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[sourceworx]

6 minutes ago, undertow said:

Maybe they just needed some time to figure things out in a unprecidented situation....the constant hysteria a virtue signaling by people is a show or you have just been trained to be outraged by everything.

Please don't mistake me for someone like that. I'm not easily outraged. Trust me.

But this league has shown a pattern of letting their greed take precedence over all else. For the most part, I've looked the other way. But if the rumors of tonight are true (and I sincerely hope they are not), then this is simply unacceptable IMO.  

[Aussie Jet]

1 minute ago, ultraJETfan said:

Wife is a nurse and says vitals back to normal is good but intubated means can't breathe on their own which obviously is bad. Similar situation happened in soccer Euro Cup with a Denmark player. He made a full recovery and is playing again but he did not get hit in the chest. This is more like a car crash type of injury. Forgive my eloquence atm. That's the best way I can think to describe it.

UEFA did not suspend the game. A lot of criticism over their decision.

Christian Eriksen. Collapsed suddenly on the pitch with nobody near him.

Made a full recovery and played for Denmark in the World Cup (watched him play because Australia played and beat Denmark in the group stage). He's now signed to Manchester United.

[Jet_Engine1]

15 minutes ago, Barkus said:

Umm no, if he was truly down in the field for several minutes requiring CPR there is serious concern for anoxic brain injury. It appears he is sedated and intubated right now from the info available. Once his vitals are stabilized and they have a better idea what is going on we can have a better idea of his prognosis. 

Wrong. The average Human has a 7-10 minute oxygen surplus in their Hemoglobin, thus the entire point of MICCR. It's why Intubation is typically done on the third round of Meds for Arrest (Epi/Atropine). An elite athlete probably has an even better VO2. So no, unless they forgot to intubate and he wasn't breathing spontaneously for an extended period, anoxic brain injury is the last thing we're worried about. 

 

So anyway, good talk, Doc.

[sourceworx]

1 minute ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

Nobody knows that this happened.  There is no indication that the NFL did anything inappropriate or incorrect here

You're right. At this moment it's just a rumor.

[Aussie Jet]

ESPN reporting that there won't be a press conference from the hospital tonight.

[Warfish]

Emotions are very high, and available information is imperfect, and everyone handles such challenging events/things differently.

I'd caution all to be mindful of these things, and not over-react to each other or get angry with each other or make things worse.

Keep calm and carry on was once a thing for a reason.  Steady as we all go.

[Mike135]

7 minutes ago, sourceworx said:

I don't care about when it was cancelled. I care about how.

If the coaches had to force Roger Goodell's hand, then f*ck him and f*ck this league. It's disgusting.

Could the delay have been on purpose?

I mean nfl stadiums stop severing alcohol at halftime for a reason.

Imagine immediately canceling a game mid-1st quarter, right after tailgates.  How many drunk folks would be on the road?  

[Jet_Engine1]

11 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

ESPN: It's unconscionable that the NFL didn't suspend this game immediately.

Also ESPN: Here's a report on the mode of transportation that Stefon Diggs took to the hospital

Also ESPN:

 

Let's watch that hit on Mike White for the 457th time as we mock the Jets....

[Maynard13]

12 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Stop focusing on this crap.  The NFL has never been through anything like this before.  The game was canceled and that officially came from the NFL.  There was no need to rush to judgement and cancel the game.  In the end, the right call was made.

Focusing on if the game should have been canceled earlier is pathetic.

 

Its times like this a person's true character reveals itself.

[ultraJETfan]

Just now, Maynard13 said:

Its times like this a person's true character reveals itself.

You seem to be taking this moment to be as divisive as possible. Why?

[Jet9]

4 minutes ago, Maynard13 said:

Go FYS

You're making sh*t up in your head to be pissed off about. Imagine thinking this conversation isn't because of the NFL's malfeasance. They took an hour to do what any normal person knew they should have done about 30 minutes in. They were conferring with themselves regarding their 'strategic partners'. Go to bed, retard. 

[playtowinthegame]

6 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Emotions are very high, and available information is imperfect, and everyone handles such challenging events/things differently.

I'd caution all to be mindful of these things, and not over-react to each other or get angry with each other or make things worse.

Keep calm and carry on was once a thing for a reason.  Steady as we all go.

Well said, Warfish. 

[Joe W. Namath]

2 minutes ago, Jet9 said:

You're making sh*t up in your head to be pissed off about. Imagine thinking this conversation isn't because of the NFL's malfeasance. They took an hour to do what any normal person knew they should have done about 30 minutes in. They were conferring with themselves regarding their 'strategic partners'. Go to bed, retard. 

Which is what any smart, multi billion dollar corporation should do.

The NFL got it right.  They even got input from the coaches who were more personally involved and then made the decision together.

It was a great job by all, not rushed to judgement and the right call was made.

Just shows how miserable people really are and look for the negative in anything.  Pathetic.

 

[Jets Things]

15 minutes ago, ultraJETfan said:

Wife is a nurse and says vitals back to normal is good but intubated means can't breathe on their own which obviously is bad. Similar situation happened in soccer Euro Cup with a Denmark player. He made a full recovery and is playing again but he did not get hit in the chest. This is more like a car crash type of injury. Forgive my eloquence atm. That's the best way I can think to describe it.

UEFA did not suspend the game. A lot of criticism over their decision.

Christian Eriksen. He had a defrib put on his heart and is good to go. Starting midfield at Man United. 

[batman10023]

42 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

That’s the moment I knew something was really wrong 

Me too.  And diggs

[Lupz27]

18 minutes ago, Maynard13 said:

Go FYS

We don’t need this stuff right now.

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

People are acting as if this incident is unique to and emphasizes the dangers of football. However, Commotio Cordis, while very rare, is much more common in sports like lacrosse and baseball (where the ball can hit the chest) than football. It is also  more common for young male athletes under age 18 than in 25 year olds.  This incident, if it is indeed Commotio Cordis (it sure looked like it from what I was taught about it), should not be used as an indictment of football.  Most cases occur in youth sports where nobody is getting paid.

 

From the National Library of Medicine:

 

Commotio cordis plays a distressing role as a leading cause of sudden cardiac death in young athletes. Reported cases remain relatively infrequent (less than 30 cases are reported each year), although it is increasingly recognized. The US Commotio Cordis Registry (Minneapolis, MN) has been established to facilitate the aggregation of information.

Children appear to be at the highest risk for commotio cordis. The mean age reported in the registry is 15 years, and very few cases have been reported above 20 years old. This may be a result of a combination of a thinner chest wall relative to an adult and an increased likelihood to participate in activities where they are likely to be hit in the chest. 

Ninety-five percent of reported cases occur in boys, which is likely again a reflection of selection for participation in sports which provides the risk factors necessary for commotio cordis to occur. However, the anatomical differences in the chest wall thickness may also play a role.

 

 

[PS17]

54 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

I'll never forget that look on Josh Allen's face. 

The most haunting look I’ve ever seen on an athlete. I thought Hamlin was dead after seeing Allen’s reaction. 

[Maynard13]

12 minutes ago, Jet9 said:

You're making sh*t up in your head to be pissed off about. Imagine thinking this conversation isn't because of the NFL's malfeasance. They took an hour to do what any normal person knew they should have done about 30 minutes in. They were conferring with themselves regarding their 'strategic partners'. Go to bed, retard. 

POS

[bitonti]

15 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Emotions are very high, and available information is imperfect, and everyone handles such challenging events/things differently.

I'd caution all to be mindful of these things, and not over-react to each other or get angry with each other or make things worse.

Keep calm and carry on was once a thing for a reason.  Steady as we all go.

I just wanted to say thank you to all of mods to max and most of the sane other posters here 

When something horrible happens, it's essential to have a community to commiserate with. It's not a masculine thing to say but I appreciate the (dysfunctional) JN family on a night like tonight

 

[August]

Skip is insensitive for that tweet. 

[Jet9]

Just now, Maynard13 said:

POS

You're hammered. Go to sleep. 

[Lupz27]

7 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Which is what any smart, multi billion dollar corporation should do.

The NFL got it right.  They even got input from the coaches who were more personally involved and then made the decision together.

It was a great job by all, not rushed to judgement and the right call was made.

Just shows how miserable people really are and look for the negative in anything.  Pathetic.

 

They told the players to take 5 and resume the coaches said **** off, the NFL dropped the ball luckily the people in the building didn’t they made the right call right there when they pulled their guys off the field, that was against the NFL’s wishes it was stated on the telecast.

[Jet9]

9 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Which is what any smart, multi billion dollar corporation should do.

The NFL got it right.  They even got input from the coaches who were more personally involved and then made the decision together.

It was a great job by all, not rushed to judgement and the right call was made.

Just shows how miserable people really are and look for the negative in anything.  Pathetic.

 

Your entire schtick here is that of one who worships authority. 

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

From the American Heart Association (2012 publication):

 

Introduction

Commotio cordis is a phenomenon in which a sudden blunt impact to the chest causes sudden death in the absence of cardiac damage. This condition was first described in the middle of the 18th century in the context of chest trauma among workers.¹ Through most of the 20th century, it was only sporadically reported. In the last 2 or 3 decades, commotio cordis events have primarily occurred in sports, and thus, this phenomenon has become more well known to the sports communities and physicians.^2–4 Commotio cordis is to be differentiated from cardiac contusion (contusio cordis), a situation in which blunt chest trauma causes structural cardiac damage, such as observed in motor vehicular accidents.

 

Commotio Cordis in Humans

 

Epidemiology

Approximately 10 to 20 cases are added to the Commotio Cordis Registry yearly.^3,4 Until the late 1990s, commotio cordis was only rarely reported. It is thought that this increase in the number of cases is not due to an increase in incidence but rather to a greater awareness based on the 1995 New England Journal of Medicine report on commotio cordis.² Many more cases of commotio cordis are now recognized as such. Indeed, what was thought to be a uniquely North American phenomenon is increasingly being reported in countries outside the United States.⁵

Commotio cordis primarily affects young individuals, generally in adolescence. In the Registry, the mean age is 15 years⁴; there have been very few commotio cordis victims over the age of 20 years. It traditionally has been thought that the stiffening of the chest wall contributes to this decrease in incidence in older individuals; however, this decreased incidence in those over 20 years of age is likely also influenced by the reduced ball-related sports participation by older individuals. Victims are overwhelmingly male. A partial explanation for the overwhelming predominance of males is that they populate the majority of sports in which commotio occurs, but it appears unlikely that the 95% predilection for males reflects a 95% incidence of chest wall impact in sports and activities of daily living. I suspect that there may also be some gender-related biological susceptibility to chest wall impact induced sudden cardiac death. Indeed, other arrhythmic conditions demonstrate a gender predilection for arrhythmia, including females with long-QT syndrome^6,7 and males with Brugada syndrome.⁸ Genetic differences in ion channels between the sexes or biological modification of these channels by sex hormones may be involved in the male susceptibility to commotio cordis.

 

Sports

Baseball is the most common sport in which commotio occurs. Nearly all commotio events are caused by direct baseball strikes to the left chest wall over the cardiac silhouette. Pitchers, catchers, and batters have the highest incidence of commotio cordis, likely because of the frequency of chest wall strikes; however, all players can be affected by this phenomenon. There is evidence from early baseball reports that commotio cordis occurred in the early 20th century, even though it was not recognized as such. In a 1900 to 1910 archival baseball report, there were 19 reported deaths caused by ball strikes over the heart.⁹ Lacrosse, with its increased popularity, is reporting a rising incidence of commotio cordis events.¹⁰ Other common sports in which commotio cordis occur are hockey and softball, yet commotio cordis has been described in nearly all sports. In those sports in which there is no solid hard ball, commotio occurs secondary to impacts with elbows, fists, and helmets. Commotio is also reported in activities of daily living in which impact to the chest wall occurs with fists or other hard compact objects.

 

Resuscitation

Resuscitation, once thought to be nearly universally unsuccessful, has now been demonstrated to be successful in up to 35% of commotio cordis victims.⁴ The initial rhythm is ventricular fibrillation in those in whom a defibrillator is used relatively early after the event. Currently, the outcome of resuscitation in commotio cordis appears to be very similar to that for resuscitation in other forms of sudden cardiac death. Whether syncope associated with chest wall impact is an aborted commotio cordis event secondary to nonsustained ventricular fibrillation or transient complete heart block has not yet been determined.

 

Resuscitation is now above 50% due to increased knowledge of the condition and how to treat it.

[Maynard13]

2 minutes ago, Jet9 said:

Your entire schtick here is that of one who worships authority. 

You have to be the most annoying a$$hole I've ever encountered here. And there are numerous but you take the cake.  A man is fighting for his life and all you can do is clog the board with crap. Unbelievable.

[batman10023]

11 minutes ago, PS17 said:

The most haunting look I’ve ever seen on an athlete. I thought Hamlin was dead after seeing Allen’s reaction. 

Thankfully they didn’t show any of the medical treatment on tv. 

[Aussie Jet]

https://www.twitter.com/FOX19Joe/status/1610124569624600576

 

For some reason, I couldn't get the tweet to embed. Apparently the Bills are flying back to Buffalo tonight although they will have certain staff members stay behind in Cincinnati to be with Hamlin.

 

This guy has also tweeted that both owners are currently in the Bills locker room.

[Maxman]

23 minutes ago, Jet9 said:

You're making sh*t up in your head to be pissed off about. Imagine thinking this conversation isn't because of the NFL's malfeasance. They took an hour to do what any normal person knew they should have done about 30 minutes in. They were conferring with themselves regarding their 'strategic partners'. Go to bed, retard. 

I am not going to lecture you on the use of that word. It should be self explanatory at this point.

I will say that language like this is not acceptable or allowed here.

[Jet_Engine1]

7 minutes ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

From the American Heart Association (2012 publication):

 

Introduction

Commotio cordis is a phenomenon in which a sudden blunt impact to the chest causes sudden death in the absence of cardiac damage. This condition was first described in the middle of the 18th century in the context of chest trauma among workers.¹ Through most of the 20th century, it was only sporadically reported. In the last 2 or 3 decades, commotio cordis events have primarily occurred in sports, and thus, this phenomenon has become more well known to the sports communities and physicians.^2–4 Commotio cordis is to be differentiated from cardiac contusion (contusio cordis), a situation in which blunt chest trauma causes structural cardiac damage, such as observed in motor vehicular accidents.

 

Commotio Cordis in Humans

 

Epidemiology

Approximately 10 to 20 cases are added to the Commotio Cordis Registry yearly.^3,4 Until the late 1990s, commotio cordis was only rarely reported. It is thought that this increase in the number of cases is not due to an increase in incidence but rather to a greater awareness based on the 1995 New England Journal of Medicine report on commotio cordis.² Many more cases of commotio cordis are now recognized as such. Indeed, what was thought to be a uniquely North American phenomenon is increasingly being reported in countries outside the United States.⁵

Commotio cordis primarily affects young individuals, generally in adolescence. In the Registry, the mean age is 15 years⁴; there have been very few commotio cordis victims over the age of 20 years. It traditionally has been thought that the stiffening of the chest wall contributes to this decrease in incidence in older individuals; however, this decreased incidence in those over 20 years of age is likely also influenced by the reduced ball-related sports participation by older individuals. Victims are overwhelmingly male. A partial explanation for the overwhelming predominance of males is that they populate the majority of sports in which commotio occurs, but it appears unlikely that the 95% predilection for males reflects a 95% incidence of chest wall impact in sports and activities of daily living. I suspect that there may also be some gender-related biological susceptibility to chest wall impact induced sudden cardiac death. Indeed, other arrhythmic conditions demonstrate a gender predilection for arrhythmia, including females with long-QT syndrome^6,7 and males with Brugada syndrome.⁸ Genetic differences in ion channels between the sexes or biological modification of these channels by sex hormones may be involved in the male susceptibility to commotio cordis.

 

Sports

Baseball is the most common sport in which commotio occurs. Nearly all commotio events are caused by direct baseball strikes to the left chest wall over the cardiac silhouette. Pitchers, catchers, and batters have the highest incidence of commotio cordis, likely because of the frequency of chest wall strikes; however, all players can be affected by this phenomenon. There is evidence from early baseball reports that commotio cordis occurred in the early 20th century, even though it was not recognized as such. In a 1900 to 1910 archival baseball report, there were 19 reported deaths caused by ball strikes over the heart.⁹ Lacrosse, with its increased popularity, is reporting a rising incidence of commotio cordis events.¹⁰ Other common sports in which commotio cordis occur are hockey and softball, yet commotio cordis has been described in nearly all sports. In those sports in which there is no solid hard ball, commotio occurs secondary to impacts with elbows, fists, and helmets. Commotio is also reported in activities of daily living in which impact to the chest wall occurs with fists or other hard compact objects.

 

Resuscitation

Resuscitation, once thought to be nearly universally unsuccessful, has now been demonstrated to be successful in up to 35% of commotio cordis victims.⁴ The initial rhythm is ventricular fibrillation in those in whom a defibrillator is used relatively early after the event. Currently, the outcome of resuscitation in commotio cordis appears to be very similar to that for resuscitation in other forms of sudden cardiac death. Whether syncope associated with chest wall impact is an aborted commotio cordis event secondary to nonsustained ventricular fibrillation or transient complete heart block has not yet been determined.

 

Resuscitation is now above 50% due to increased knowledge of the condition and how to treat it.

It causes coarse VFib, which is treatable by Field EMS. Defib and Amioderone Bolus are the effective treatment. If it converts, as long as there are no other underlying issues. Recovery rates are high. 

 

Thank God.

[Jet9]

1 minute ago, Maynard13 said:

You have to be the most annoying a$$hole I've ever encountered here. And there are numerous but you take the cake.  A man is fighting for his life and all you can do is clog the board with crap. Unbelievable.

You got here last year... apparently.  Also, I can tell you are absolutely schnockered right now. 

[Maxman]

To those fighting in this thread, kindly knock it off.

Just walk away. Good grief.

[ultraJETfan]

The longer it takes to hear something the more worried I get.

[Maxman]

Just now, Jet9 said:

You got here last year... apparently.  Also, I can tell you are absolutely schnockered right now. 

@Maynard13

The two of you need to put each other on ignore. No more back and forth.

[Maxman]

Just now, ultraJETfan said:

The longer it takes to hear something the more worried I get.

Been thinking this all night. Hoping for good news but an update with great news would have been amazing. I prayed for him, will continue to do so.