2023 QB Options: How about the red rifle?

[JonMcgraw38]

He’s coming off his best season in years in New Orleans, and could probably be had for a 1 year $10-15MM deal. The rifle is probably about as good as Carr and Garrapolo and would cost less.

QB room of 

Rifle 

Mike White or draft pick 

Zach Wilson 

I feel like this is a much better scenario than sending draft picks and paying $40MM for Derek Carr. 

The rifle is also more durable than Garappolo and would cost less. 

[Beerfish]

Most people will kill you for suggesting this but he is one guy i mentioned a while back as a 2nd tier vet to bring in.

[TuscanyTile2]

If we don't go for a TB12 or Rodgers then Dalton (at the type of contract you're mentioning) would be just fine by me.  It'll be a stopgap, but at least one that we're not locked into long-term (like Carr and Jimmy G would be).

[JonMcgraw38]

2 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Most people will kill you for suggesting this but he is one guy i mentioned a while back as a 2nd tier vet to bring in.

The sad thing about this is the Saints signed the rifle to a 1 year $3MM contract. Joe Douglas signed Joe Flacco to a 1 year $3.5MM contract. The Jets are probably in the playoffs if he bought the rifle. 

[PS17]

No. 

[TuscanyTile2]

Just now, JonMcgraw38 said:

The sad thing about this is the Saints signed the rifle to a 1 year $3MM contract. Joe Douglas signed Joe Flacco to a 1 year $3.5MM contract. The Jets are probably in the playoffs if he bought the rifle. 

"Joe Flacco is a starter in this league.  He's got a lot left."

[OMA]

Only cause it would guarantee we have #1 pick in 2024. 

[Ron Rico]

It would be a practical move. And for people that want to bag on Dalton, if he was on the roster this season instead of Flacco, we're not finishing this season losing 6 in a row.

But alas, let's continue to panic, and think by some magic we're a QB away from the SB. 

[jetswin]

Ill shoot my eye out

[Untouchable]

Why the hell are so many worried about how Chris and Woody’s money is spent?

Andy Dalton, Gardner Minshew, Baker Mayfield…these dudes are all backups that don’t move the needle for this team at all.

You might as well just retain Mike White’s fragile ass to be the starter if that’s the route we’re taking.

I don’t care about the money or draft picks. This team is going to continue treading water without a Top 20 QB on the roster regardless of how many draft picks or how much money everyone wants to hoard.

Although a guy like Carr isn’t my #1 preference, he’s certainly up there and it’s hilarious seeing so many Jets fans poo-pooing a guy in his early 30’s who averages 4,000 yards, 25 TD’s and 10 INT’s a year while putting a bunch of nobodies on a pedestal.

[Rhg1084]

Douglas and Saleh gonna risk their careers on Andy Dalton?

[Ron Rico]

1 minute ago, Untouchable said:

Why the hell are so many worried about how Chris and Woody’s money is spent?

Andy Dalton, Gardner Minshew, Baker Mayfield…these dudes are all backups that don’t move the needle for this team at all.

You might as well just retain Mike White’s fragile ass to be the starter if that’s the route we’re taking.

I don’t care about the money or draft picks. This team is going to continue treading water without a Top 20 QB on the roster regardless of how many draft picks or how much money everyone wants to hoard.

Although a guy like Carr isn’t my #1 preference, he’s certainly up there and it’s hilarious seeing so many Jets fans poo-pooing a guy in his early 30’s who averages 4,000 yards, 25 TD’s and 10 INT’s a year while putting a bunch of nobodies on a pedestal.

Well, we can revisit this once all the playoff teams are determined. 

[JonMcgraw38]

3 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

Why the hell are so many worried about how Chris and Woody’s money is spent?

Andy Dalton, Gardner Minshew, Baker Mayfield…these dudes are all backups that don’t move the needle for this team at all.

You might as well just retain Mike White’s fragile ass to be the starter if that’s the route we’re taking.

I don’t care about the money or draft picks. This team is going to continue treading water without a Top 20 QB on the roster regardless of how many draft picks or how much money everyone wants to hoard.

Although a guy like Carr isn’t my #1 preference, he’s certainly up there and it’s hilarious seeing so many Jets fans poo-pooing a guy in his early 30’s who averages 4,000 yards, 25 TD’s and 10 INT’s a year while putting a bunch of nobodies on a pedestal.

The rifle also has a track record and he has played better than Carr this season. 

[TuscanyTile2]

4 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

Why the hell are so many worried about how Chris and Woody’s money is spent?

Andy Dalton, Gardner Minshew, Baker Mayfield…these dudes are all backups that don’t move the needle for this team at all.

You might as well just retain Mike White’s fragile ass to be the starter if that’s the route we’re taking.

I don’t care about the money or draft picks. This team is going to continue treading water without a Top 20 QB on the roster regardless of how many draft picks or how much money everyone wants to hoard.

Although a guy like Carr isn’t my #1 preference, he’s certainly up there and it’s hilarious seeing so many Jets fans poo-pooing a guy in his early 30’s who averages 4,000 yards, 25 TD’s and 10 INT’s a year while putting a bunch of nobodies on a pedestal.

If you could get Carr at a 1-2 year deal at $15M then sure.  He's going to take us to the cleaners though.  And it's not about "Chris and Woody's money".  It's about the salary cap.

[Ron Rico]

2 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

Douglas and Saleh gonna risk their careers on Andy Dalton?

Absolutely not. Next year they "risk" their careers on the same guy they risked it on this year, Zach Wilson.

[Ron Rico]

1 minute ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

If you could get Carr at a 1-2 year deal at $15M then sure.  He's going to take us to the cleaners though.  And it's not about "Chris and Woody's money".  It's about the salary cap.

No, let's keep pretending we are the only team in the league that needs a QB. It's fun. Wheeeee! 

[JonMcgraw38]

Just now, TuscanyTile2 said:

If you could get Carr at a 1-2 year deal at $15M then sure.  He's going to take us to the cleaners though.  And it's not about "Chris and Woody's money".  It's about the salary cap.

Exactly. The path to success next year is to find league average QB play and surround that QB with as much talent as possible. Neither Carr or the rifle are franchise QBs that will elevate the whole team so might as well go for the more economical choice. 

[Wit]

18 minutes ago, JonMcgraw38 said:

He’s coming off his best season in years in New Orleans, and could probably be had for a 1 year $10-15MM deal. The rifle is probably about as good as Carr and Garrapolo and would cost less.

QB room of 

Rifle 

Mike White or draft pick 

Zach Wilson 

I feel like this is a much better scenario than sending draft picks and paying $40MM for Derek Carr. 

The rifle is also more durable than Garappolo and would cost less. 

He was so so so bad. I had way too many saints on my FF team this year, and had to suffer through watching that boring, awful offense. Kamara dropping off the table didn't help. 

[Untouchable]

Just now, JonMcgraw38 said:

The rifle also has a track record and he has played better than Carr this season. 

Even in his prime Andy Dalton was the epitome of the QB you hate to be stuck with.

Not good enough to win anything of significance, and not bad enough to move away from.

Now he’s 35 and has been a backup for the last 3 years.

I don’t understand how anyone can get remotely excited for this team next year if they have a Dalton or Minshew behind center. It’s just going to be pretty much a repeat of what we’ve witnessed this season.

The only thing that is going to give this fanbase legitimate hope is if whoever is in charge says “f*ck it” and swings for the fences on a Brady, Rodgers or Carr to a lesser extent.

[slats]

19 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Most people will kill you for suggesting this but he is one guy i mentioned a while back as a 2nd tier vet to bring in.

I’m considering killing him for a variety of reasons. 

[bla bla bla]

2 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

If you could get Carr at a 1-2 year deal at $15M then sure.  He's going to take us to the cleaners though.  And it's not about "Chris and Woody's money".  It's about the salary cap.

Lawson and Tomlinson should equal Carr's contract. I don't think we should back out because of the money.

[Ron Rico]

I'm just looking to get some warm bodies in here that can actually compete in an NFL game. Nobody here is suggesting Andy Dalton is a FQB.

[Untouchable]

10 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

If you could get Carr at a 1-2 year deal at $15M then sure.  He's going to take us to the cleaners though.  And it's not about "Chris and Woody's money".  It's about the salary cap.

People sure do go from “the salary cap doesn’t exist” to “omg what about the cap” in a jiffy.

The Jets can absolutely make a move for a respectable QB and still sign a dude like Quinnen longterm and make other improvements through FA and the draft.

A lot of the stuff fans are saying about Carr sounds like what people were saying 2 years ago about Matthew Stafford. Except Derek Carr is younger and doesn’t come with a broken back.

[Titan24]

13 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

Why the hell are so many worried about how Chris and Woody’s money is spent?

Andy Dalton, Gardner Minshew, Baker Mayfield…these dudes are all backups that don’t move the needle for this team at all.

You might as well just retain Mike White’s fragile ass to be the starter if that’s the route we’re taking.

I don’t care about the money or draft picks. This team is going to continue treading water without a Top 20 QB on the roster regardless of how many draft picks or how much money everyone wants to hoard.

Although a guy like Carr isn’t my #1 preference, he’s certainly up there and it’s hilarious seeing so many Jets fans poo-pooing a guy in his early 30’s who averages 4,000 yards, 25 TD’s and 10 INT’s a year while putting a bunch of nobodies on a pedestal.

100% on the money……Carr, Jimmy G cost 30 Mil….So what they are truly the best options.  Rodgers is going nowhere being how GB is finishing…..TB12 stays or retires.

Oh and btw saving all this money next few years while all this young talent gets closer to FA…..

Sauce 30 mil, Wilson 30 mil, AVT 20 mil, etc…..

Get a vet QB in here it’s the only way

 

[ylekram]

6 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

Even in his prime Andy Dalton was the epitome of the QB you hate to be stuck with.

Not good enough to win anything of significance, and not bad enough to move away from.

Now he’s 35 and has been a backup for the last 3 years.

I don’t understand how anyone can get remotely excited for this team next year if they have a Dalton or Minshew behind center. It’s just going to be pretty much a repeat of what we’ve witnessed this season.

The only thing that is going to give this fanbase legitimate hope is if whoever is in charge says “f*ck it” and swings for the fences on a Brady, Rodgers or Carr to a lesser extent.

Brady wouldn't sign here if he was given the team.

Rodgers is going to cost a 1st rounder or 2.

that leaves Carr as the best option, imo 

[TuscanyTile2]

1 minute ago, bla bla bla said:

Lawson and Tomlinson should equal Carr's contract. I don't think we should back out because of the money.

We have plenty of other holes to fill (and players to extend).  Plus, Carr is going to want a long-term deal (with a lot of guaranteed money) so we'll be locked in for years.  We'll be paying elite QB prices for a guy who isn't much better than an average QB.

I agree with the OP that a guy like Dalton would make much more sense than Carr or Jimmy G.  We're not going to win big with him but we won't with Carr either.  TB12 would be the ideal option, imo.  But after this meltdown, I don't see him even considering us anymore.  I'd love to bring Aaron Rodgers here but it doesn't seem realistic.  I can't see the Giants letting Daniel Jones go either.  

[TuscanyTile2]

5 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

People sure do go from “the salary cap doesn’t exist” to “omg what about the cap” in a jiffy.

The Jets can absolutely make a move for a respectable QB and still sign a dude like Quinnen longterm and make other improvements through FA and the draft.

A lot of the stuff fans are saying about Carr sounds like what people were saying 2 years ago about Matthew Stafford. Except Derek Carr is younger and doesn’t come with a broken back.

Stop with the Stafford comparisons.  They are nowhere close.  Look at the compensation it took for the Lions to trade him.  Meanwhile, the Raiders are CUTTING Derek Carr.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/matthew-stafford-trade-rams-send-two-first-round-picks-a-third-round-pick-and-jared-goff-to-lions-for-qb/

Matthew Stafford trade: Rams send two first-round picks, a third-round pick and Jared Goff to Lions for QB

[TuscanyTile2]

5 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

People sure do go from “the salary cap doesn’t exist” to “omg what about the cap” in a jiffy.

The Jets can absolutely make a move for a respectable QB and still sign a dude like Quinnen longterm and make other improvements through FA and the draft.

A lot of the stuff fans are saying about Carr sounds like what people were saying 2 years ago about Matthew Stafford. Except Derek Carr is younger and doesn’t come with a broken back.

I wasn't one of those people.  

[bla bla bla]

2 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

We have plenty of other holes to fill (and players to extend).  Plus, Carr is going to want a long-term deal (with a lot of guaranteed money) so we'll be locked in for years.  We'll be paying elite QB prices for a guy who isn't much better than an average QB.

I agree with the OP that a guy like Dalton would make much more sense than Carr or Jimmy G.  We're not going to win big with him but we won't with Carr either.  TB12 would be the ideal option, imo.  But after this meltdown, I don't see him even considering us anymore.  I'd love to bring Aaron Rodgers here but it doesn't seem realistic.  I can't see the Giants letting Daniel Jones go either.  

I think it's fair to question if Carr can lead you to a SB but I don't think I'd get too wrapped up in the money if you think he could.

We are signing our first draft pick to a second contract for the first time since Mohammed Wilkerson. 

I really do think we look hard at Rodgers and Brady because it "buys time with Zach" 

[TuscanyTile2]

1 minute ago, bla bla bla said:

I think it's fair to question if Carr can lead you to a SB but I don't think I'd get too wrapped up in the money if you think he could.

We are signing our first draft pick to a second contract for the first time since Mohammed Wilkerson. 

I really do think we look hard at Rodgers and Brady because it "buys time with Zach" 

I don't think he can.

[VJphillyfan]

Meh, sign Brady

[VJphillyfan]

12 minutes ago, ylekram said:

Brady wouldn't sign here if he was given the team.

Rodgers is going to cost a 1st rounder or 2.

that leaves Carr as the best option, imo 

Brady is going to the highest bidder.

[TuscanyTile2]

Just now, VJphillyfan said:

Brady is going to the highest bidder.

I'd pay Brady elite money.  You know you'd be getting him on a short-term deal and at least he gives you a chance to win big.

[Warfish]

26 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

.....and swings for the fences on a Brady, Rodgers or Carr to a lesser extent.

Why do people constantly put Rodgers in these pipe dream wish lists?  He's under contract for several years from now, at a massive cap number, with (if I recall) a no-trade clause, and would cost us several top-end picks/players at minimum, despite his advanced age.

In what universe is this a thing for us?

[TuscanyTile2]

Just now, Warfish said:

Why do people constantly put Rodgers in these pipe dream wish lists?  He's under contract for several years from now, at a massive cap number, with (if I recall) a no-trade clause, and would cost us several top-end picks.

In what universe is this a thing for us?

It's worth a try to ask.