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May have screwed up initially, but the Jets are doing the right thing with Zach now

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Even if we accept the premise that Zach needed to sit for an extended period of time before playing, doesn't that automatically render the decision to take him #2 overall a mistake? 

You don't need to use a top 5 draft pick on a guy who needs to be redshirted for 1-2 years. You can trade down and draft a guy like that. 

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9 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Even if we accept the premise that Zach needed to sit for an extended period of time before playing, doesn't that automatically render the decision to take him #2 overall a mistake? 

You don't need to use a top 5 draft pick on a guy who needs to be redshirted for 1-2 years. You can trade down and draft a guy like that. 

If they thought he needed to sit for a couple of years then maybe they don't draft him.  If they thought he'd be ready from year 1, they were wrong and they're admitting that.  

The alternative would be cutting ties with a low-cost player who has a ton of talent.  

None of us know if it'll work out or not.  If I had to bet money I'd say it doesn't work.  But I'd prefer the "leave no stone unturned" approach to the "this might be hard, let's quit" approach.

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6 minutes ago, AFJF said:

If they thought he needed to sit for a couple of years then maybe they don't draft him.  If they thought he'd be ready from year 1, they were wrong and they're admitting that.  

The alternative would be cutting ties with a low-cost player who has a ton of talent.  

None of us know if it'll work out or not.  If I had to bet money I'd say it doesn't work.  But I'd prefer the "leave no stone unturned" approach to the "this might be hard, let's quit" approach.

I have no problem leaving him on the roster as a backup and working with him for another year in camp and practice, I'm just pointing out that he's already been a bad pick at #2 overall. I hope he turns into a stud and is here for 15 years after the light turns on next season, but I am highly skeptical. 

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15 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

So sit him for 2 more years, then pick up the 5th year option 

Sounds Jet-like

I think the goal will be for him to sit most of next season, maybe a cameo over the final couple weeks with an eye on having him try to win the starting job the following year.  Makes it tougher to attract some vet free agent QB's, but I'm not sure Jimmy G is going to have tons of teams offering him four or five year deals.  

You bring in somebody like that on a 2 year deal with a third year option and you move forward.

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Just now, slimjasi said:

I have no problem leaving him on the roster as a backup and working with him for another year in camp and practice, I'm just pointing out that he's already been a bad pick at #2 overall. I hope he turns into a stud and is here for 15 years after the light turns on next season, but I am highly skeptical. 

Wholly agree.  Likely ends up being a wasted pick.  But if there's any chance at turning him around, I'd rather that be done here than somewhere else.

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3 minutes ago, AFJF said:

Saleh said it perfectly a few weeks ago.  And I'm paraphrasing here:

"Everybody wants you to develop players, but nobody has the patience to let you do it"

If their plan was that he’d be ready right away and now two years later they say in retrospect he should’ve sat then perhaps nobody has the trust, not the patients, to let this staff specifically do it. I said he should’ve sat from day one. It was painfully obvious.

The roster construction last year that led to there really being no other option is on Douglas in a big, big way because his job is to big picture make sure the staff has what they need on the roster. But this staff hasn’t done a lot of great developing on offense so far.

And honestly Douglas hasn’t given them opportunities where I think he should. Offensive line was his specialty right? Benton one of the most veteran coaches on the roster. Only two developmental picks over three years and lots of vets including as depth, best development he has to show for it is maybe Mitchell steps in at RT when Fant walks but we’re not really sure.

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Benching Zach was correct, but it is an incredibly superficial decision in the scope of saying whether they are doing the right thing with Zach. What is the plan and who is working with Zach this offseason? What's going to be different? Until you know that who really cares if they just benched him and are FINALLY just making the decision to avoid subjecting everyone to the child sh*tting the bed repeatedly and realizing it's not productive.

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9 minutes ago, Larz said:

It’s all lies. They are criminally incompetent.  All bullsh*t. next year is already shaping up to be a wasted year.  

If they think they can sell another year of Wilson nonsense, think they are sadly deluded. Have to get a vet in here who is a real NFL QB. Because Zach Wilson is hot garbage juice in a July heatwave bad. 

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4 minutes ago, Bugg said:

If they think they can sell another year of Wilson nonsense, think they are sadly deluded. Have to get a vet in here who is a real NFL QB. Because Zach Wilson is hot garbage juice in a July heatwave bad. 

Agree. The only logical explanation for this is Zach is a dead man walking and this is the plan that they came up with to deflect attention from it until June. 
 

here’s the question that I would ask Saleh, “ coach, how would you explain to jets fans that the #2 pick in the draft is so broken right now that you quite obviously are desperate to avoid playing him under any circumstances, yet you feel like it can be fixed in a single offseason?”

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I would be more supportive of this if Zach wasn't walking around with his tail between his legs already. He looked/looks completely broken. I'd be shocked if he can come back and perform at any type of starter level for the Jets. He needs to go ride the bench for a couple of years behind a real starter and completely reset himself... get himself out of the limelight and let everybody forget about him. Then maybe he can re-emerge

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Although many people probably think I'm "Anti Zach" I'm not. I have nothing against the kid and don't think he is the "d-bag" many paint him out to be.

I just think he is objectively bad at this point in his career and that many of the defenses put forth by media personalities are trash takes. He has played at a worst in the league level for 2 years and regressed terribly this year.

I hope he can pull a miracle turn around but I'm not holding my breath.

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2 hours ago, slimjasi said:

Even if we accept the premise that Zach needed to sit for an extended period of time before playing, doesn't that automatically render the decision to take him #2 overall a mistake? 

You don't need to use a top 5 draft pick on a guy who needs to be redshirted for 1-2 years. You can trade down and draft a guy like that. 

The problem is they had hoped/believed  his game would evolve much sooner to match the physical skill sets. No one expected him to be this bad in year 2 . When you have no quality QB  and the #2 pick you need to take that swing . If the Jets traded down or didn't pick a QB at all and ZW went on to be worthy of the #2 pick, they would have been crucified for that decision and rightfully so .  

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8 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said:

The problem is they had hoped/believed  his game would evolve much sooner to match the physical skill sets. No one expected him to be this bad in year 2 . When you have no quality QB  and the #2 pick you need to take that swing . If the Jets traded down or didn't pick a QB at all and ZW went on to be worthy of the #2 pick, they would have been crucified for that decision and rightfully so .  

Of course they would - but that's why these guys get paid the big bucks - to make the right decision! It looks like they made the wrong one and now they are being crucified for it!

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48 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Of course they would - but that's why these guys get paid the big bucks - to make the right decision! It looks like they made the wrong one and now they are being crucified for it!

 

59 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said:

The problem is they had hoped/believed  his game would evolve much sooner to match the physical skill sets. No one expected him to be this bad in year 2 . When you have no quality QB  and the #2 pick you need to take that swing . If the Jets traded down or didn't pick a QB at all and ZW went on to be worthy of the #2 pick, they would have been crucified for that decision and rightfully so .  

Really this has been JD's style since he got here.  Go for the high ceiling guy and hope for the best.  Becton vs. Wirfs.  Zach vs. trading down into Mack Jones.  Kind of similar.  When a high ceiling guy hits (Sauce Gardner), it's great.  When it misses, well, here we are...  

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9 minutes ago, peekskill68 said:

 

Really this has been JD's style since he got here.  Go for the high ceiling guy and hope for the best.  Becton vs. Wirfs.  Zach vs. trading down into Mack Jones.  Kind of similar.  When a high ceiling guy hits (Sauce Gardner), it's great.  When it misses, well, here we are...  

That's why the draft is often called an educated crapshoot.  You can do all the scouting, pre draft workouts etc but there are no guarantees.

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3 hours ago, Lurker89 said:

Although many people probably think I'm "Anti Zach" I'm not. I have nothing against the kid and don't think he is the "d-bag" many paint him out to be.

I just think he is objectively bad at this point in his career and that many of the defenses put forth by media personalities are trash takes. He has played at a worst in the league level for 2 years and regressed terribly this year.

I hope he can pull a miracle turn around but I'm not holding my breath.

None of us were ever "Anti Zach" we were just smart enough to see he didn't belong on the field yet....which apparently now is a acceptable opinion to have without infants having a spazz attack. 

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6 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said:

That's why the draft is often called an educated crapshoot.  You can do all the scouting, pre draft workouts etc but there are no guarantees.

No bigger crapshoot than QB, too.  The risk/reward of hitting a rookie QB like Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, etc. is massive vs. paying $25+ million for Garappolo or Derek Carr...

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1 minute ago, peekskill68 said:

No bigger crapshoot than QB, too.  The risk/reward of hitting a rookie QB like Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, etc. is massive vs. paying $25+ million for Garappolo or Derek Carr...

Those guys probably get $35+ million this offseason.

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