Clean House Fire Douglas and Saleh and Hire Sean Payton and a New GM!

[SoFlaJets]

The thing about Woody Johnson, and the reason I have been screaming for him to sell this team is this:

He needs to look at the Jets as. a fan first and ask himself is what he has done satisfactory to him?

All he has done with ONE EXCEPTION is the same thing over and over and over and over again. Go from Parcells to his DC Belichick who say No thanks I'm not working for this idiot, then in 2000 to Al Groh and Parcells stays on as GM Then Parcells quits and Terry Bradway is GM. So from  2001-2005 Herm Edwards is forced down the Jets throat because the NFL wanted to show that they do allow for AA Head Coaches. The next season Johnson makes a bold move hiring both a new HC and a new GM Mike Tannenbaum and Eric Mangini is the Head Coach from 2006 to 2008 and we are seeing a pattern emerging. It's been 8 seasons all of them led by 1st time ex-Defensive coordinators or Asst head coaches. So what's next? From 2009 to 2014 Rex Ryan another DC is hired and he outlasted the GM by 2 years and John Idzik is the next disastrous hire. The next year Woody Johnson stood alone at the podium with no GM or Head Coach and gets us Mike Maccagnan for a GM and from 2015-2018 it's Todd Bowles for a Head Coach, yes again another 1st time defensive guy. So it has been 19 straight seasons of 1st time ex-defensive coaches only being hired on as the jets head coaches! Incredible

Then, in 2019 and 2020  The Jets need a new Head coach after firing Bowles and on January 5th they interview the 1st of 3 guys Mike McCarthy Eric Bienemy and Adam Gase McCarthy has a 61% winning percentage as well as a Super Bowl ring and amazing enough, he chooses Gase. HOW?  He didn't learn the hard lesson that Tony Sparano gave him and the Jets respond in kind under Adam Gase by going 9-23. Amazingly and almost forgotten his GM for those 2 seasons? Up and coming superstar GM prospect Joe Douglas. So Woody probably tells himself "you see, I was right by not ever hiring any ex Offensive minded head coaches, look at what Gase did here" So in 2021 and 2022 it's  Robert Saleh  and back to the SOJ and the worst owner in professional sports that NY has ever had keeps making the same choices for 21 out of the 23 years he has owned the Jets and keeps getting the same results. 

So here we sit with a Head Coach in Robert Saleh who has lost twice as many games than he has won (11-23 after next weeks loss)and a GM who actually was part of the team that decided to hire Adam Gase over Mike Mccarthy. Had we actually KEPT Maccagnan Sam Darnold would have been our QB still being coached by one of the best offensive-minded coaches in the game, one with over a 61% winning Pct and a Super Bowl ring.

This is from 4 years ago yesterday. Jan 1 2019: Whether the Jets' leadership believes McCarthy can get the franchise off the ground remains to be seen. Jets CEO Christopher Johnson and general manager Mike Maccagnan both stressed their desire to hire a coach who can get the most out of quarterback Sam Darnold. 

So what happens now? Here we sit about to go into the offseason in with a team that only improved by 3 wins over the last year? We see Sean Payton is available a coach with a record of 152-89 .631% he's coached in 17 playoff games, won 9 of them including being a SB winning HC in 2009 with the Saints.

Do we try and get Payton or stick with these two PROVEN LOSERS 20-46 Joe Douglas and 11-23 Robert Saleh?

I know what "I" would do...what Woody Johnson will do is NOTHING and we all know it-he refuses to learn from his mistakes, just like our current coaching staff has no answers so they continue to lose-the owner does the same and we pay the price of continued crappy Jets football year after year after year after year.

[varjet]

• There are other places Sean Payton can coach, and other places he would rather live.  Dallas, Denver, Los Angeles.  I don’t see the Jets landing Payton.  If the Jets had any chance of getting Payton, they should clean the entire house, pay whatever it took and just make the change.  The existing FO and Coaches will survive. I would also be reluctant to pay too much to the Saints for his rights, but that may be the only way the Jets can get him.   My take:  Getting Sean Payton will not happen, and Woody’s inability to hire a real coach and staff may be why he ultimately has to sell the team.  
• JD’s first two drafts were not good.  His third draft was better but he picked players that were luxuries without an OL.  He did not build the OL correctly.   So, assuming there is no Payton, do we and Woody think that, GOING FORWARD, JD has learned enough on the job to do a better job going forward than the first time GM they would end up with.  Personally, it looks like Schoen has a better idea than JD, but he also has Daboll and Jones.  My vote:  Keep JD and try and work with it.
• IMHO, the Jets’ collapse this year was a team effort of bad draft picks (no Becton, ZW), bad and inflexible coaching, and injuries.   I think it has been a general trend under Woody that the Jets have been under-resourced in the coach department.   Look at the staff that Parcells had here.   Even Rex Ryan’s staff was much, much better.  Woody needs to throw more money at this.  Beck was brought in too late last year, and someone should have been here this year.  MLF does not appear to be using and developing the players to the best of their abilities, and Ulbrich did not counter what offenses were doing after watching 8 games of tape.   It would impression that this coaching staff, scheme and approach is not going to get the Jets back to the playoffs, and developing a QB will be its top priority.   My vote:  Either bring in Frank Reich as an OC/replacement in waiting or just give Reich the wheel with the license to build a complete staff.   He needs to keep the 4-3 defense and find someone to coach it (smarter).  

[JonMcgraw38]

Reich is Boomer Esiasons buddy (Boomer is friends with Woody). Could see it happening, but Saleh would have to go. 

[ScarletKnight89]

Screaming for the owner to sell the team is generally useless. He's not going to. He is who he is.

If we fire Saleh and JD we will get Idzik or Macc 2.0 and another defensive coordinator. 

History tells us this is who we'll get. 

[Larz]

Payton is going back to the saints, probably with Brady. 

[Augustiniak]

Just now, JonMcgraw38 said:

Reich is Boomer Esiasons buddy (Boomer is friends with Woody). Could see it happening, but Saleh would have to go. 

Maybe not if reich is hired as OC with saleh on the hot seat.  Reich would be obvious successor candidate.  Reich would have the chance to develop wilson and perhaps win with a vet like carr.  Probably the best solution.

[JetsFanatic]

I don’t want to fire the GM. I’m not as sold on the coaching.

[Augustiniak]

Just now, JetsFanatic said:

I don’t want to fire the GM. I’m not as sold on the coaching.

This in summary.  Would rather stick with JD and hope his roster building continues to improve.

[JonMcgraw38]

Just now, Augustiniak said:

Maybe not if reich is hired as OC with saleh on the hot seat.  Reich would be obvious successor candidate.  Reich would have the chance to develop wilson and perhaps win with a vet like carr.  Probably the best solution.

Reich isn’t coming here to be an OC for a regime that’s on the thin ice. The Johnsons also never fire a coach in season so he won’t get an interim job here. 
 

Frank is either going to sit out until he gets another shot an HC job or team up with a top candidate as the OC in a package deal 

[Warfish]

Was Peyton the GM of the Saints? 

[Ex-Rex]

I like the idea of bringing Reich in, but not as OC but as HC. Saleh spent his last dime with me by not benching an ineffective Mike White as the 4th quarter opened because White clearly was not himself and was not going to rally the team. At least Streveler would have given the team a lift and if not then Saleh could say "I tried everything to win the game" but he did NOTHING. I would fire him today.

[Green Ghost]

3 minutes ago, Ex-Rex said:

I like the idea of bringing Reich in, but not as OC but as HC. Saleh spent his last dime with me by not benching an ineffective Mike White as the 4th quarter opened because White clearly was not himself and was not going to rally the team. At least Streveler would have given the team a lift and if not then Saleh could say "I tried everything to win the game" but he did NOTHING. I would fire him today.

That’s the only way Reich would come here. He’s not hitching his wagon to Robert Saleh.

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

Man- while there have been plenty of mistakes, I don’t feel we need to start over.

There has been enough to like about JD and Saleh despite the offensive and injury driven collapse.  Take yesterday for example, who knows what it’s like to throw with broken ribs?  I don’t..

My own opinion is subject to change based on what we learn in the coming weeks.  Shocking how flat the team came out in must win games…. undisciplined, unclutch, dispassionate.

Maybe we ran out of gas, maybe something more.

I am confident that MLF is NOT the guy, despite the QB situation.  Too many red flags and not enough success to roll with him again.  Bad risk/reward ratio.

 

[Jets723]

I’m tired of starting over after every 2-3 years.  I have no issue getting a new OC but not cleaning house again.  Plus I don’t think we can afford to trade high draft picks for Payton.  We need to fix the OL plus need to upgrade the Safety LB position 

[bostonmajet]

I am sorry, but this smells of the same 'get this guy no matter what the cost' - why is Payton going to make everything work? he did great with Drew Brees, but not so much without him. There have been some issues along the way including bounty gate and the alleged drug rumors - he won one SB over 15 years. he wants to come in like the Tuna and if he isn't winning within 4 years he is out. I just don't get the love.

Let's give everything for Aaron Rodgers who is making a crap load of money and losing and forced previous HC's out. This gamble everything for the hopes of a quick win is ridiculous - JD started slow, but has been doing well in the last 2 years. Saleh has done some good things (except picking OC). Yet, many want to throw away the progress made on a prayer - you don't throw the Hail Mary until you have no choice - look at the Browns who threw everything into the Watson play - mortgaged the future for very little chance of success.

Besides, some other organization will be able to offer Payton more without throwing away a GM who as made some mistakes (they all do), but seems to be improving and building a better team.

[slats]

21 minutes ago, Larz said:

Payton is going back to the saints, probably with Brady. 

Rich Eisen thinks Brady’s gonna team back up with Josh McDaniels in Vegas. 

[DireJet]

22 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

This in summary.  Would rather stick with JD and hope his roster building continues to improve.

Not realistic. GM is responsible for more than just the draft & free agency. JD hired Saleh and the entire staff. You don’t get rid of a weed by chopping off the head. You need to get it out at the root. No more half measures if large scale changes are coming. 

[varjet]

16 minutes ago, Ex-Rex said:

I like the idea of bringing Reich in, but not as OC but as HC. Saleh spent his last dime with me by not benching an ineffective Mike White as the 4th quarter opened because White clearly was not himself and was not going to rally the team. At least Streveler would have given the team a lift and if not then Saleh could say "I tried everything to win the game" but he did NOTHING. I would fire him today.

In an NFL built on parity, this dysfunctional Jets team is in the playoffs if they are able to pull out NEP2 by benching Wilson and with better time management against Detroit.  MLF has raised enough red flags.   Something has to change with the coaching, and if Saleh is not supportive, and/or no one wants to come here, we will need a bigger change.  

[Gen X Jet]

Why am I still reading Jets' boards?

[Gen X Jet]

17 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

That’s the only way Reich would come here. He’s not hitching his wagon to Robert Saleh.

Boomer is a big Reich guy.  Maybe that counts for something?

[Green Ghost]

2 minutes ago, Gen X Jet said:

Boomer is a big Reich guy.  Maybe that counts for something?

[68JET11]

Saleh is too nice a guy. PERIOD I doubt he fires his best friends brother, but if he's smart he will look everywhere for a guy who can develop a QB. Whether he makes him the OC, or QB coach is up to him, but he needs to find someone other than Calabrese. That's his only shot at redemption at this point. IMO. I don't think the FO, or CS is going anywhere even with the collapse. We all want heads to roll, but the truth is that this team did much more than we thought it would. I suspect that if Saleh has any pride and wants to get better as a coach, he will look inward and say, maybe the softball approach and no pad crap has got to go and work these guys into football shape.

[SoFlaJets]

The bottom line is wins Joe Douglas' record is the same as Woody Johnson's record ever since he made the dumbest remark in the history of the game after being shut out by the 49ers 34-0 on Sept 30 2012 (look it up yourselves if you want too know). Since then the Jets have lost twice as many games as they have won.

Joe Douglas as of Jan 2 2023 has an even WORSE record than the team's norm over the past 13 seasons and Adam Gase (9-23) and Robert Saleh's (11-22) records are both atrocious-we deserve better

[SoFlaJets]

6 minutes ago, 68JET11 said:

Saleh is too nice a guy. PERIOD I doubt he fires his best friends brother, but if he's smart he will look everywhere for a guy who can develop a QB. Whether he makes him the OC, or QB coach is up to him, but he needs to find someone other than Calabrese. That's his only shot at redemption at this point. IMO. I don't think the FO, or CS is going anywhere even with the collapse. We all want heads to roll, but the truth is that this team did much more than we thought it would. I suspect that if Saleh has any pride and wants to get better as a coach, he will look inward and say, maybe the softball approach and no pad crap has got to go and work these guys into football shape.

It really didn't 68, this Robert Saleh/Joe Douglas Jets team is virtually the same team as it was under Adam Gase/Joe Douglas

[Jimmy 2 Times]

JD has proven to be a good scout and to draft who his coaches want.  The stark differences between his drafts (along with the behind the scenes videos) show this.

He'd have to check his ego, but I could see him staying if Payton came onboard with Payton probably getting final say in personnel. 

I think Sean Payton would be a home run hire and maybe even salvage Wilson.  Hopefully he sees Zach as someone he'd like to mold. 

[Gen X Jet]

Maybe Woodrow can hire Korn/Ferry to find us a QB?

[SoFlaJets]

3 minutes ago, Jimmy 2 Times said:

JD has proven to be a good scout and to draft who his coaches want.  The stark differences between his drafts (along with the behind the scenes videos) show this.

He'd have to check his ego, but I could see him staying if Payton came onboard with Payton probably getting final say in personnel. 

I think Sean Payton would be a home run hire and maybe even salvage Wilson.  Hopefully he sees Zach as someone he'd like to mold. 

I think clean house and move on means no more Zach Wilson too Jim, get a real NFL QB who already knows how to play the position, keep White as the back-up but it's time to bring an NFL talented signal caller in along with a couple of receivers

[Jimmy 2 Times]

6 minutes ago, SoFlaJets said:

I think clean house and move on means no more Zach Wilson too Jim, get a real NFL QB who already knows how to play the position, keep White as the back-up but it's time to bring an NFL talented signal caller in along with a couple of receivers

Imo, it would be foolish to dump Zach this year.  Give him a year on the bench and see what you have in year four.  The draft pick and money was already spent.  Why cut bait or sell low?  Nothing to lose have him be QB 3 or 4. 

[Integrity28]

1 hour ago, SoFlaJets said:

The thing about Woody Johnson, and the reason I have been screaming for him to sell this team is this:

Nah, dude.

He needs to look at it like an owner. Wield the power of expectation, production and accountability.

He looks at it more like a middle-management leech that has only ever known cultures of pandering, manipulating optics, avoiding scrutiny, and ascending without producing. Basically every pretender I’ve ever worked for and ultimately out-paced. ?

[FactsOnly]

Douglas’ biggest gaff was hiring Clown Salad and his cronies, essentially DESTROYING all the great young talent he drafted

[Green Ghost]

2 minutes ago, FactsOnly said:

Douglas’ biggest gaff was hiring Clown Salad and his cronies, essentially DESTROYING all the great young talent he drafted

who Is destroyed? (Please don’t say Zach in the same sentence as great talent…)

[FactsOnly]

9 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

who Is destroyed? (Please don’t say Zach in the same sentence as great talent…)

ZACH WILSON for one

and wasting all of this young talent in general. They were 7-4 and going into the tougher part of the schedule and continued to LOSE OUT

Saleh is CLUELESS

[SoFlaJets]

6 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

Nah, dude.

He needs to look at it like an owner. Wield the power of expectation, production and accountability.

He looks at it more like a middle-management leech that has only ever known cultures of pandering, manipulating optics, avoiding scrutiny, and ascending without producing. Basically every pretender I’ve ever worked for and ultimately out-paced. ?

He's going into year 24 as the owner Bro first half he was a .500 winning % owner and a dozen playoff games that they split including two losses in AFCCG from 2000 when Woody took ownership of the team to 2011 they were 90-93 plus 6-6 in the playoffs

Since then I-28 the've digressed to 63 -124 zero playoff games from a .500 team to one that loses 2 games to every win