Watch what Woody does this week.

[Cut Jet Penalty Makers]

If we don't hear this week from Woody with an endorsement of this regime, particularly with Saleh, then I think changes are afoot. There is no point with him waiting until after the Miami game. This was our biggest game in years and whatever happens with Miami is completely inconsequential. In my opinion, Woody has made his decision on the plane ride back last night. The fact that the team did not show a proper effort for this coach is all he needed to know. Silence from Florham Park will be telling. In that case, think Saleh may be gone. Black Monday will soon be here.

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

Woody won't do jacksh-t . He has no balls . SELL WOODY SELL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[68JET11]

What do you want Woody to do here people... We've asked over and over again for Woody to stay out of football decisions. I might be a JD supporter, but this offseason and Black Monday will be telling for JD. He needs to show that he is ready to make tough decisions and hold this coaching staff accountable, including himself.

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

Just now, 68JET11 said:

What do you want Woody to do here people... We've asked over and over again for Woody to stay out of football decisions. I might be a JD supporter, but this offseason and Black Monday will be telling for JD. He needs to show that he is ready to make tough decisions and hold this coaching staff accountable, including himself.

JD is part of the problem . He drafted Zach .

[usapaw]

Maybe they should finish this year's draft before making any decisions? 

[kevinc855]

1 minute ago, usapaw said:

Maybe they should finish this year's draft before making any decisions? 

Why? We are here because we didn’t rest well? Look at Zach Wilson? Look at Becton not on the field? Look at Mimms? 

[68JET11]

4 minutes ago, SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN said:

JD is part of the problem . He drafted Zach .

I guess you didn't read the part where I wrote hold himself accountable as well. He gets 2023 and that's it for him, unless Payton reaches out to Woody and says I want to coach this team...

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

1 minute ago, 68JET11 said:

I guess you didn't read the part where I wrote hold himself accountable as well. He gets 2023 and that's it for him, unless Payton reaches out to Woody and says I want to coach this team...

Vince Lombardi could reach out to coach this team and it still wouldn't help . We are jinxed from 1969 .

[extmenace]

Outside of maybe a change at OC/ QB coach and etc, there won’t be much change. Outside of gase, everyone has gotten at least 3 seasons as a HC. I’d rather have seen this team end on a higher note but here are the facts:

- the jets went from one of the worst defenses to a top 5 unit (all while the offense consistently putting it in a bad position )

- the jets won 4 games in 2021. We’ll win either 7 or 8 in 2022

- the jets hit on multiple first round picks this year and our core players at the skill positions look great heading into next season. Sauce, breece, and g Wilson will all likely be top tier players at their given positions. We also have talented players in several spots. 

- the team lost arguably their two most important players on offense with AVT and breece. Prior to those injuries, this offense was winning games with the worst QB in the league. This team has the potential to be an elite rushing offense. Something we couldn’t have said at the end of last season.
 

we have a young team and while it’s hard to be positive at this point, most franchises done pull a bengals and go from worst to super bowl contenders. The jets will have another offseason to upgrade some of its weaknesses. This team will be a dark horse contender next year assuming we can land a QB and can fix the o line. This team isn’t as far away from competing as we’ve seen in previous years. A couple of additions to get this offense to average and we’ll have a team that can contend. We’re a lot closer to being relevant than we have been in 7 or 8 years.

 

 

 

 

[joewilly12]

6 minutes ago, usapaw said:

 

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

Joe Douglas has had 1 home run draft but a ton of whiffs

McGovern sucks

Fant sucks

LDT was starting RG yesterday 

Tomlinson isn’t worth what JD gave him 

4 years in, the OL he is supposedly an expert scouting guru on still looks like gutter trash

Nearly got MW killed in Buffalo

LOL Becton

The QB situation is beyond a joke

Joyner freaking sucks, and that’s only during the 1 of every 4 games he can actually stay on the field

He drafted a free safety (Ashtyn Davis) on day 2 that’s forever 4th on the depth chart and can only get on the field in Hail Mary situations.  Davis also has track speed but can’t get on the field as a returner because they only trust Berrios.

[playtowinthegame]

You either fire both JD and Saleh or do nothing. I don't want JD picking my next HC, and I certainly don't want to limit my pool of GM canidates by forcing Saleh onto a potential GM hire. 

[Augustiniak]

3 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

Joe Douglas has had 1 home run draft but a ton of whiffs

McGovern sucks

Fant sucks

LDT was starting RG yesterday 

Tomlinson isn’t worth what JD gave him 

This OL he is supposedly an expert scouting guru on looks like gutter trash

Nearly got MW killed in Buffalo

And the QB situation is beyond a joke

Joyner freaking sucks, and that’s only during the 1 of every 4 games he can actually stay on the field

He drafted a free safety (Ashtyn Davis) on day 2 that’s forever 4th on the depth chart and can only get on the field in Hail Mary situations.  Davis also has track speed but can’t get on the field as a returner because they only trust Berrios.

At least with the OL, it’s gotten worse b/c of injuries.  If you add avt, becton (to the extent he can remain on the field) and mitchell, the unit is better.  This unit has not been ignored.

the main issue as always is qb with OC 2nd.  This team can’t develop qbs or get the most out of them.  Watching darnold look better on carolina makes me wonder if the jets can ever develop anyone. I do think saleh is going to be forced to can MLF to save his job, with the offense as bad as it is and wilson playing as bad as he is.  You can’t blame the no tds on the weapons anymore.  That was always the case but now it’s not an excuse.  It’s the qb and OC. 

[JiFtheOracle]

29 minutes ago, Cut Jet Penalty Makers said:

If we don't hear this week from Woody with an endorsement of this regime, particularly with Saleh, then I think changes are afoot. There is no point with him waiting until after the Miami game. This was our biggest game in years and whatever happens with Miami is completely inconsequential. In my opinion, Woody has made his decision on the plane ride back last night. The fact that the team did not show a proper effort for this coach is all he needed to know. Silence from Florham Park will be telling. In that case, think Saleh may be gone. Black Monday will soon be here.

I hope you're right but I doubt it.  Saleh talks like man that has been reassured he's coming back for another season.

[Augustiniak]

1 minute ago, playtowinthegame said:

You either fire both JD and Saleh or do nothing. I don't want JD picking my next HC, and I certainly don't want to limit my pool of GM canidates by forcing Saleh onto a potential GM hire. 

I think we’re going to get the hedge, that saleh will have to get rid of MLF and bring in a vet qb.   

[playtowinthegame]

1 minute ago, Augustiniak said:

I think we’re going to get the hedge, that saleh will have to get rid of MLF and bring in a vet qb.   

I agree. It'll be an interesting off-season for sure once free agency gets here. You know JD will be making swing for the fences moves to save his neck. 

[usapaw]

9 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

Joe Douglas has had 1 home run draft but a ton of whiffs

McGovern sucks

Fant sucks

LDT was starting RG yesterday 

Tomlinson isn’t worth what JD gave him 

4 years in, the OL he is supposedly an expert scouting guru on still looks like gutter trash

Nearly got MW killed in Buffalo

LOL Becton

The QB situation is beyond a joke

Joyner freaking sucks, and that’s only during the 1 of every 4 games he can actually stay on the field

He drafted a free safety (Ashtyn Davis) on day 2 that’s forever 4th on the depth chart and can only get on the field in Hail Mary situations.  Davis also has track speed but can’t get on the field as a returner because they only trust Berrios.

Yes. not a great track record but you forgot to mention the good players?  Who did you want to start at RG yesterday, the rest are all injured? No, we didn't go from 4 wins to 11. Get over it. We need a better OL and a couple more O and D bright spots.  I get it, yesterday I wanted to fire everyone, but that will just get us back to 4 wins.  

[Bronx]

The Johnsons will own you forever!

[Phillyjet]

Thought I’d wake up feelin a bit better but nope.  I smell blood in the water.  Was listening to a podcast with Jay Mueller last week and he was irate about the Jay Glazer report that the Jets were moving on from Zach. He was convinced it was leaked from the coaching staff.  And he presumed JD was really pissed off.

Take that with the LaConfora report that Woody’s relationship with Saleh is shaky, and it looks like there may be legs here, assuming JD and Saleh are no longer on the same page.

I thought there was no way Saleh would be gone this off-season but now it feels 50/50.  And I don’t see him cutting loose on MLF if he is asked to do so. 

I think JD is safe, not sure about Saleh.  This will be a crazy off-season.  If they lurch too hard for a savior at QB it could put us back years.  If they get rid of Saleh, you go all in on an established offensive coach.  I’d be scared as hell to bring Carr here. Jimmy G ain’t coming.  Sign Darnold or Brissett, maybe bring back White.  See what a Frank Reich can do with this team.  

 

[Augustiniak]

2 minutes ago, Phillyjet said:

Thought I’d wake up feelin a bit better but nope.  I smell blood in the water.  Was listening to a podcast with Jay Mueller last week and he was irate about the Jay Glazer report that the Jets were moving on from Zach. He was convinced it was leaked from the coaching staff.  And he presumed JD was really pissed off.

Take that with the LaConfora report that Woody’s relationship with Saleh is shaky, and it looks like there may be legs here, assuming JD and Saleh are no longer on the same page.

I thought there was no way Saleh would be gone this off-season but now it feels 50/50.  And I don’t see him cutting loose on MLF if he is asked to do so. 

I think JD is safe, not sure about Saleh.  This will be a crazy off-season.  If they lurch too hard for a savior at QB it could put us back years.  If they get rid of Saleh, you go all in on an established offensive coach.  I’d be scared as hell to bring Carr here. Jimmy G ain’t coming.  Sign Darnold or Brissett, maybe bring back White.  See what a Frank Reich can do with this team.  

 

I think MLF has to go at a minimum, between the td drought and the abject failure of wilson.  There have to be consequences.  And there’s no way they can bring in a guy like carr, keep MLF and then have the offense fail again.  That would definitely mean the end of saleh.  So i do think at a minimum we’ll have a new OC.  

I wanted reich here since when they brought in bowles.  He’s a good fit.

[JetPotato]

49 minutes ago, 68JET11 said:

What do you want Woody to do here people... We've asked over and over again for Woody to stay out of football decisions. I might be a JD supporter, but this offseason and Black Monday will be telling for JD. He needs to show that he is ready to make tough decisions and hold this coaching staff accountable, including himself.

JD is one of the decisions that Woody needs to make. Sean Payton means JD and Saleh are both gone. It's 100% on Woody to make this happen. It's time for him to put in a days work for the first time in his life.

[JetPotato]

47 minutes ago, usapaw said:

Maybe they should finish this year's draft before making any decisions? 

What? You serious?

[Phillyjet]

4 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

I think MLF has to go at a minimum, between the td drought and the abject failure of wilson.  There have to be consequences.  And there’s no way they can bring in a guy like carr, keep MLF and then have the offense fail again.  That would definitely mean the end of saleh.  So i do think at a minimum we’ll have a new OC.  

I wanted reich here since when they brought in bowles.  He’s a good fit.

It all comes down to the JD/Saleh relationship.  I’m no longer convinced they are on the same page.  And if they aren’t big changes are in store.  That’s where Reich could be a stabilizer if Saleh goes.  We’ll know pretty quickly next week if JD and Saleh are still a team.  If they are, then I agree the changes will be on the offensive staff.  Buckle up fans! 

[redlichtie]

53 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

You either fire both JD and Saleh or do nothing. I don't want JD picking my next HC, and I certainly don't want to limit my pool of GM canidates by forcing Saleh onto a potential GM hire. 

This!
The reality is neither should be gone, we tried that endless cycle and it has failed, both have shown promise and done some good things  but JD sure has as many question marks around him as Saleh does. No way Douglas gets to pick a 3rd HC. If it really is that bad then he is as much a part of the problem as anyone.
Once we all calm down we realise that we all have to be in this for the long haul then we accept that both are back for ‘23…but on very very short leashes…the cult of JD needs to wind it’s neck in and realise he’s not the messiah while all around him is incompetence 

[Augustiniak]

2 minutes ago, Phillyjet said:

It all comes down to the JD/Saleh relationship.  I’m no longer convinced they are on the same page.  And if they aren’t big changes are in store.  That’s where Reich could be a stabilizer if Saleh goes.  We’ll know pretty quickly next week if JD and Saleh are still a team.  If they are, then I agree the changes will be on the offensive staff.  Buckle up fans! 

I agree that relationships could be fraying.  Saleh’s job is to win games and no doubt he’d like to bring in a vet qb to run things.  The problem is going to be who gets blame for wilson.  And someone is going to have to pay and likely it’s MLF first. 

[Charlie Brown]

43 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

At least with the OL, it’s gotten worse b/c of injuries.  If you add avt, becton (to the extent he can remain on the field) and mitchell, the unit is better.  This unit has not been ignored.

the main issue as always is qb with OC 2nd.  This team can’t develop qbs or get the most out of them.  Watching darnold look better on carolina makes me wonder if the jets can ever develop anyone. I do think saleh is going to be forced to can MLF to save his job, with the offense as bad as it is and wilson playing as bad as he is.  You can’t blame the no tds on the weapons anymore.  That was always the case but now it’s not an excuse.  It’s the qb and OC. 

Though Darnold lost yesterday in a big game, he lost, he had over 320 yards passing, 3 TDs and 1 INT, and a QBR of 108 in a game in which Tom Brady had to play lights out to win. 

Look ….No we don’t know how to develop the QB position.

We can either say this at this point or we could say that all players magically show competent play through fairy dust when they leave here!
 

[Biggs]

2 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

Though Darnold lost yesterday in a big game, he lost, he had over 320 yards passing, 3 TDs and 1 INT, and a QBR of 108 in a big big game in which Tom Brady had to play lights out to win. 

Look ….No we don’t know how to develop the QB position.

We can either say this at this point or we could say that all players magically show competent play through fairy dust when they leave here!
 

Darnold was straight trash yesterday.  He had 3 fumbles, 2 for turnovers including an INT.   The fumbles don't impact his QBR which was terrific.  Yet if you go outside his passing numbers he cost them the game and actually sucked in a big spot.  

[Augustiniak]

2 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

Though Darnold lost yesterday in a big game, he lost, he had over 320 yards passing, 3 TDs and 1 INT, and a QBR of 108 in a game in which Tom Brady had to play lights out to win. 

Look ….No we don’t know how to develop the QB position.

We can either say this at this point or we could say that all players magically show competent play through fairy dust when they leave here!
 

The reason always cited here for darnold’s failure was lack of weapons.  You can’t say that with wilson.  They even have veteran TEs now.  

Will wilson develop into a competent starter like darnold and geno, jury is still out.  I have little doubt that wilson will be better anywhere else though.  The only hope to develop wilson here is to bring in someone like reich, but that would also threaten saleh’s job.  Yet if saleh keeps MLF that also threatens his job.

one thing is certain, there has to be change.  Surely woody is aware that geno and darnold are playing way better now than they did with the jets.  That has to resonate on some level when assessing what the real problems are with the team.  How ironic that the problem may not actually be the gm’s drafting after all. 

[Warfish]

48 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

You either fire both JD and Saleh or do nothing. I don't want JD picking my next HC, and I certainly don't want to limit my pool of GM canidates by forcing Saleh onto a potential GM hire. 

I don't agree.  Saleh has shown nothing (IMO) to warrant ongoing employment as a Head Coach.  

JD has put together a roster that we ALL thought was playoff bound a few weeks ago, a roster we all felt was talented.

Hasn't been perfect, no, far from it, but he's been more than acceptable so far as a GM.

His miss on Wilson, and worse, his potential 2023 forcing of Wilson back as the starter, would be (IMO) disqualifying, yes.  But we don't know that yet.

But absolutely I could see JD get another swing at both Head Coach and QB before he is let go, based on where we are so far, and where the problems are.

More than anything tho, this team needs to find out why we are always so injured, so often, at so many key positions.  Attrition murdered us this year just as much as bad QB play.

[Phillyjet]

13 minutes ago, redlichtie said:

This!
The reality is neither should be gone, we tried that endless cycle and it has failed, both have shown promise and done some good things  but JD sure has as many question marks around him as Saleh does. No no way Douglas gets to pick a 3rd HC. If it really is that bad then he is as much a part of the problem as anyone.
Once we all calm down we realise that we all have to be in this for the long haul then we accept that both are back for ‘23…but on very very short leashes…the cult of JD needs to wind it’s neck in and realise he’s not the messiah while all around him is incompetence 

Really comes down to the relationships in the building.  La Canfora is annoying but has legit sources sometimes.  That’s why a nerdy dude like him is kept around.  Sort of like a modern day Clayton.  
 

He has been talking of the building collapsing from within. If there is any truth to that, you have to act on it.  If not, I agree. stay the course, bring in a new OC if you can.  By their quit the last couple of weeks, it seems there may be legs here.  Just sayin’

[BigRy56]

Perfect time to start a slow rollout of the upcoming MetLife opt out announcement. Maybe roll back the uniforms. Do the right thing Woody

[Biggs]

The obvious low cost move is to replace Lefleur.  Now if Saleh digs in on this and Woody and JD want him gone this could get interesting. 

I'm on the fence on Lefleur.  I think he sucks, lacks creativity, doesn't adjust and none of the interior OL men understand the blocking scheme but I'm willing to give him a pass because his big brother is Saleh's bestie.  

[Charlie Brown]

10 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

Though Darnold lost yesterday in a big game, he lost, he had over 320 yards passing, 3 TDs and 1 INT, and a QBR of 108 in a game in which Tom Brady had to play lights out to win. 

Look ….No we don’t know how to develop the QB position.

We can either say this at this point or we could say that all players magically show competent play through fairy dust when they leave here!
 

Ummmmm didn’t watch the game but from what I can tell Sam was not trash.  99% of Panthers after yesterday’s game want Darnold back on the team but would like for an upgrade.  They view Sam as a quality backup right now ..

See for yourself..

https://www.carolinahuddle.com/topic/181681-can-sam-darnold-play-himself-into-becoming-the-2023-starter/?&page=8#comments
 

[Augustiniak]

Just now, Biggs said:

The obvious low cost move is to replace Lefleur.  Now if Saleh digs in on this and Woody and JD want him gone this could get interesting. 

I'm on the fence on Lefleur.  I think he sucks, lacks creativity, doesn't adjust and none of the interior OL men understand the blocking scheme but I'm willing to give him a pass because hiss big brother is Saleh's bestie.  

If you buy into the notion there has to be a consequence then yes, MLF is the obvious choice.  Douglas will blame him for Wilson’s fail and saleh will have to get rid of him to keep his own job.  As you said however if saleh doubles down on MLF not only does he risk his own position now but if they bring in a guy like carr and he fails with MLF that’s the end of the entire coaching staff.  So saleh is in a tough spot.  

[Augustiniak]

1 minute ago, Charlie Brown said:

Ummmmm didn’t watch the game but from what I can tell Sam was not trash.  99% of Panthers after yesterday’s game want Darnold back on the team but would like for an upgrade.  They view Sam as a quality backup right now ..

See for yourself..

https://www.carolinahuddle.com/topic/181681-can-sam-darnold-play-himself-into-becoming-the-2023-starter/?&page=8#comments
 

Darnold is not perfect.  But this year in 16 games the jets have scored in single digits 4 times and 12 or fewer points 6 times.  If darnold were the starter all year, would he have done better with this offense?