undertow Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Yes yes It all went wrong when we benched the worst NFL QB bust in history....that was the problem. lol l 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Skeet Ulrich Posted January 9 Popular Post Share Posted January 9 Team went 2-8 after Hall got hurt. This is no coincidence. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Right after we won Super Bowl III 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 I didn't read the whole thing but once Zack lost his star RB he simply regressed badly. Breece was the glue holding Zack together. Zack needs numerous superstars around him since he can't carry the weight. Bottom line; Zack himself knows he's inadequate. Zack folded. Enough OP? 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 7 minutes ago, Skeet Ulrich said: Team went 2-8 after Hall got hurt. This is no coincidence. This is the correct answer. Although the punt return against NE was a pretty big turning point also. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Winning with historically bad QB play was never sustainable. The defence also got figured out and exposed late in the season as teams zoned in on the weaknesses of the front 7. We weren't as good as the 6-3 record suggested. Got extremely fortunate with the run of QB's that we played and had an actual miracle play out vs Cleveland. The offensive line fell apart, somewhat expectedly in some areas and I think the coaching staff is still extremely poor at managing games. Another horrific example of that today but it was even more apparent in the Detroit and Buffalo losses. I wouldn't say there's any point in the season where you can trace it going downhill. Obviously losing Hall and AVT hurt but all teams get big injuries over a season. The issues were of our own making even going back to Mac - Mosley's contract, Passing on Wirfs, Failing the tank, Zach busting, Moses being allowed to walk etc. - Those chickens came home to roost. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandy Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Mike Maccagnan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGDIRK Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 As IJ mentioned - winning with bad QB play wasn’t sustainable. Combine that with injuries to the OL and star RB. It’s the imperfect storm. If we don’t recover that onsides kick were a 6 win team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexVanDyke Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 I’m in the Namath/Satan trade. Would love for goodell to announce it. There has been a trade. Satan trades perpetual sucking and Rich Cimini to the Jets for the soul of Joe Namath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 The roughing penalty against NE. In hindsight the entire season changed right there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extmenace Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 The offense failed when breece and avt went down. As soon as the running game couldn’t carry the offense, the offense fell off a cliff and badly exposed our QBs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Speez Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Injuries became insurmountable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 hours ago, AlexVanDyke said: Did saleh make the wrong move going to Mike white? Was it a point of no return? Was it when white got Injured? Was it the Detroit 4th down? The jax fiasco? part of me thinks all realistic hopes for this team ended in Denver; we just didn’t know it. Hard to lose our two best offensive players. That really was devastating The season ended when Hall and AVT went down. They are the 2 best offensive players on the Jets team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y2k8 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, RutgersJetFan said: The roughing penalty against NE. In hindsight the entire season changed right there. This is the correct answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 hours ago, TBJ said: With the 2nd pick of the draft... Quoted for truth There's nothing Saleh or MLF did as coaches that affected the team more than JDs Zach pick. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FactsOnly Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 benching Zach Wilson after the Pats game ASININE MOVE reflected by LOSING OUT with WORSE QB PLAY from old cans 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 hours ago, Flea Flicking Frank said: The coaching staff and the players trying to blame 100% of all problems on ZW. When things went bad and he wasn't in, they had nothing left to fall back on. It was a terrible display of leadership and coaching by the staff No one, even remotely, laid 100% of this at Wilson's feet. He is bad, and there is no denying it. However, there is plenty of blame to go around. Mostly on offense. That said, great defenses create turnovers. Huge deficiency in that regard. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireJet Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 When JD selected Wilson. Once injuries piled up, QB went into a shell. Brutal miss at #2. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 I know no one wants to hear this but with a decent offensive line and (AVT) and Hall, Wilson didn't look that bad. Once Hall and AVT got hurt, Wilson was not up to the task of leading this team and MLF got exposed big time. I mean we forget Wilson didn't look this bad when he came back from injury last year. Why did he regress so badly? I have to really look at the CS. I have never seen a OC refuse to design an offense to benefit or play to the talents of his top drafted quarterback. No Jet sweeps, no designed roll outs, no go routes to keep defenses honest and see if you can get any PI calls. In retrospect, I ultimately blame injuries to the OL, Hall and MLF horrific playcalling and game plans. No way Wilson is this bad with adequate coaching. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalcott Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 4 hours ago, Zachtomims47 said: When Breece and AVT got hurt essentially. But then it was on Zach. Then the coaches. This ☝🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Saleh needs to understand that the "keeping of receipts" is a two way street As far as JD is concerned.... Whiffing on a high first round QB is a thing that can happen to anyone but he does need to fix the offensive line and he has not done that so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverweightJetsFan Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 I think when White got hurt that really ended the season. They should have started Flacco vs Detroit and Jacksonville. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Rico Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 15 minutes ago, JetBlue said: I know no one wants to hear this but with a decent offensive line and (AVT) and Hall, Wilson didn't look that bad This seems to be the narrative gaining the most traction. Let's keep in mind, Breece Hall's biggest gains were on busted plays that were called by MLF. I believe the best thing to do preparing for next season is (assuming Hall and AVT are the same players post-operation) is to draft more linemen and a big bruiser back like Cory Dillon. That 1, 2 punch would eat up clock and as long as our defense remains capable of keeping opponents under 19 ppg, this would be a much improved team. But I don't see the Jets doing that. MLF is coming back with his play book. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlito1171 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 4 hours ago, AlexVanDyke said: part of me thinks all realistic hopes for this team ended in Denver; we just didn’t know it. This is the answer......Breece and AVT did a lot to hide the shortcomings of the offense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 After injuries the Oline and the demise of the running game. Even after Breece injured you’d think better production the numbers dismal in recent weeks. With good running game Zach able to manage offense and win games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FactsOnly Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, hawk said: No one, even remotely, laid 100% of this at Wilson's feet. He is bad, and there is no denying it. However, there is plenty of blame to go around. Mostly on offense. That said, great defenses create turnovers. Huge deficiency in that regard. Everyone, actually EVERYONE laid 100% of this at Wilson’s feet clowns said Wilson was holding that team back 😂😂🤣🤣🤣 Meanwhile he was the best QB on the roster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Breece and AVT being injured was the beginning of the end. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 We all knew the season was over the moment Hall was on the ground. Even Saleh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnysd Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 6 hours ago, AlexVanDyke said: Did saleh make the wrong move going to Mike white? Was it a point of no return? Was it when white got Injured? Was it the Detroit 4th down? The jax fiasco? part of me thinks all realistic hopes for this team ended in Denver; we just didn’t know it. Hard to lose our two best offensive players. That really was devastating Season ended when we benched Zach. We may have still missed with Zach, but benching him right before he plays the worst team in the NFL after a decent performance against the Bills was idiotic. It is obvious now that LaFleur is a huge part of the problem/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hael Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 If we are being honest. That meaningless game against the Rams in 2020… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 8 hours ago, hawk said: No one, even remotely, laid 100% of this at Wilson's feet. He is bad, and there is no denying it. However, there is plenty of blame to go around. Mostly on offense. That said, great defenses create turnovers. Huge deficiency in that regard. Yeah, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 11 hours ago, Irish Jet said: Winning with historically bad QB play was never sustainable. The defence also got figured out and exposed late in the season as teams zoned in on the weaknesses of the front 7. We weren't as good as the 6-3 record suggested. Got extremely fortunate with the run of QB's that we played and had an actual miracle play out vs Cleveland. The offensive line fell apart, somewhat expectedly in some areas and I think the coaching staff is still extremely poor at managing games. Another horrific example of that today but it was even more apparent in the Detroit and Buffalo losses. I wouldn't say there's any point in the season where you can trace it going downhill. Obviously losing Hall and AVT hurt but all teams get big injuries over a season. The issues were of our own making even going back to Mac - Mosley's contract, Passing on Wirfs, Failing the tank, Zach busting, Moses being allowed to walk etc. - Those chickens came home to roost. This. We should never have been 7-4. Qb play + injuries led to this. Clearly there’s more talent here than in the past 10 yrs. The problem once again is qb play and coaching. This is the first time it’s a legitimate discussion of whether bringing in a veteran qb can get them to the playoffs. As if we needed more evidence of a systemic failure, the jets haven’t scored a td in 3 games. That ruined saleh’s entire platform this year that wilson was the root of the problems. Watching the jets yesterday continue to waste plays running when they had a backup OL and the only way they were going to score a td was in the air was yet another indictment of the OC. Even in the red zone they never took a shot. You want to know why the jets don’t score tds - when they get in the red zone they never attack the end zone. My rule of thumb is, the ball should cross the goal line at least once each time you get in the red zone. Attack, attack. Sure we may get a new OC. But it will take a real leader at qb who isn’t intimidated by NE or BB to get this team over the hump. Every time we play them we piss in our pants. They need a qb with the mentality of garrett wilson to elevate the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 13 hours ago, AlexVanDyke said: Did saleh make the wrong move going to Mike white? Was it a point of no return? Was it when white got Injured? Was it the Detroit 4th down? The jax fiasco? part of me thinks all realistic hopes for this team ended in Denver; we just didn’t know it. Hard to lose our two best offensive players. That really was devastating Winning 2 of our final 3 games in 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 13 hours ago, AlexVanDyke said: Did saleh make the wrong move going to Mike white? Was it a point of no return? Was it when white got Injured? Was it the Detroit 4th down? The jax fiasco? part of me thinks all realistic hopes for this team ended in Denver; we just didn’t know it. Hard to lose our two best offensive players. That really was devastating it went downhill when we won 2 years ago and lost out on drafting trevor lawrence. this made joe douglas convince himself zach wilson was going to be the guy mostly off one throw in shorts against air Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 It started in Training Camp when Zach got hurt and Saleh decided to start the season off with Joe Flacco INSTEAD of Mike White at QB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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