Rhg1084 Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 23 minutes ago, Warfish said: You don't pay for past performance. You pay fur future performance. Will he earn it in 2023, 2024 and 2025 and beyond? I mean he’s only 25 years old. You’d think he hasn’t even hit his prime yet TBH for a DT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 33 minutes ago, Duckman said: 1) It's rare when a player has the hammer in terms of negotiating leverage. Though I'm not thrilled that this had to be communicated publicly the day after the season ended, Q has all of the leverage on this and is deserving of a large contract. 2) I used to like Rich Cimini's work once upon a time but it seems like all he's interested in these days is stirring up trouble whenever he gets a chance. I believe he had the initial question to Quinnen on this topic and is cranking the tweets on this subject. So you’re upset with Cimini for doing his job, and QW speaking out about his didn’t thrill you. I doubt you’re this delicate in your daily life, why are you that way with your football team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 hours ago, Jimmy 2 Times said: Q is my current favorite player, but if Adams got two number 1’s what kind of a haul could he bring in? Id explore the trade maybe to Chicago for the number 1 pick or for Fields? Jimmy Jimmy… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FactsOnly Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 hours ago, playtowinthegame said: Quinnen looking for this man's kind of money. HARD pass this would be a TERRIBLE signing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 I think the Jets should offer him around $23mm/year, going up $2mm, year, with the first two years guaranteed. Maybe 2.5 years. That $23mm should have incentives. If Quinnen does not like it we can franchise him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shevys Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 hours ago, Untouchable said: That fat bitch Douglas better not play any games. He deserves a longterm deal If they didn't know it before the Detroit game they sure as sh*t figured it out after. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 hours ago, Beerfish said: Player A: 12 sacks, 55 combined tackles, 12 TFL (4 year period for sacks 27.5) Player B: 12 sacks, 63 combined tackles, 11 TFL (4 year period for sacks 33.5) Player A: Pay this player what he wants! Player B: Pay this player what he wants! Wilkerson and QW? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Well, he's the best DT in the NFL. Yeah I said it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 It should be noted that extensions can and do happen mid season for many teams the browns just re-upped Jack Conklin for example the Jets not paying Quinnen before the season or during the season is a sign they won't be paying him later they don't really pay anyone homegrown. They'd rather piss it away on the Corey Davises of the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 10 minutes ago, bitonti said: It should be noted that extensions can and do happen mid season for many teams the browns just re-upped Jack Conklin for example the Jets not paying Quinnen before the season or during the season is a sign they won't be paying him later they don't really pay anyone homegrown. They'd rather piss it away on the Corey Davises of the world Would you like to make a wager that they sign/extend him before the season starts? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 minutes ago, Dcat said: Would you like to make a wager that they sign/extend him before the season starts? hmmm tempting... why not? 100 to the charity of the winner's choice? I suspect they make him play out his 5th year option Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 minute ago, bitonti said: hmmm tempting... why not? 100 to the charity of the winner's choice? I suspect they make him play out his 5th year option Isnt 2023 year the 5th yr option? or is it year 4? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 hours ago, playtowinthegame said: Oh yeah Joe Douglas is licking his chops to liquidate another Mac draft pick. Surely the runner up for DPOY can fetch more than Jamal Adams. that actually might be the play. we need to fix the offense. it is woefully bad. like 4th worst points scored in the league bad. williams is good, but a super expensive interior pass rusher might be a luxury for this team. he is worth A LOT!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 19 minutes ago, bitonti said: they don't really pay anyone homegrown. That’s because this is the first dude they’ve grown in like 47 years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Just now, Dcat said: Isnt 2023 year the 5th yr option? or is it year 4? 2023 upcoming is his 5th year option. They have picked it up last April, make him play for 12 mil and unless QW holds out he doesn't really have any recourse. I mean it sucks for QW but is he really going to hold out for the difference between 12 per and 21 per? He might. But 12 is still pretty good money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 minutes ago, bitonti said: hmmm tempting... why not? 100 to the charity of the winner's choice? I suspect they make him play out his 5th year option He's entering the 5th year option in '23. He gets $9.5 MM salary. I can see the Jets extending him with a nice signing bonus. The cap hit would be less than the full 5th year option. Yeah, I'll make that bet. Quinnen gets extended/signed before the start of the season probably for a cap hit less than the 5th year option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 minute ago, bitonti said: 2023 upcoming is his 5th year option. They have picked it up last April, make him play for 12 mil and unless QW holds out he doesn't really have any recourse. I mean it sucks for QW but is he really going to hold out for the difference between 12 per and 21 per? He might. But 12 is still pretty good money the Jets can benefit by extending him with a nice signing bonus and end up with a lower cap hit and a stud on our DL for the next 4-5 years. It's the smart thing to do. (which means you likely win the bet) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, Dcat said: It's the smart thing to do. (which means you likely win the bet) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jimmy 2 Times Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 59 minutes ago, Green Ghost said: Jimmy Jimmy… You wouldn't take Fields for Q or even Stroud? I would. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Quinnen‘s fifth year option is a very reasonable $12mm because he never made the Pro Bowl prior to this year. It would have been much more had he done so. Quinnen is a tough one because his performance was lackluster prior to this season. What do you do with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jet Life Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 hours ago, Warfish said: You don't pay for past performance. You pay fur future performance. Will he earn it in 2023, 2024 and 2025 and beyond? He’s young and in his prime so I’d hope so, but don’t have my crystal ball lol. Hopefully doesn’t bite us in the ass like it has many times in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Pay the man he’s our best draft pick since Revis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alka Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 5 hours ago, Rhg1084 said: This is such an easy decision. Pay the man!!!! He deserves every penny he can get. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 hours ago, Jimmy 2 Times said: You wouldn't take Fields for Q or even Stroud? I would. Yeah,after I left that quote I realized it could’ve been interpreted all kinds of ways. I actually found it intriguing. I don’t think he’d want Fields though, if he did, he would have drafted him. Stroud might be intriguing though (he would be to me) I don’t know how they do this, but we probably have to add another #1 and at least a 2, maybe more. I’d be very interested though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Q is awesome and our defense isn't the nearly the same when he's not on the field. He deserves every dollar that he gets paid. I still remember how absolutely dominating he was in that 2nd Buffalo game. This team has no luck, though, so of course he got hurt. Would've loved to see what would've happened had he stayed healthy that day. To me, it's one of the big "what if's" of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkus Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 7 hours ago, Warfish said: Lol, that was fast. Can't blame him really. He has all the leverage right now, in a way he may never have again. Whomever pays him will wonder if they're gonna get the 2022 QW (worth it) or the pre-2022 QW (not worth it). Don’t know about him having ALL the leverage right now. He is under contract for next year and then can be franchised the next 1-2yrs after that, if jets want. He will have more leverage after next season because then the jets will have either sign him, tag him, or let him walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreened Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 4 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Wilkerson and QW? I knew someone was going to do this. Yeah let’s not pay Quinnen or any DTs because Mo Wilkerson didn’t pan out years ago. Such stupid stupid take. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballLove Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 With Sauce and DJ Reed roaming the backfield, the need for an overly dominant Dline lessens. Yes, it's great to have both a Dline that pressures the QB into making quick throws AND a lockdown secondary. Most teams feel fortunate to have just one of these. But we all saw how good Saleh's defense works when Quinnen was out, so ya, I'm in big time favor of paying the man. We'll have the same issues with Becton, Garrett, Sauce, and Breece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted January 10 Author Share Posted January 10 31 minutes ago, FootballLove said: With Sauce and DJ Reed roaming the backfield, the need for an overly dominant Dline lessens. Yes, it's great to have both a Dline that pressures the QB into making quick throws AND a lockdown secondary. Most teams feel fortunate to have just one of these. But we all saw how good Saleh's defense works when Quinnen was out, so ya, I'm in big time favor of paying the man. We'll have the same issues with Becton, Garrett, Sauce, and Breece. Issues being what? That they’re actually good and deserve to be paid? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 34 minutes ago, FootballLove said: With Sauce and DJ Reed roaming the backfield, the need for an overly dominant Dline lessens. Yes, it's great to have both a Dline that pressures the QB into making quick throws AND a lockdown secondary. Most teams feel fortunate to have just one of these. But we all saw how good Saleh's defense works when Quinnen was out, so ya, I'm in big time favor of paying the man. We'll have the same issues with Becton, Garrett, Sauce, and Breece. And Derek Carr. (Ugh!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausman Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Among all the stupid and self serving things the NFL does, the worst might be the cap and non-guaranteed contracts. Antitrust bs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 9 hours ago, Rhg1084 said: I mean, not everything right off the field. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28847651/jets-dt-quinnen-williams-arrested-trying-board-plane-gun 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecuadorian Jet Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 9 hours ago, Rhg1084 said: one day after the end of the season, after the whole defensive unit started flat for like 2 months in the 1st half, and he is already threatening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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