Alka Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 6 hours ago, T0mShane said: Can you imagine being Duane Brown, playing out the string with a ****ed up shoulder, hearing this? Forget about Duane Brown. Can you imagine your boss telling you," you are 100% paid for the next 2 years. You fell apart and botched up your job. I think perhaps you should go find a beach somewhere and work it out for the next month or two. Just forget about work. Then, come back to us with more confidence, because we haven't given up on you." Then, I would wake up from my dream. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 2 minutes ago, Alka said: Forget about Duane Brown. Can you imagine your boss telling you," you are 100% paid for the next 2 years. You fell apart and botched up your job. I think perhaps you should go find a beach somewhere and work it out for the next month or two. Just forget about work. Then, come back to us with more confidence, because we haven't given up on you." Then, I would wake up from my dream. I’m guessing the locker room is fine with this approach. hypothetically, let’s say the jets had a person who had overall responsibility for football operations. One step further and that person was either mike Shan again, coughlin or parcells is this decision allowed? how long till the guys who wanted to do this would be gone? I would love to truly hear what us going on with players and coaches. I am guessing it is a total sh-t show 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 17 minutes ago, BP said: Lol! You are quite happy with 7 wins and another losing record. Let me tell you something, losing should be UNACCEPTABLE. Do you realize before the second patriots game saleh said “it’s not the end of the world if we lose this game” FFS why would he say that? This year alone has been a culmination of incompetence and him doing and saying all the wrong things and holding nobody accountable. That’s not gonna change by him being here longer. It’s going to make things worse. It’s about what I was hoping for. Hace no idea where you think o think or anyone thinks losing is unacceptable. Just because you stomp your feet doesn’t make a 7-8 win team a 10 win team. Considering his QBs probably cost him 4 wins, I’ll give it more time. You know what’s funny, you think what he says at the podium means squat. And you know he holds no one accountable. Move on, we don’t agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 1 minute ago, Jet Nut said: It’s about what I was hoping for. Hace no idea where you think o think or anyone thinks losing is unacceptable. Just because you stomp your feet doesn’t make a 7-8 win team a 10 win team. Considering his QBs probably cost him 4 wins, I’ll give it more time. You know what’s funny, you think what he says at the podium means squat. And you know he holds no one accountable. Move on, we don’t agree Lol ok Bob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 23 minutes ago, GangGreened said: Then who else you got? Who are all these coaches that get fired every 2 years and it’s such a mistake? That’s not what I said. Read I said firing HCs every 2 years doesn’t work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 4 Author Share Posted January 4 20 minutes ago, Alka said: Forget about Duane Brown. Can you imagine your boss telling you," you are 100% paid for the next 2 years. You fell apart and botched up your job. I think perhaps you should go find a beach somewhere and work it out for the next month or two. Just forget about work. Then, come back to us with more confidence, because we haven't given up on you." Then, I would wake up from my dream. I don’t get how this approach and this messaging helps Zach Wilson at all. If the locker room thought Zach was coddled before, what are they thinking now? You’re going to make him more of a pariah, sign an established vet, and THEN try to run it back with him in camp in five months? Crazy 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Rico Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 4 minutes ago, BP said: Lol ok Bob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 6 hours ago, Lurker89 said: We got people talking about signing Andy Dalton and Gardner Minshew..... Lafluer is a fraud, Salehs out of his depth and the entire team quit down the stretch... oh and the #2 overall pick needs to be taken out back and put down like a bad dog... things could not be much worse ... let's just burn it all down.😂 We're entering the let's just sign Fitzpatrick/ what about Josh McCown as a viable starter? Phase of the death spiral.... Luckily I'm well versed in enjoying the absurd failings of this storied franchise. Josh McCown is a playoff QB wirh this team 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 4 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I don’t get how this approach and this messaging helps Zach Wilson at all. If the locker room thought Zach was coddled before, what are they thinking now? You’re going to make him more of a pariah, sign an established vet, and THEN try to run it back with him in camp in five months? Crazy Saleh is going to hire a special psychologist assistant coach to deal with all the young players he can’t develop and who need his innovative reset. I kid, but if they really do? And I wouldn’t put it past them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 2 minutes ago, BP said: Saleh is going to hire a special psychologist assistant coach to deal with all the young players he can’t develop and who need his innovative reset. I kid, but if they really do? And I wouldn’t put it past them. You mean a life coach? any update when that meteor is coming and finally put an end to all of this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 How can a franchise have such a complete sh-tshow at one position for 50 years? It's absolutely insane. If you were to draft a QB in the 1st round 50 years in a row, it's got to be statistically near impossible to not eventually hit. Maybe they should try that. You don't have to even be a good evaluator. Eventually you will luck into the guy like the Chargers did with Herbert. Telesco drafted him because Anthony Lynn wanted a mobile QB who could help the RPO run game stuff and wouldn't be a sitting duck in the pocket. He was the top QB on the board who fit that bill, and they just pulled the trigger. I don't think they had any idea he would be this good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 4 minutes ago, Trotter said: You mean a life coach? any update when that meteor is coming and finally put an end to all of this? I would hire @T0mShane as Zach’s personal life coach. Maybe Saleh will ask him for help on what to say. We would lose a great poster, but Woody will gain a great asset and improve the situation immensely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 3 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said: How can a franchise have such a complete sh-tshow at one position for 50 years? It's absolutely insane. If you were to draft a QB in the 1st round 50 years in a row, it's got to be statistically near impossible to not eventually hit. Maybe they should try that. You don't have to even be a good evaluator. Eventually you will luck into the guy like the Chargers did with Herbert. Telesco drafted him because Anthony Lynn wanted a mobile QB who could help the RPO run game stuff and wouldn't be a sitting duck in the pocket. I’ve said this a million times. Had the Jets drafted favre instead of nagle they would have ruined him. Had they drafted mahomes instead of Adams they would have ruined him. It’s sink or swim here, and the Jets put a ball and chain on their ankle and dunk their balls in chum before pushing them into the shark tank. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 4 Author Share Posted January 4 2 minutes ago, BP said: I would hire @T0mShane as Zach’s personal life coach. Maybe Saleh will ask him for help on what to say. We would lose a great poster, but Woody will gain a great asset and improve the situation immensely. If anyone knows how to suck and still be mediocre, it’s Tom Shane 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 who cares... watching Sam and Geno alone should be reason to support Wilson we need to bring in a veteran who wants to beat the snot out of Wilson in a competition, and we should also be rooting for Wilson to pan out i honestly don't see any other logical conclusion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Rico Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Does anybody still think Zach legitimately got hurt in that pre-season game against the Eagles? I'm thinking he was like "I got this, I don't need this sh*t". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 1 minute ago, k-met57 said: who cares... watching Sam and Geno alone should be reason to support Wilson we need to bring in a veteran who wants to beat the snot out of Wilson in a competition, and we should also be rooting for Wilson to pan out i honestly don't see any other logical conclusion It was never remotely this bad with Sam and Geno. They never had the "yips". They could at least function from the pocket and execute basic reads and throws. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 7 hours ago, JetsFanatic said: Duane Brown is not a young QB 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker89 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 30 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: Josh McCown is a playoff QB wirh this team Both correct and sad all at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Rico Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 I know I'd be pissed if I was playing on Sunday and that punk is off squeezing pink sand between his toes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 There is a lot more wrong with this team than just QB. Jets lost 2 winnable games with Minn and Buffalo as well. They fell behind in both games and had to play catch up plus the previous discussed red zone blah blah blah. They could not establish run game early in any of the games since Breece went down but 1 player should not end your season which essentially what happen. They need to really look at OL and not just who they starting but their blocking concepts are not working and they need to figure that sh*t out toot sweet. I believe and I have said this ad nauseam in many posts that this is the root of many of the issues. They run hot and cold with their zone blocking concepts and they are far too predictable. Imaging being upcoming defense player looking at tape of the Jets and their zone blocking, well it is a lot easier to predict and see movement on tape of more than 1 player at a time in unison especially when they are not good at it. Smarter defenses are jumping those gaps and stuffing every other play. Yet MLF keeps trying and hoping for a different outcome. and yeah yeah yeah injuries, well every team has injuries and even more so in zone blocking concept so deal with it if you want to run with this concept. If not go back to gap scheme or my preference some combo of both until you get better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Guy Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 44 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said: It was never remotely this bad with Sam and Geno. They never had the "yips". They could at least function from the pocket and execute basic reads and throws. Right. I think geno had a perfect passer rating of 153 in the last game of his rookie year in Miami. Geno never looked as incompetent as Zach. I remember that game. He played great. false equivalency by Saleh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZSOJ Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 I believe his record is 11-22. JD record is 20-45 .308. FB guy laid it out perfectly. If you are unwilling to modify your schemes that are either failing or moderately successful, then you need to go. I am not a fan of ZW and think that selection was a bad pick esp because of the throw that everyone was crazy about... BTW - SAM made the same throw duing a game against the 49ers game three years ago pass went for a TD to Berrios... If these guys truly believe that ZW is the answer ... then they will be looking for work after nect year. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 2 hours ago, GangGreened said: You can’t fire him now, but it’s extremely hard to feel good about him going into next year. Sure you can. Woody paid Gase and that bum in Tampa after they were gone. Shoot, he might still be paying them. Woody's money means nothing to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Rico Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said: How can a franchise have such a complete sh-tshow at one position for 50 years? It's absolutely insane. Look at the complete sh*t show of head coaches and gm's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Claw Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Goddamn, lol, you guys are STILL so mad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 3 hours ago, Jet Nut said: Gase? You’re comparing this to Gase? You’re really making a case for yourself. You just said 7 wins was a good effort That's where they started with gase 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetswinbaby! Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Hey Zach... If they say they are sending you to Vegas for a "break." don't believe it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 10 hours ago, T0mShane said: Listen, it might be the best thing for him. And he will probably get to come to camp. But there BETTER be a Derek Carr, Jimmy G, Jacoby Brissett, or equivalent signed in the off-season. If the kid can beat them out, great. If he can't, he will need to be traded. Simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 5 hours ago, Jet Nut said: Wait they don’t want to fire the GM who just had one of our best drafts in team history JDs 2022 good draft doesn't really cancel the 2021 bad draft pick of Zach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, bitonti said: You just said 7 wins was a good effort That's where they started with gase Poor jet nut is all over the place in this thread. It’s like he’s salehs PR director. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, bitonti said: You just said 7 wins was a good effort That's where they started with gase Yes, the two teams are compatible. Plus they gutted the team and built up to those 7 unbelievably lucky 7 Gase wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 16 minutes ago, bitonti said: JDs 2022 good draft doesn't really cancel the 2021 bad draft pick of Zach Except it does. Drafts picks aren’t guaranteed for one. QBs bust all the time, even one’s that most had rated right where ZW went for #2. 3. Zach’s career isn’t over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 17 minutes ago, bitonti said: JDs 2022 good draft doesn't really cancel the 2021 bad draft pick of Zach Picking ZW with the 2nd pick in 2021 is not really a crime, even though I would have preferred Fields at the time, his pick was understandable. What was a crime was not recognizing what a project he was, and not having a plan in place nor the right staff in place to develop that project, and throwing him out on day 1 when he had no business playing on day 1. All invovled in whatever weird ass structure the Jets have, should have conseqences Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68JET11 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 6 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said: If/when he does, he also needs to hire a few camp-fodder pass rushers who need the money, to spend the rest of the winter & spring with him on a practice field as they run right towards his face in 2-3 seconds. Forget 3-on-3 throws on a HS field, or waiting for camp's 7-on-7 drills that get him too comfortable with the idea that, in a game, he can just stand there indefinitely or panic & run backwards, since it's the element of pass rush pressure that makes him so terrible. Not pitter-patter his feet as though he's juking imaginary pass rushers. Real people. Or AI software/glasses if that'll help gather a full 11-on-11. Saw something about that this past offseason. Good point... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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