Beerfish Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 minute ago, SickJetFan said: so MLF couldnt jump up and down yelling for them to pick up another QB and just went along with even though it was his career too? I neither know nor care if mlf said anything about this. The first responsibility is the general manager, that being Douglas. Coaches may say 'we can get by' or 'we need better' but it is up to the gm to form the roster and then let the coaches coach. You can blame, the oc or the head coach or the gm or the owner, they all share in the blame for a bad decision. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Flea Flicking Frank said: No, you are not, its my good friend 80 who posted that I just read “wanted a reach around” and “Zach sucks.” 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 24 minutes ago, T0mShane said: But there was literally nothing about Zach Wilson was close to ready to start an NFL game or command an NFL huddle, but they decided on that based on a bunch of Zoom interactions With all new coaches, schemes, and playbook, there was no benefit of trotting out Flacco or another journeyman Vet to waste a season. Last year was an opportunity for all of them to gain valuable experience and grow together in lockstep. It was the plan from the outset. Now that MLF is feeling the heat he's trying to change the narrative - self preservation at its finest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Zachtomims47 said: They're all to blame. JD, Saleh and LaFluer. They discussed a plan and thought, yeah this will be fine. The circling firing squad has begun.....none of them want that ZW stink following their careers. Its going to get ugly 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Beerfish said: I neither know nor care if mlf said anything about this. The first responsibility is the general manager, that being Douglas. Coaches may say 'we can get by' or 'we need better' but it is up to the gm to form the roster and then let the coaches coach. You can blame, the oc or the head coach or the gm or the owner, they all share in the blame for a bad decision. the OC is the one who reports progress on regular basis on all the off players most importantly a raw rookie QB to his def mided friend/coach, overweight GM, and gomer pile owner its up to him to raise red flags...who else will? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Zachtomims47 said: I mean, it sounds like he knows he's on his way out. Tweets like this are so meaningless without context. I assume he’s answering a question? Depending on the wording of the question the point of all of this can do a 180* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Just now, Flea Flicking Frank said: That was a highly flawed analysis, highly flawed that proved nothing, other than allowing the poster to give himself a reach around and have a bunch of meaningless thumbs up fro everyone who wanted to say ZW would have sucked no matter what. Every QB is an individual situation, ZW was a prospect coming from a small school with flawed fundamentals. If ever there is a profile of a QB who needs to adjust to the NFL game it was ZW. I did nt want to draft ZW, I wanted Fields, but I said from day 1 he was drafted he needs to sit and learn the game and prove he is ready, he clearly wasnt. Now MLF is saying that as well, but in hindsight. The thing is, Zach didn't look overwhelmed in his preseason games. He checked all the boxes to start against a bad Panthers team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, SickJetFan said: the OC is the one who reports progress on regular basis on all the off players most importantly a raw rookie QB to his def mided friend/coach, overweight GM, and gomer pile owner its up to him to raise red flags...who else will? Good points. JDs weight is the most important part of the equation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: The thing is, Zach didn't look overwhelmed in his preseason games. He checked all the boxes to start against a bad Panthers team. He threw a pick 6 on his 2nd pass of preseason G1 this year The ‘21 Panthers sucked azz 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Good points. JDs weight is the most important part of the equation he is at risk of diabetes 2 at very least. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 hour ago, slimjasi said: I had the same interpretation. At the end of the day, it's going to be hard to sell keeping an OC whose offense has scored 3 total TDs in 5 games during a playoff race. And you can't make it all about Zach Wilson - he only played in 2 of those 5 games. Team that was competitive against the league’s best teams this year absolutely rolled over with playoffs on the line the last several games. You can’t just ignore that either and hope that they are just pissed about offense more than just quitting on saleh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: The thing is, Zach didn't look overwhelmed in his preseason games. He checked all the boxes to start against a bad Panthers team. One thing we are learning is all this "he looks good at camp/preaseason" has be taken with a grain of salt. When the 1st defense is coming at you with all its got when it matters, the QB's job becomes more difficult as do the other intangibles like "dealing with adversity" and "leadership" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said: He threw a pick 6 on his 2nd pass of preseason G1 this year The ‘21 Panthers sucked azz All QBs should be rated off of one preseason pass The point you missed was his 1st preseason he played well and then looked ok in his opener against Carolina. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 8 minutes ago, SickJetFan said: the OC is the one who reports progress on regular basis on all the off players most importantly a raw rookie QB to his def mided friend/coach, overweight GM, and gomer pile owner its up to him to raise red flags...who else will? People have eyes they can see progress or not. It is not up to the oc to make sure there are alernatives other than the wet behind the ears not ready kid. It was a total organizational decision to start wilson and have no viable backup. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Just now, Beerfish said: People have eyes they can see progress or not. It is not up to the oc to make sure there are alernatives other than the wet behind the ears not ready kid. It was a total organizational decision to start wilson and have no viable backup. agree to disagree..then why have an OC...dont answer that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted January 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 5, 2023 11 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said: With all new coaches, schemes, and playbook, there was no benefit of trotting out Flacco or another journeyman Vet to waste a season. Last year was an opportunity for all of them to gain valuable experience and grow together in lockstep. It was the plan from the outset. Now that MLF is feeling the heat he's trying to change the narrative - self preservation at its finest. Zach was a frail-looking fresh-faced herb from the burbs of Utah who never saw a pass rush. Rolling him out there to carry the franchise was always going to be a mistake 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 not buying the MLF as the little innocent victim in all this if you go back and rewatch both seasons of 1JD and go back and watch all his pressers during training camps and preseasons he does not come off as a victim. He comes off as gung ho and all in on everything they were doing yes Saleh big part of this and JD too but little MLF is not a victim and either is Saleh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 49 minutes ago, Flea Flicking Frank said: If your argument is that the signing bonus is dictating how the Jets develop players, things are even worse than I think they are with this stupid organization. When you pick someone at 2, the value of hitting on that pick, particularly a QB should far outweigh the signing bonus. Sitting someone for a year, if not ready, gives them a better chance of working out. At this point, whatever they put into ZW both in $$ and years is completely lost right now. Thats called awful business. The point of picking a player at 2 is that he doesn't need to sit a year first round is for starters second round and beyond is for prospects the real problem here is that the NYJ drafted a 3rd round QB at 2 overall. Once he was drafted 2 they couldn't bench him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 16 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: All QBs should be rated off of one preseason pass The point you missed was his 1st preseason he played well and then looked ok in his opener against Carolina. Preseason pick 6 in year 2 means nothing, but a non-trash rookie debut performance when the league has no tape on you is meaningful? What is your point exactly? It’s all irrelevant. The last we saw of Wilson he was skipping bounce passes like John Stockton in prime time vs a bad Jags D. He’s not even good enough to dress on gameday right now. Strev is the #3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 37 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Woody Johnson was in Britain when this all went down did you see the uniforms Chris picked out? I mean, cmon. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 If Woody tells Saleh he wants Lafleur fired, what happens? Saleh does what he’s told, or says no and gets fired, too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetPotato Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 25 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said: If Woody tells Saleh he wants Lafleur fired, what happens? Saleh does what he’s told, or says no and gets fired, too? This implies Woody cares or knows what's doing. He thinks the offensive coordinator is the kid on the social media team that handles the mean replies on Instagram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 32 minutes ago, bitonti said: The point of picking a player at 2 is that he doesn't need to sit a year first round is for starters second round and beyond is for prospects the real problem here is that the NYJ drafted a 3rd round QB at 2 overall. Once he was drafted 2 they couldn't bench him. That may be true for any position but QB. As we all know the most important piece of a team is the QB. If you don't have a FQB and you have a top pick it makes sense to roll the dice to some extent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlito1171 Posted January 5, 2023 Author Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Zachtomims47 said: They figured he would just learn and grow on the job. ultimately they were fine with it because they knew it would be a throwaway/rebuilding year anyways....look at the roster we had going into the season...... But it was still a stupid decision from the braintrust because look at how many of these top QB picks with question marks flopped with sh!t rosters around them.... The David Carr's, Ryan Leaf's, Akili Smith's, Joey Harrington's, and Tim Couches of the world.....hell even some generational prospects struggled with barren wastelands for rosters their rookie year.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OtherwiseHappyinLife Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 3 hours ago, T0mShane said: It was not his decision to start Zach Wilson from day one and he wants everyone to know it BAM!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 4 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said: BAM!! Bam wasn't his decision either , he was on the PS ?. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OtherwiseHappyinLife Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 5 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said: Bam wasn't his decision either , he was on the PS ?. LOL. We could have lost a nice complementary back for peanuts. Oh vey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 He was probably told to display some humbleness, and declare that he learned from the experience. He's the coaching equivalent of ZW currently as a hyped up underachiever not ready for the spot he's in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDown Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 3 hours ago, carlito1171 said: LMAO Can't make this Sh!t up! In all honesty, this is a Head Coach decision. It was also a decision made implicitly by Joe Douglas by not having a viable veteran on the roster. They went into camp with a QB room consisting of Wilson, Morgan, and White in 2021. There was never any question Wilson was going to be the Day 1 starter. The decision was made on Zach Wilson's pro day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 3 hours ago, Biggs said: In hindsight Lefleur should have been the TE coach. "offense quality control coordinator" Or some made up sh*t like that where he can't hurt the team with his ineptitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 hour ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said: He threw a pick 6 on his 2nd pass of preseason G1 this year The ‘21 Panthers sucked azz How is throwing a pick 6 in his second year indicative of being unable to play year 1? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 hour ago, kevinc855 said: One thing we are learning is all this "he looks good at camp/preaseason" has be taken with a grain of salt. When the 1st defense is coming at you with all its got when it matters, the QB's job becomes more difficult as do the other intangibles like "dealing with adversity" and "leadership" The intangibles is a piece Zach was missing but it's not like he showed he was 2022 bad in preseason 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 4 hours ago, T0mShane said: LaFleur’s presser was a master class in passive aggression. yikes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Looks like he smells blood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinSwayne82 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Not sure why anyone is ripping LaFleur. Everything he said was spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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