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Did JD reach his objectives the season

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  1. 1. Did JD reach his objectives this season

    • Ues. He said the goal was to play meaningful games in Dec.
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    • No. He presided over a total collapse.
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JTJet

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2 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

No.

When he said the goal was for the team to play meaningful games in December, I figured it was implied that they had to win AT LEAST ONE of them!

f*ck off

It's amazing how people here have translated that quote into something that meets the bare minimum standard. 

When I first heard that, I assumed he meant he wanted to be in control in December and make the playoffs.

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carlito1171

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The original goal was to play meaningful games in december...but I'm sorry.....once you hit 7-4 and lose 5 straight that changes the calculus of the entire situation

JD along with Saleh has to own up to presiding over a complete 2nd half meltdown, be brutally honest in what needs to be done to correct it, and get aggressive in finding a solution....esp with an extension at stake at the end of next season...

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slimjasi

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2 minutes ago, JTJet said:

It's amazing how people here have translated that quote into something that meets the bare minimum standard. 

When I first heard that, I assumed he meant he wanted to be in control in December and make the playoffs.

If we had hovered around 0.500 all year, but ultimately missed the playoffs by a game or two, no problem. The season could reasonably be looked at as a step in the right direction. But going from 7-4 to 7-9 is nothing short of an epic collapse. It's a blown opportunity. For all we know, we won't be 7-4 or better for the next 20 years. Nothing is guaranteed in the NFL or in sports, in general. Maybe Breece Hall is never the same player? Maybe Sauce and GW are out for the season by week 3 next year? Maybe an asteroid destroys earth on September 1st? Who knows. 

F. Try again. 

 

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26 minutes ago, Hal N of Provo said:

No.  

He’s got an offensive staff that’s horrible.  Not being able to coach and develop talent is what they are bad at.  And it’s a shame because that’s the whole job.  

That’s a saleh issue. Saleh picked his own staff. The GM acquires talent the coaching staff has to coach and develop it.

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4 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

If we had hovered around 0.500 all year, but ultimately missed the playoffs by a game or two, no problem. The season could reasonably be looked at as a step in the right direction. But going from 7-4 to 7-9 is nothing short of an epic collapse. It's a blown opportunity. For all we know, we won't be 7-4 or better for the next 20 years. Nothing is guaranteed in the NFL or in sports, in general. Maybe Breece Hall is never the same player? Maybe Sauce and GW are out for the season by week 3 next year? Maybe an asteroid destroys earth on September 1st? Who knows. 

F. Try again. 

 

It was such a weird year.  We keep hearing "success happened a year early".  Except we're still an under .500 team and we might end the year with 6 straight losses and only 7 wins total.  And a couple of those W's were against 3rd string QBs.

The fans, however, have tasted at least some degree of winning this season and expectations are going to be raised going into next year.  On top of that, JD and Saleh are probably on the hot seat (Saleh way more than JD) so it's likely that the franchise's chips will be pushed to the middle of the table.

A guy like Derek Carr is such a "false hope" kind of QB (at elite money/years/guaranteed money) but my hunch is that he's who we're going to end up with.

It's almost unfair at this point to ask the fans to be patient while the rebuild continues with a low-end QB (e.g. Dalton).  But what can we do?  There are no quick fixes.  There's still a chance we could sneak into the playoffs with Dalton (assuming the team is healthy) but we'd still have to try to figure something out next offseason. 

Barring something unforeseen, we're too talented to be in position to draft Caleb Williams.  It's also highly unlikely that we'll be able to trade for him.  It svcks, but that's just a reality that we're going to have to accept.  The NFL is unpredictable though so who knows what will shake out next offseason, as far as QB availability goes.  

 

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QBs arent the only guys who need to develop. GMs and HCs do too.

JDs first draft was really bad, 2nd one better. he got some nice depth pieces and his 3rd he hit a HR.

Saleh 1st year wasnt good, his 2nd year he won 7-8 games with the worst QB in the Nfl.

dont you want to see how much they continue to improve? 

no screw them, we lost 5 straight, fire them all...smh

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jetspenguin

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It's amazing how people here have translated that quote into something that meets the bare minimum standard. 
When I first heard that, I assumed he meant he wanted to be in control in December and make the playoffs.
Then you my friend assumed wrong.

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2 hours ago, slimjasi said:

No.

When he said the goal was for the team to play meaningful games in December, I figured it was implied that they had to win AT LEAST ONE of them!

f*ck off

This franchise only wins December games when they’re meaningless.

Joke’s on us for failing to read the fine print.  

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2 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

He actually gave us more then he promised.  he said meaningful games in December.  We played a meaningful game in January.  Arrow is pointing up fellas.  Can wait to see what Joe D does next!!!!!!!!

The team quit on the field in that meaningful January game.

Maybe that’s a lot more on Saleh than JD. But it’s assuredly a stain on the entire regime.  

I was ready to call this season a success before that happened.  I couldn’t have dreamed this team would go through the motions like that with the postseason on the line.  Inexcusable performance by everyone involved.  

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Sperm Edwards

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1 hour ago, Barkus said:

That’s a saleh issue. Saleh picked his own staff. The GM acquires talent the coaching staff has to coach and develop it.

Totally true, but it's been brought up that this had to come up during the interview process. If Saleh didn't have enough clout to pull in more experienced coaches, and JD didn't have enough pull to get 1-2 more in for him, then maybe don't hire him.

All these young or just-promoted coaches, and how many had worked together before? Plus for some, their "experience" was bull***t like Quality Control "coach" as a job. Nothing wrong with that on a CV, but that's not real coaching experience yet. That's gathering & then handing upcoming opponent research to guys doing the actual coaching. It's not even being an assistant position coach.

Well three of the Jets' offensive coaches had only Quality Control Coach as the extent of their NFL coaching experience before getting elevated to position coach. THREE positions, on the same side of the ball: QBC (Calabrese), WRC (Austin), RBC (Embree). All those offensive players - young ones, at that - being taught & overseen by guys who'd never directly coached NFL players before. 

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His goal is to build a sustainable team that can reach and possibly win the super bowl.  I can see there has been progress to that end.  Perhaps many of you demand specific milestones but we have enough talent now that with the right moves we could be contenders for the title next year and beyond.  Let’s see JD through this. 

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He reached his objectives. Maybe not others' objectives, but his goal was to play meaningful games in December. 

I doubt he's satisfied with this season, but he met his objective, if in a really gnarly and gross fashion.

Furthermore, while this season ended as a dud, this team is still young and full of potential. Another draft and better FA signings could turn this team into a true contender. While I'm skeptical about some of the offensive coaching, I believe that it can be resolved in one season also.

I do not think things are as bad as they seem. That effort in Seattle was awful but it's not very different from anything else we've seen without Breece Hall tearing defenses up. Jets haven't scored more than 17 since the Vikings game and has only scored more than 22 once without Hall the entire season. 

With the draft and FA this offense can be bolstered a lot to be able to handle injuries to key players such as Hall and AVT. I mean look at how the defense changed in a single season. Some of that was coaching, but a lot of the success was completely flipping defensive roster. The same can happen to the offense. Garrett Wilson, Breece Hall, and AVT are really good starting pieces but more are necessary. A combination of a better offensive roster and actually competent coaching might mean a QB like Zach Wilson or Mike White could actually succeed in scoring points and being productive.

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Irish Jet

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Another losing season.

The meaningful games target was hit but it would have been hit for Adam Gase had his schedule fallen differently in year one. It doesn't make the epic collapse any more acceptable - The last two performances have been especially egregious. Just complete no shows when the chips were down. With hindsight we really took advantage of a favourable schedule. 5 of our 7 wins came against genuine trash at QB.

If Atlanta had taken Garrett Wilson the Jets likely draft Jermaine Johnson at #10 and if that had played out Douglas would be as good as gone. As it is anything less than a playoff appearance next season has to see all of the heads roll. You just can't blow a complete draft like he did in 2020, follow it up with a Jamarcus level bust and expect to keep your job. It's been a debacle for the most part. 

 

 

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i doubt if douglas reached his goals.  i think they changed. sure if someone said to him they'd win 7 games he'd probably say he'd be happy but the thing is the season changes.  the supposed weak part of the schedule got really hard when they faced surging jax and lions teams.  and who would've thought that they could still make the playoffs with two games to play.  and, of course, zwilson's development (or lack of) didn't help.  i'm sure he didn't want to go into next season with a qb issue.

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8 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Totally true, but it's been brought up that this had to come up during the interview process. If Saleh didn't have enough clout to pull in more experienced coaches, and JD didn't have enough pull to get 1-2 more in for him, then maybe don't hire him.

All these young or just-promoted coaches, and how many had worked together before? Plus for some, their "experience" was bull***t like Quality Control "coach" as a job. Nothing wrong with that on a CV, but that's not real coaching experience yet. That's gathering & then handing upcoming opponent research to guys doing the actual coaching. It's not even being an assistant position coach.

Well three of the Jets' offensive coaches had only Quality Control Coach as the extent of their NFL coaching experience before getting elevated to position coach. THREE positions, on the same side of the ball: QBC (Calabrese), WRC (Austin), RBC (Embree). All those offensive players - young ones, at that - being taught & overseen by guys who'd never directly coached NFL players before. 

This is actually  pretty frightening.  I didn't  know this. These are the 3 positions that score TD's. 

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11 hours ago, Hal N of Provo said:

No.  

He’s got an offensive staff that’s horrible.  Not being able to coach and develop talent is what they are bad at.  And it’s a shame because that’s the whole job.  

Bingo. People only focus on the players and the amazing draft that he had. Overall he’s above average drafting due to a legendary draft balancing out 2 bad ones. However, when it comes to coaching staff, he really screwed up with allowing so many 1st time coaches run wild and hurt the development of players. 

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JiFtheOracle

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His goals?  By the sounds of Saleh, everyone is super excited about collapsing in epic fashion and winning 1 game in the last 8 since after the bye.  The light is so bright at the end of the tunnel  finishing the season on a 6 game losing streak we need to invest in shades, for everyone!!!

So bright and positive!!!!!!!

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2 hours ago, Irish Jet said:

If Atlanta had taken Garrett Wilson the Jets likely draft Jermaine Johnson at #10 and if that had played out Douglas would be as good as gone. As it is anything less than a playoff appearance next season has to see all of the heads roll. You just can't blow a complete draft like he did in 2020, follow it up with a Jamarcus level bust and expect to keep your job. It's been a debacle for the most part.

So the great pick isn’t a great pick unless you’re picking first because whoever picked ahead of you should have taken that player?  What? 
His drafting, and FA acquisitions have been a debacle?  
 

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