a two-year contract worth $14.5 million. (Ian Rapoport)
DB Lamarcus Joyner: Re-signed on a one-year contract. (Agent)
K Greg Zuerlein: Signed a free-agent contract. (Team)

2021 Free Agency Class

GRADE: C - 

RB Josh Adams: Re-signed a contract. (Team)
RB Tevin Coleman: Signed a one-year, $1.1 million deal with $400,000 guaranteed. (Ian Rapoport and Tom Pelissero)
WR Keelan Cole: Signed a one-year deal worth $5.5 million. (Ian Rapoport)
WR Corey Davis: Signed a three-year, $37.5 million contract. (Ian Rapoport)
TE Tyler Kroft: Signed a one-year, $2 million deal with $1.5 million guaranteed. It has a max value of $3 million with incentives. (Tom Pelissero)
C Dan Feeney: Signed a free-agent deal with the Jets. (Team)
OT Morgan Moses: Agreed to one-year deal with the Jets worth up to $5.3 million. (Ian Rapoport)
DE Vinny Curry: Signed a free-agent deal. (Team)
DE Carl Lawson: Signed a three-year, $45 million deal that includes $30 million guaranteed and has a max value of $47.4 million. (Ian Rapoport)
DT Sheldon Rankins: Signed a two-year deal worth up to $17 million. (Mike Garafolo)
LB Jarrad Davis: Signed a one-year, $7 million deal. (Ian Rapoport)
S Marcus Maye: Received the franchise tag and has signed his one-year tender. (Team)
DB Justin Hardee: Signed a contract with the Jets. (Team)
DB Lamarcus Joyner: Signed a one-year, $4.5 million deal. (Ian Rapoport)

2020 Free Agency Class

GRADE: F

Josh Andrews, C/G: Signing with the Jets, per his agency. (UPDATE: The Jets released Andrews to reach the 53-man roster mark.)
Pierre Desir, CB: Agreed to terms on a one-year deal worth up to $5.5 million, per Rapoport.
George Fant, T: Agreed to terms on a three-year deal worth 27.3 million with a max value of $30 million, per Rapoport.
Joe Flacco, QB: Agreed to terms on a one-year deal with the Jets, per Garafolo. It's a $1.5 million deal that includes another $3 million in incentives.
Frank Gore, RB: Signing a one-year, $1.05 million deal ($200,000 guaranteed) with the Jets, per Pelissero.
Jordan Jenkins, Edge: Agreed to a one-year deal worth $5 million deal, per Rapoport.
Alex Lewis, G: Agreed to terms on a new deal (terms not disclosed), the team announced.
Bradley McDougald, S: Acquired via trade with the Seahawks, along with a first- and third-round pick in 2021 and a first-rounder in 2022, in exchange for safety Jamal Adams and a fourth-round pick in 2022.
Connor McGovern, signing with the Jets on a three-year, $27 million deal that includes $18 million fully guaranteed, per Pelissero.
Donte Moncrief, WR: Signed with the Jets, the team announced. (UPDATE: The Jets released Moncrief to reach the 53-man roster mark.)
Patrick Onwuasor, LB: Agreed to terms to join the Jets (terms not yet disclosed), Rapoport reported.
Breshad Perriman, WR: Signing a one-year deal worth up to $8 million that includes $6 million guaranteed, per his agent.
Brian Poole, CB: Re-signing with the Jets on a one-year deal worth $5 million guaranteed, per his agent, Drew Rosenhaus.
Greg Van Roten, OL: Signed a three-year deal with the Jets, per Rapoport.

2019 Mid-season Trade/ Acquisition made during or before season

GRADE: F

Claims Kaare Vedvik (Kicker)
Traded Leonard Williams (PRO BOWLER) to the Giants for what would become the great Ashtyn Davis. Thank you, Joe Douglas, Thank you. 

Thanks for the breakdown. Some BRUTAL signings. I still remember saying the Perriman signing was bad on here and getting killed for it. That JD was smart and getting a "discount robby anderson"

JD's following is cult like and i don't understand it. 

[playtowinthegame]

1 minute ago, kevinc855 said:

Thanks for the breakdown. Some BRUTAL signings. I still remember saying the Perriman signing was bad on here and getting killed for it. That JD was smart and getting a "discount robby anderson"

JD's following is cult like and i don't understand it. 

 

At least you can say Joe Douglas has gotten better, but what's to say he won't revert and go back to getting off-season F's again. Can you imagine how far the Jets will be set back if Joe Douglas has another off-season similar to 2020 and 2021. That's the argument for ripping the band-aid off and firing everyone, but I don't think the Jets owners will do it. They want to look "stable". 

[Maynard13]

1 hour ago, Ghost420 said:

Wilson played 9 games has 1600 yards passing. Fields played an entire season and only have 2200 yards passing. Sure, he is dynamic running the ball, but he has yet to prove he can throw the ball well in the NFL. 

Fields had a really good stretch in middle of season.  Nothing Wilson has been able to come close to achieve. And the Bears are a mess. Their roster stinks and they had an overhaul in their coaching staff.  The smarter move would have been to take Fields. He was way more game ready and the better athlete.  He has played against better competition in college and played in bigger games. Ask the Bears GM if he would trade Fields for Wilson. Go ahead. Ask.   

[Maynard13]

2 hours ago, Warfish said:

I wanted Fields, to be clear (or Mac Jones).  And I think Fields might have a bright future still.

But Fields is hurt, sitting at home, and his his team is a non-playoff, non-competitive mess.

JD is under pressure because of the QB position, no doubt, but not because of Fields.  Not at this point.

You don't know that and none of us ever will. Point is Fields would have been a smarter, safer pick.  Think about what Fields was able to do this year with that mess of a Bears team. Did you watch how he crunched Belicheat and the Pats? Wilson was so bad Saleh had to deactivate him twice not only for his poor play but also since since he's divorced from reality.  JD was enamored with Wilson's arm strength. Woop de do.  I have tried as many here, to cheer and support the pick. But its clear it was a move that has set the organization back. Fields is 3 times the athlete Wilson is.  Its not even close.  

[Maynard13]

3 hours ago, RoadFan said:

Justin Fields is not good either.  His release is too slow. 

He threw for more that 200 yards two times.  Less than 150, six times…

A quarterback has to be able to throw the ball.  Running for a 1000 yards is a cool story, but it is not a key to long-term success.  Especially, when the team has to play from behind.

When you have no one to throw the ball to you run. And his OL is a freaking joke. And the coaching staff he was first under practically got him disabled. Nothing is black and white. See Darnold - weapons.  Give a QB weapons and an OL and most QB's are going to play decently and great ones will be great.

[Warfish]

10 minutes ago, Maynard13 said:

You don't know that and none of us ever will. Point is Fields would have been a smarter, safer pick.  Think about what Fields was able to do this year with that mess of a Bears team. Did you watch how he crunched Belicheat and the Pats? Wilson was so bad Saleh had to deactivate him twice not only for his poor play but also since since he's divorced from reality.  JD was enamored with Wilson's arm strength. Woop de do.  I have tried as many here, to cheer and support the pick. But its clear it was a move that has set the organization back. Fields is 3 times the athlete Wilson is.  Its not even close.  

Seems you didn't read the first line:

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I wanted Fields, to be clear (or Mac Jones).

I don't feel any need to defend a pick (Wilson) I was vehemently against, and was 100% correct about, lol.

[Maynard13]

3 hours ago, JetPotato said:

Instant gratification? Is that a serious comment? What is Instant about having waited now 12 years for a decent season? And why do we have to always be waiting for the coach to learn on the job, if ever? Sean Payton won't need to learn on the job.

Uhhh JD has been on the job 4 years and we all know the first year doesn't even count.  This has been gone over countless times. Read the cliff notes.  It's a huge work in progress.  Slow and steady.  The Wilson pick has rally hurt but hopefully JD figures that out next season and I'm sure they will do something to address the QB position next year besides Wilson or White. And you can forget about Sean Payton.  Why in the world would he come to a team Woody runs who have had no stability for eons.  Woody would have to give Payton a stake in the organization like Parcells asked for. And we all know that any owner will not be doing that.  

[kevinc855]

 

[dbatesman]

3 hours ago, hawk said:

In my opinion, the roster is better than it has been in a LONG time, and significantly younger.  

This is really damning with faint praise. Being better than Maccagnan, Idzik, and late-stage Tannenbaum is good, I guess, but the team just lost its fifth straight. 

[Saul Goodman]

“The GM isn’t bad, it’s the coaching that’s bad!”

How exactly does that exonerate the person….who hired the coach?