Damien Woody calls out MLF/JD

[kevinc855]

hmmm

 

[ScarletKnight89]

I do think we appear headed for a new offensive coordinator. 

[Matt39]

Free agents come here because they know they can do other things. Zero accountability or football culture it seems. Light practices, permitted to pursue jobs outside of football etc etc. 

[More Cowbell]

I have been holding my tongue on MLF,  but after yesterday, there is no way to hide it. That was a horribly called game. I know MW was off target all game and there were drops but it just seemed like the basic stuff all game. 

[k-met57]

Pro scouting needs to be turned over 100%

maybe MLF gets a HC job? Lolllllll

[SickJetFan]

5 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

hmmm

 

this is only going to get louder,,,,watch as the sweat builds on Saleh's 5-head.

[Augustiniak]

1 minute ago, SickJetFan said:

this is only going to get louder,,,,watch as the sweat builds on Saleh's 5-head.

He is going to have to sacrifice MLF to save his job.

[DireJet]

3 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Free agents come here because they know they can do other things. Zero accountability or football culture it seems. Light practices, permitted to pursue jobs outside of football etc etc. 

there is an adult summer camp vibe to it 

[Gen X Jet]

1 minute ago, Augustiniak said:

He is going to have to sacrifice MLF to save his job.

And I think he's the type who's too stubborn and proud to do it.  Should be an interesting couple of weeks.

[SickJetFan]

1 minute ago, Augustiniak said:

He is going to have to sacrifice MLF to save his job.

i suspect he will also scapegoat his DC if he survives himself

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

Yeah the more I read and really look at the overall picture. I’m cool with cleaning house. Prob won’t happen but these guys ain’t it. 
Their cons outweigh their pros way too heavily. 
JD-does trades well. Gets good value. 
Committed to building premium positions. And that’s it. 

Failed just about every free agent pick up outside of Reed.
Stingy with spending when going after big free agents that they desperately need.
Not a closer - See Hill, Tyreek. 

Whiffed on a ton of crucial picks.

Had a chance to build his own staff and went with rookies across the board. 
 

[varjet]

JD and Saleh did not build a good staff, and I don’t know how you upgrade it while keeping Saleh because no one decent is going to want to come here.  This is the dance that the Jets went though with Bowles and his changing OCs.  

Unfortunately the answer may be to clean the whole thing out.  

[Matt39]

Check out Whiteheads effort on the first play of the game here:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cm6p6JLK6eZ/?igshid=YWJhMjlhZTc=

[Sonny Werblin]

25 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

hmmm

 

In fairness, Reed was a great signing. Duane Brown was a very good signing, Conlklin was an upgrade and Herbig was a valuable in season find. The rest were hot garbage.

[kevinc855]

22 minutes ago, SickJetFan said:

this is only going to get louder,,,,watch as the sweat builds on Saleh's 5-head.

Yea Woody is going to make a move....

I have no idea but if i was a betting man....MLF is the guy who takes the fall

JD/Saleh need an owner playoff mandate in 23. I hope he does it to the public but Woody is shy about that stuff. Like i said notice JD hasnt gotten a contract extension yet. Saleh 3rd year is next year. Its 2023 playoffs or bust. 

[kevinc855]

1 minute ago, Sonny Werblin said:

In fairness, Reed was a great signing. Duane Brown was a very good signing, Conlklin was an upgrade and Herbig was a valuable in season find. The rest were hot garbage.

agree on reed and brown. Conklin drops this year have been killer. Herbig  good find but not exactly franchise changing

[Ron Rico]

31 minutes ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

I do think we appear headed for a new offensive coordinator. 

Which is to say someone off the 49ers coaching staff (a team that practically runs itself so efficiently that a rookie QB, Brock Purdy can step in and potentially lead them on a playoff run), maybe the running backs coach, will get promoted for some OJT.

The Jets aren't going to hire anybody who already knows what he is doing.

[SickJetFan]

3 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

Yea Woody is going to make a move....

I have no idea but if i was a betting man....MLF is the guy who takes the fall

JD/Saleh need an owner playoff mandate in 23. I hope he does it to the public but Woody is shy about that stuff. Like i said notice JD hasnt gotten a contract extension yet. Saleh 3rd year is next year. Its 2023 playoffs or bust. 

yeah it will depend some on how they play next week.  If they get blown out again who knows what will happen next.

[JohnnyLV]

23 minutes ago, SickJetFan said:

i suspect he will also scapegoat his DC if he survives himself

Not sure. Saleh seems like the type of guy that might say no and wind up getting fired himself

[Dcat]

26 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

He is going to have to sacrifice MLF to save his job.

fine by me.  

[section314]

6 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

In fairness, Reed was a great signing. Duane Brown was a very good signing, Conlklin was an upgrade and Herbig was a valuable in season find. The rest were hot garbage.

Lawson was a good signing too. 7 sacks after rehabbing a brutal injury. 

[56mehl56]

8 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

In fairness, Reed was a great signing. Duane Brown was a very good signing, Conlklin was an upgrade and Herbig was a valuable in season find. The rest were hot garbage.

I thought Kwon Alexander played well also. 

[FootballLove]

We need to clean house. Fire Joe Douglas, Robert Saleh and his entire staff. Trade Zack Wilson, Mike White, Bryce Hall, Garrett Wilson, and Quinen Williams for whatever draft picks we can get. Bring back Sam Darnold and Adam Gase. Throw whatever money we need to coax John Idzik out of Retirment. Come on Woody!!!! Do it!!! We demand RESULTS NOW!!!!

[Matt39]

Are you kidding me with this?

[Beerfish]

Well the never ending Question is:

Is the oc bad because the QBs are no good?

Or are the QBs no good because the OC is not good?

In a lot of cases neither are good due to the oline.

I for one would not fire Lafleur.  I think he is a potentially good young coach that is still learning.  The sin was hiring such an inexpereinced guy in the first place i suppose.

[Embrace the Suck]

Queue the MLF dick riders.

"He's a genius we're lucky to have who'll leave us after this year for a HC job"

"What does the guy who coaches / leads the offense matter? He isn't on the field"

"What does coaching (MLF) have to do with it? Fire Saleh!" 

Essentially MLF is an offensive genius who's offense can't get out of it's own way, who's gonna get a HC job soon because he's so awesome, though he isn't responsible at all for the #2 pick last year not developing, in fact nothing is his fault or responsibility, and Nepotism was his main selling point for a job.  Sounds like the perfect nominee or running mate actually. 

The scouts should be hung by their balls \ breasts \ whatever hurts most, even the new ones, for the last decade+ of FA signings and drafts.

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, Beerfish said:

Well the never ending Question is:

Is the oc bad because the QBs are no good?

Or are the QBs no good because the OC is not good?

In a lot of cases neither are good due to the oline.

I for one would not fire Lafleur.  I think he is a potentially good young coach that is still learning.  The sin was hiring such an inexpereinced guy in the first place i suppose.

You always hear positive things about LaFleur from the nerds and coaching community who watch the games. The big knock on him is that he hasn’t brought Zach Wilson along and—as former GM Randy Mueller said—sometimes doesn’t “help out” his quarterbacks. Nania had an interesting stat—the Jets used empty sets at the highest frequency in football, and it was by a lot. Something like 14% for the Jets and the next team was at 8%. You run empty when you have Peyton Manning at QB and a really good receiving back that you want to get matched up against a safety. The Jets have neither of those.

[FactsOnly]

Somehow this is Zach Wilsons fault

?

[dbatesman]

51 minutes ago, DireJet said:

there is an adult summer camp vibe to it 

The team just doesn’t seem tough, mentally or physically. No ability to pull themselves out of the spin once the losses started piling up. We can’t run the ball for sh*t. And for all the good numbers the defense puts up, does anyone fear playing us? From the way the Jags and Seahawks came out and attacked us, it really doesn’t seem like it. 

Here’s a stat: opponents are 0-14 the week after after playing the 49ers this season. Same defense, different sport.

[Beerfish]

Just now, T0mShane said:

You always hear positive things about LaFleur from the nerds and coaching community who watch the games. The big knock on him is that he hasn’t brought Zach Wilson along and—as former GM Randy Mueller said—sometimes doesn’t “help out” his quarterbacks. Nania had an interesting stat—the Jets used empty sets at the highest frequency in football, and it was by a lot. Something like 14% for the Jets and the next team was at 8%. You run empty when you have Peyton Manning at QB and a really good receiving back that you want to get matched up against a safety. The Jets have neither of those.

This i agree with, the empty sets and no fullback.

If you have decent or better wrs they will get open if the QB gets time.  With a shaky oline i'd go to TEs a lot

Our QBs just too many makeable plays that are there, they seem to rush throws at times.  Also our QBs do not run nearly enough. 

In todays game the nicest thing you can do for a defense is have a statue QB back there, thee is only a few bradys around

[Flea Flicking Frank]

3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

You always hear positive things about LaFleur from the nerds and coaching community who watch the games. The big knock on him is that he hasn’t brought Zach Wilson along and—as former GM Randy Mueller said—sometimes doesn’t “help out” his quarterbacks. Nania had an interesting stat—the Jets used empty sets at the highest frequency in football, and it was by a lot. Something like 14% for the Jets and the next team was at 8%. You run empty when you have Peyton Manning at QB and a really good receiving back that you want to get matched up against a safety. The Jets have neither of those.

I have not liked what I have seen from MLF from day 1, with or without ZW in at QB. I understood people saying ZW was hamstringing MLF, but I have been very skeptical on that point. Anyone who really watched this offense against the Vikings, Bills and Seattle with Mike White, a competent QB, should quickly see why MLF is a major problem. its very easy for fans to point to a bad couple of throws per game, or missed reads by the QB, but there is a sh*t load that goes into every single play that fans really can't comprehend. 

[Embrace the Suck]

29 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Is the oc bad because the QBs are no good?

Or are the QBs no good because the OC is not good?

It can be both. The QB (ZW) obviously lacks the fundamentals, and the OC clearly isn't good at recognizing that and / or teaching them. Nor is he seemingly capable of adapting the offense for the players he has. I guess it comes down to what you believe the OC is responsible for:

• If it's just sitting in the booth, calling plays, and taking credit when things go right (like Gase "coaching" Peyton Manning in Denver). MLF might be your guy.
• If you believe the OC is responsible for coaching up his players, adapting the offense for the players he has, setting up and running the entire day to day operations of the offense during camp and the season, and in turn building up an offense / o identity from scratch. Well MLF might not be your guy seeing as how things are going.       

Personally I think it's much easier for the OC to change his play calling ways (even if just temporarily) than for a player to instantly transform into something he's not. Kind of how the Ravens designed an offense their rookie QB could run a couple years ago, and molded him over the last couple seasons. They added stuff here and there as he progressed in a comfortable / positive / supportive environment where he was able to find early success doing what he could already do, and still grow as a player.

[SickJetFan]

31 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

Not sure. Saleh seems like the type of guy that might say no and wind up getting fired himself

principles can only go so far especially with 8 kids and a mansion in NJ

[HawkeyeJet]

25 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Are you kidding me with this?

Legit question, do you pay attention to anything NFL related that is not the Jets?

[Matt39]

Just now, HawkeyeJet said:

Legit question, do you pay attention to anything NFL related that is not the Jets?

Do you?