Relax it’s progress

[Barry McCockinner]

6 minutes ago, Prodigal Syndicate said:

When Saleh arrived the cupboards were bare because JD traded away almost any player worth anything and he had one of the worst drafts in franchise history to follow that up. His 2nd draft class isnt looking too hot either.

This roster has holes everywhere and we have no QB and no O line.

And guess what. No more surplus of picks from trades. No more surplus of cap space. No top 10 pick.

This is what happens when you switch out gms and coaches all the time. They start over and trade away whatever they can usually because it doesn't fit. 

We have guys on the o-line. we were decimated by injuries there this year. It happens.

Agree with you on QB. 

The roster is way better today than it was a few years ago.

We could actually still draft to 10 btw.

 

[Gibby]

18 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

If the jets coaches and front office takes the same attitude that 'oh it was just injuries' they are setting themselves up for horrible failure in the future.

The team has more holes than we thought earlier in the year (regardless of injuries) .  They have to address those holes or we will progress no further.

Okay- let’s be honest….. This IS the Jets we’re talking about. We ALL know they’ll NEVER get it right. Just not what they do.? 

They’ll undoubtedly have most of us believing a little for a few weeks next year- until they sh*t themselves again. Say it with me- SOJ.

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[Green Ghost]

9 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Our QB situation blows but we best Buffalo with Zach Wilson at QB this year. We need to reset at QB with a steady veteran arm.

Add a T and a C/G in the off-season and there's no reason we can't compete with all those teams.

 

I’d argue the difference in QB play those teams have is the reason you’re not seeing, but at the end of the day what we think doesn’t matter.

Hopefully you’re the one who is right though. We deserve to get some enjoyment from all of this.

[RevisIsland610]

It doesn't feel like much progress when you are on a 5 games losing streak and look like a pop warner team in the last 2 games. A possible 7-10 record and another year without the playoffs still feels like SOJ. We need a real coach and a real QB. 

[redlichtie]

This team was 7-9 under the worst HC in history(apparently) and with a team built by the most incompetent GM in history(apparently)…if the cupboard was bare then, what is it now?

[JetPotato]

9 hours ago, ppls17 said:

If we miss playoffs next year than progress will have stopped so no I wouldn’t be having the same conversation. 12 years unacceptable but let’s not pretend that’s all on this gm and coach


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It is on the GM and coach. It's also on the owner to find the right GM and coach. But guess what... you can't change the owner.

[Bronx]

35 years as a fan and with continous hopelessness/disappointments. This is masochism 101 at best. 

One day, there won't be fans around like us NY Jets fans.

[kevinc855]

10 hours ago, ppls17 said:

 

I don’t post often but felt the need after a hard loss. Remember the Jets improved from a year ago. There collapse is due to injuries ( not all happened at once)imo. Hall and three potential starters on the offensive line have made it impossible for consistency.

 

Defense is light years better than last year. And have young promising corners and good pass rushers.

 

Offense we have becton (long shot potential) max and Vera tucker coming back along with hall eventually. Also have another year of experience of growth from Wilson’s ( Zach may suck but I want to see behind a more stable line)

 

We wanted meaningful games in December and we had them, next year we demand playoffs.

 

 

 

 

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This is the most Same old jets fan post ever 

“relax everyone that implosion and sub 500 season was ok….”JUST WAIT TO NEXT YEAR”

[Trotter]

2 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

This is the most Same old jets fan post ever 

“relax everyone that implosion and sub 500 season was ok….”JUST WAIT TO NEXT YEAR”

So what do you want to do?

fire saleh? Fire jd? 
neither is going to or should happen.

there needs to be changes in the coaching staff no doubt but you can’t continue to run a team on 2 year coaches.

if you do you will always have rookie coaches ad your only option to come here.

team has flaws biggest one being the qb.

they need to focus there from both a skill player and coaching.

everyone is pissed  and rightfully so, but firing those guys while making some happy sets you back further

[Matt39]

4 minutes ago, Trotter said:

So what do you want to do?

fire saleh? Fire jd? 
neither is going to or should happen.

there needs to be changes in the coaching staff no doubt but you can’t continue to run a team on 2 year coaches.

if you do you will always have rookie coaches ad your only option to come here.

team has flaws biggest one being the qb.

they need to focus there from both a skill player and coaching.

everyone is pissed  and rightfully so, but firing those guys while making some happy sets you back further

I don’t know yet in terms of what to do. If the Jets have not been practicing in pads for a month then yeah this coaching staff has probably been coasting. Players warming up in costumes. If there’s more behind the scenes stuff going on like this, then Woody would be a fool to let this continue. A collapse of this magnitude doesn’t just happen. Saleh rolls up to Douglas so ultimately it falls on him too. Get the sense the Jets didn’t prepare at all during this mini bye week and it showed.

[Biggs]

10 hours ago, ppls17 said:

 

I don’t post often but felt the need after a hard loss. Remember the Jets improved from a year ago. There collapse is due to injuries ( not all happened at once)imo. Hall and three potential starters on the offensive line have made it impossible for consistency.

 

Defense is light years better than last year. And have young promising corners and good pass rushers.

 

Offense we have becton (long shot potential) max and Vera tucker coming back along with hall eventually. Also have another year of experience of growth from Wilson’s ( Zach may suck but I want to see behind a more stable line)

 

We wanted meaningful games in December and we had them, next year we demand playoffs.

 

 

 

 

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You lost me on next year we demand playoffs.  WTF does that even mean?  It's a competition, every game is a competition.  We either make the playoffs or we don't based on our record for the year against the league.  We're either one of the 14 teams that make the playoffs or we aren't.  

This Jets team actually has a worse record in it's last 7 games than last years team.  Yesterday's game was torture to watch.  We played a mediocre team and didn't put up a fight.  It wasn't competitive.  As a Jets fan it would have been better if we forfieted so I didn't have to actually watch it.  

If you thought yesterday's December game was meangingul, you've bought into a narrative that doesn't end well.  

[Trotter]

6 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

I don’t know yet in terms of what to do. If the Jets have not been practicing in pads for a month then yeah this coaching staff has probably been coasting. Players warming up in costumes. If there’s more behind the scenes stuff going on like this, then Woody would be a fool to let this continue. A collapse of this magnitude doesn’t just happen. Saleh rolls up to Douglas so ultimately it falls on him too. Get the sense the Jets didn’t prepare at all during this mini bye week and it showed.

Being unprepared is such a valid point and I should have considered that when I stated saleh should not be let go.

it us just that an org will not be successful with a new coaching staff every 2 years.

if there is truth to the no pads and other dusturbing coaching issues floating around, then jd has some very difficult decisions to make.

I am not all in on saleh by any means but would like to see some continuity.

on the other hand making the same mistakes next season for the sake of not changing gets you nowhere as well.

certainly smarter minds than mine

 

[JiF]

They havent scored a TD since 12/18/2022.

They were 6-4 when they benched their #2 overall pick and proceed to win 1 game vs. another back up QB and then lose out, to teams w/ under .500 records, 2 of them, home games, all with the playoffs on the line.  The D missed 20 tackles yesterday.  They're going to lose 6 straight to end the season.

That is called regression, not progression. 

[JiF]

10 hours ago, T0mShane said:

 

JD is making Big Mac look tasty AF right now...

[Matt39]

2 minutes ago, Trotter said:

Being unprepared is such a valid point and I should have considered that when I stated saleh should not be let go.

it us just that an org will not be successful with a new coaching staff every 2 years.

if there is truth to the no pads and other dusturbing coaching issues floating around, then jd has some very difficult decisions to make.

I am not all in on saleh by any means but would like to see some continuity.

on the other hand making the same mistakes next season for the sake of not changing gets you nowhere as well.

certainly smarter minds than mine

 

I’ve got back and forth on Saleh more than any Jets coach they’ve had. I just don’t know. Sometimes I think he’s truly the CEO/detail guy we’ve been desperate for and then you see players showing up in pregames in costumes and then lay an egg and you wonder if there’s any commitment to winning?

[BP]

The way they got to this point is a huge problem. I could give two sh*ts about their record if they played and were coached well and just weren’t good enough.

The Lions game and the Jaguars games were kotitesque as was yesterdays pathetic performance. 
 

Also after the cat got out of the bag of how to beat our defense and play our offense, our idiot coaches haven’t made one adjustment. They’re still ramming that square peg into a round circle. I do not consider this progress. I think you’re putting a positive spin on a pile of sh*t.

[Green Ghost]

9 hours ago, Prodigal Syndicate said:

When Saleh arrived the cupboards were bare because JD traded away almost any player worth anything and he had one of the worst drafts in franchise history to follow that up. His 2nd draft class isnt looking too hot either.

This roster has holes everywhere and we have no QB and no O line.

And guess what. No more surplus of picks from trades. No more surplus of cap space. No top 10 pick.

And yet people think we’re on the cusp of aSuper Bowl.

People here love to go overboard when evaluating any decent players we might actually have.

[Green Ghost]

10 hours ago, ppls17 said:

They do when the cupboard is completely bare. Teams that keep same coach tend to get thru it better. Like Pittsburgh with tomlin l. We would have called for his firing halfway thru season


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No they don’t.

The New York Giants say hello.

[slats]

10 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said:

When JD and Saleh arrived the cupboards were bare. The current losing streak is bad but zoom out and we're heading the right direction.

Firing everyone every 2/3 years sets the franchise back and should be avoided unless it's obvious the team is heading the wrong direction.

Every time you change it coaches/schemes/gms you lose value previously invested in because it doesn't match the new.

Get healthy, bring in a veteran QB and continue to add pieces in the draft. This team isn't far off which no one would have said a few years ago.

If the team started like crap this year with a bunch of injuries and then finished healthy and strong with the identical record I think there would be universal agreement that the team is much improved. Unfortunately, it played out the other way. The only really good thing about that is that they should be able to understand they need a starting QB. The roster is better, they need to stay healthy now. 
 
This fire everybody mentality is a major part of what’s wrong with this franchise. People looking to replace JD are delusional. This last month has been pure disappointment, but JD is still light-years better than any executive associated with team at least since Parcells and maybe since Weeb. We actually have someone in the big chair who can handle the whole job. That’s been forever. 
 
They took over a team that hadn’t been to the playoffs in 9 or 10 years. Hanging that on them is bull****. They need to stay the course. 

[GangGreened]

If the loss of a f*cking HB in todays NFL is going to sink your entire season you have the wrong people in place.

[Biggs]

5 minutes ago, slats said:

If the team started like crap this year with a bunch of injuries and then finished healthy and strong with the identical record I think there would be universal agreement that the team is much improved. Unfortunately, it played out the other way. The only really good thing about that is that they should be able to understand they need a starting QB. The roster is better, they need to stay healthy now. 
 
This fire everybody mentality is a major part of what’s wrong with this franchise. People looking to replace JD are delusional. This last month has been pure disappointment, but JD is still light-years better than any executive associated with team at least since Parcells and maybe since Weeb. We actually have someone in the big chair who can handle the whole job. That’s been forever. 
 
They took over a team that hadn’t been to the playoffs in 9 or 10 years. Hanging that on them is bull****. They need to stay the course. 

Yet the best player on this team who was an actual difference maker was drafted by Mac.  I wouldn't fire JD either.  I think he's mediocre but way better than any one else Woody might hire. 

[slats]

1 minute ago, Biggs said:

Yet the best player on this team who was an actual difference maker was drafted by Mac.  I wouldn't fire JD either.  I think he's mediocre but way better than any one else Woody might hire. 

I think that changes if Breece stays healthy or Garrett Wilson has someone who can get him the football. Sauce is a rookie all pro. I think mediocre is a pretty harsh assessment, personally, but you’re absolutely correct when you say Woody won’t be able to hire anyone better. People need to take that into account. What sort of candidates are looking at the Jets if they fire their second coach in a row after just two seasons? 

[k-met57]

in what world is ending the season on such a bad losing streak that the entire NFL is wondering if the jets are going to FIRE EVERYONE progress?

If the jets win next week, they will have the same record they did last year week 13 on. If they lose, they would have actually gotten worse, with more of a question at QB then going into the offseason last year.

progress

[Biggs]

11 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

And all these problems DESPITE potentially having had the best draft in franchise history last year.

2000 draft Ellis, Abraham, Coles, Pennington and Becht.  

1979 Draft Lyons, Gastineau, Dykes and Blinka

2006  Brick and Mangold, Leon Washington and Eric Smith

1977 Marvin Powell, Wesley Walker, Scott Dierking,  Joe Klecko and Randy Rasmunssen along with Matt Robinson

1965 Namath, Biggs and Sauer

[Bugg]

1 hour ago, BP said:

The way they got to this point is a huge problem. I could give two sh*ts about their record if they played and were coached well and just weren’t good enough.

The Lions game and the Jaguars games were kotitesque as was yesterdays pathetic performance. 
 

Also after the cat got out of the bag of how to beat our defense and play our offense, our idiot coaches haven’t made one adjustment. They’re still ramming that square peg into a round circle. I do not consider this progress. I think you’re putting a positive spin on a pile of sh*t.

Problem is Robert Wood Johnson IV is repellent to real football guys. If he had a plan in place to blow Sean Payton out of the water to take over the whole thing, that would be one thing. But we've seen it over and over; he fires everyone without a clear plan in place, and Jets get stuck with what ever bottom feeder GM or coach will take their money after the annual NFL game of musical chairs ends. 

[Biggs]

9 minutes ago, slats said:

I think that changes if Breece stays healthy or Garrett Wilson has someone who can get him the football. Sauce is a rookie all pro. I think mediocre is a pretty harsh assessment, personally, but you’re absolutely correct when you say Woody won’t be able to hire anyone better. People need to take that into account. What sort of candidates are looking at the Jets if they fire their second coach in a row after just two seasons? 

Last years draft was excellent.  We still traded up to take a mediocre player in the first round.  GW has been terrific.  The guy drafted after him Chris Olave has been just as good.  The 2022 draft has produced a lot of really good players.   Chalk picks and we have a really good draft.  The reach for Johnson doesn't look like a good move.  

[Barry McCockinner]

20 minutes ago, slats said:

If the team started like crap this year with a bunch of injuries and then finished healthy and strong with the identical record I think there would be universal agreement that the team is much improved. Unfortunately, it played out the other way. The only really good thing about that is that they should be able to understand they need a starting QB. The roster is better, they need to stay healthy now. 
 
This fire everybody mentality is a major part of what’s wrong with this franchise. People looking to replace JD are delusional. This last month has been pure disappointment, but JD is still light-years better than any executive associated with team at least since Parcells and maybe since Weeb. We actually have someone in the big chair who can handle the whole job. That’s been forever. 
 
They took over a team that hadn’t been to the playoffs in 9 or 10 years. Hanging that on them is bull****. They need to stay the course. 

I agree. I will say this though - this collapse to end the season is on Saleh's record now. He can't do it again without a lot of winning seasons in between. You can look at the context surrounding this one and understand. A repeat performance won't have many empathetic people, rightfully so.

[k-met57]

6 minutes ago, Biggs said:

2000 draft Ellis, Abraham, Coles, Pennington and Becht.  

1979 Draft Lyons, Gastineau, Dykes and Blinka

2006  Brick and Mangold, Leon Washington and Eric Smith

1977 Marvin Powell, Wesley Walker, Scott Dierking,  Joe Klecko and Randy Rasmunssen along with Matt Robinson

1965 Namath, Biggs and Sauer

no comment on the general post, but calling out Eric Smith? lol...i still have nightmares of Tebow turning the corner on him. what a scrub he was. BTW 6 pro bowlers drafted in the 15 picks after him.

[Matt39]

1 minute ago, k-met57 said:

no comment on the general post, but calling out Eric Smith? lol...i still have nightmares of Tebow turning the corner on him. what a scrub he was. BTW 6 pro bowlers drafted in the 15 picks after him.

He’d be the best safety on the roster. Also, did you see the shot of Joyner on the sideline yesterday? Didn’t exactly look in “game shape”

[k-met57]

1 minute ago, Matt39 said:

He’d be the best safety on the roster. Also, did you see the shot of Joyner on the sideline yesterday? Didn’t exactly look in “game shape”

he was dog sh*t. he was always getting beat, and i recall him always being good for a dumb penalty.

[Biggs]

1 hour ago, Trotter said:

So what do you want to do?

fire saleh? Fire jd? 
neither is going to or should happen.

there needs to be changes in the coaching staff no doubt but you can’t continue to run a team on 2 year coaches.

if you do you will always have rookie coaches ad your only option to come here.

team has flaws biggest one being the qb.

they need to focus there from both a skill player and coaching.

everyone is pissed  and rightfully so, but firing those guys while making some happy sets you back further

You might be right.  Let's suppose we go out and do what Denver did and get ourselves an elite NFL QB and tie him up with a huge contract.  Lets suppose he turns into Russell Wilson.  Who's coming to the NY Jets to fix this mess?

[JetsFanatic]

12 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

And all these problems DESPITE potentially having had the best draft in franchise history last year.

Drafts are not a “get rich quick “ deal. They provide sustained success once you string a few together. I’m convinced JD is a quality GM, I’m not nearly as convinced about Saleh.

[Matt39]

5 minutes ago, k-met57 said:

he was dog sh*t. he was always getting beat, and i recall him always being good for a dumb penalty.

First play of the game- Whitehead whiff and Joyner taking a terrible angle of pursuit:

 

[Trotter]

2 minutes ago, Biggs said:

You might be right.  Let's suppose we go out and do what Denver did and get ourselves an elite NFL QB and tie him up with a huge contract.  Lets suppose he turns into Russell Wilson.  Who's coming to the NY Jets to fix this mess?

it really sucks because the qb situation is a huge mess.

There is a great risk to the elite qb as you state because honestly most are past their prime. If you get someone a tier down whether that is Carr, Mayfiled, Jimmy G etc, I simply do not have the confidence in the coaching staff as it exists to develop/utilize them properly.

Just really sick and tired of the same conversation after every few years.

[k-met57]

1 minute ago, Matt39 said:

First play of the game- Whitehead whiff and Joyner taking a terrible angle of pursuit: