Biggs Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 JD has traded talented players for draft capital. Now we have a player that's in his absolute prime, drafted by the Jets, not by Douglas, who has become one of the best players in the NFL. The other quality drafted players are watching this one. This is a big deal for Q and Joe D. A message will be sent to the other talented young players by how this plays out. I expect both Garret Wilson and Sauce to threaten a job action if they continue to outperform their slotted contracts to the degree they both did this year. If Q isn't rewarded I could see this having big implications for the draft picks that Joe D actually hit on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 9 hours ago, Smashmouth said: and you goons applaud this crap ? Was this really the time to be posting sh*t like this before negotiations even started ? I linked to the presser in this thread and would recommend watching. The questions being asked and tone of his response don't come across in a quote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 22 hours ago, Rhg1084 said: His market value has been set. He should slot in behind Donald and ahead of everyone else. That is somewhere between and Average Annual Value of $22 to 31 million. I am thinking it will end up around $27 million AAV. With Q just turning 25 in December and in view of the ever increasing cap (expected to go up $20 million this year alone), now is the time to sign him to his second deal. It will look like an absolute bargain 3 years from now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 3 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: I linked to the presser in this thread and would recommend watching. The questions being asked and tone of his response don't come across in a quote. agreed. Q was very positive and clearly plans on staying a Jet so long as they pay him his value, which I think they intend to do. Expect a contract in the neighborhood of an AAV of $27 million. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 13 hours ago, Coquito said: Revis all over again, watch. Revis didn't wait for his contract year to start renegiotating. He held out before signing his rookie deal and held out before his 4th year while under his rookie contract. Q is nothing like Revis. I could see both Sauce and Garret Wilson holding out if they continue to outperform their rookie slotted deals. Particularly if the Jets don't pay Q. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Crusher Posted January 10 Popular Post Share Posted January 10 11 hours ago, Smashmouth said: and you goons applaud this crap ? Was this really the time to be posting sh*t like this before negotiations even started ? It’s his job. He was actually asked a questioned that he answered honestly. Why wouldn’t he want to be compensated for what he does and is? We all do. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted January 10 Author Share Posted January 10 13 hours ago, Coquito said: Revis all over again, watch. Based on what exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Rico Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Just now, Rhg1084 said: Based on what exactly? Based on Jets. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 9 minutes ago, The Crusher said: It’s his job. He was actually asked a questioned that he answered honestly. Why wouldn’t he want to be compensated for what he does and is. We all do. I guarantee that most of the people who had negative reactions did not watch the actual Q and A with Q. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotrodcharlie Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Pay the man, dont be stupid for once Jets 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 37 minutes ago, peebag said: No QB, No #1 WR, maybe no #1 RB, inept OLine We have a lot of pressing needs on the other side of the ball. We don’t have a #1 WR or a #1 RB? I’ll bet the house we don’t draft a #1 type WR or RB high. We need OL, IDL and S help before WR or RB IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 29 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: We don’t have a #1 WR or a #1 RB? I’ll bet the house we don’t draft a #1 type WR or RB high. We need OL, IDL and S help before WR or RB IMO There's no break away threat on the WR corp, we don't know how Breece Hall's rehab will go and the Oline is a disaster. Also there's the issues you pointed out. I want QW back as much as anyone. I just don't want to hamstring the rest of the team with an inordinate amount of money dumped on one position that only plays 60% of the snaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, Coquito said: Based on Jets. Fair. Oh so fair. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 19 minutes ago, peebag said: There's no break away threat on the WR corp, we don't know how Breece Hall's rehab will go and the Oline is a disaster. Also there's the issues you pointed out. I want QW back as much as anyone. I just don't want to hamstring the rest of the team with an inordinate amount of money dumped on one position that only plays 60% of the snaps. You don’t think Garret Wilson is a break away threat? We do need a 2 who runs better routes and gets separation. And who doesn’t want to take his ball and go home if he doesn’t get targets he thinks he’s entitled too Im hoping Beeeces rehab goes as well as other backs but I get the concern. Thing is if it’s a problem no one will know until after the season and I don’t see wasting a high enough pick to replace him this year when there are other more pressing needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 2 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said: I linked to the presser in this thread and would recommend watching. The questions being asked and tone of his response don't come across in a quote. Yeah the heading of this thread and what reporters wrote are very misleading I should have known better 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 2 hours ago, The Crusher said: It’s his job. He was actually asked a questioned that he answered honestly. Why wouldn’t he want to be compensated for what he does and is? We all do. I know Crush I just didn't like the heading of this thread like I explained above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Q is getting dealt Joe Douglas' MO Develop and then trade. The Leonard Williams scenario. Might be a different story if JD had drafted him. But this was Small Mac's pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Its all about the guaranteed money Maybe Q signs for 5 years 100 mil 60 guaranteed ? Honestly if I were Q I would sign a 4 year deal because then he can get another good payday at 29 which sounds better than 30 or 31. 4 year 90 mil 55 guaranteed ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 5 minutes ago, Smashmouth said: I know Crush I just didn't like the heading of this thread like I explained above That’s fair. Love you Smash. Go sign up for mafia or I will come to Texas and eat all the steak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbt Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 2 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said: Q is getting dealt Joe Douglas' MO Develop and then trade. The Leonard Williams scenario. Might be a different story if JD had drafted him. But this was Small Mac's pick. Leonard Williams is not even close to what Q has been. They are going to pay him, without him the Dline is just not that good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 minute ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said: Q is getting dealt Joe Douglas' MO Develop and then trade. The Leonard Williams scenario. Might be a different story if JD had drafted him. But this was Small Mac's pick. Q is ten times the player Williams is and it would be stupid to trade what amounts to the anchor of your defense that's based on creating pressure with 4 guys up front. Not only does Q create pressure on his own but he also occupies numerous blockers. Obviously this can all change if Q wants some insane contract in which case the franchise tag could come into play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 2 minutes ago, The Crusher said: That’s fair. Love you Smash. Go sign up for mafia or I will come to Texas and eat all the steak. But I love my steak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 On 1/9/2023 at 11:33 AM, derp said: It's a little tough because there's such a wide range, but he likely should be the second highest paid iDL in the league. He's signed next year so I don't get the tag talk. They could tag him the following year if they don't come to an agreement, but this feels like an easy one to just pay him. Guessing a middle ground is somewhere between 4-5 years and $23-27M/year. Hopefully they can get something done on the lower end of the AAV range. Would be cool if they can get his brother back too. Yeah I think we were all figuring the $25MM range a few months back. I don't know that Quincy is such a great player - he's certainly not on big-Q's level of unique stud - but I admittedly have a soft spot for the anti-lazy type whose motor never stops, who goes all-out on every play, even if sometimes that means he over-pursues the wrong way. So yeah I want him back, but the problem is it's less clear what his value truly is. Is he likely to just get a $5-6MM/year deal if he hits FA, which I'd be fine with (as a fan), or will one team be willing to get him closer to - or exceed - that $10MM line (which he's not worth, soft spot for him or not)? I think this is where the players' lower PFF grades helps GMs in negotiations. Plus if they ink his mega-expensive brother the Jets will have a personal draw for him to want to re-sign here: offering something no other team can possibly match even if they beat JD's top offer. I don't know how much $ that's worth to him, but it won't be zero. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 minute ago, Smashmouth said: But I love my steak I know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 On 1/9/2023 at 11:34 AM, Rhg1084 said: he wants to be here pay him Well that might also be true, mostly he's saying he wants to play for more a lot more than $10MM next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 20 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: Yeah I think we were all figuring the $25MM range a few months back. I don't know that Quincy is such a great player - he's certainly not on big-Q's level of unique stud - but I admittedly have a soft spot for the anti-lazy type whose motor never stops, who goes all-out on every play, even if sometimes that means he over-pursues the wrong way. So yeah I want him back, but the problem is it's less clear what his value truly is. Is he likely to just get a $5-6MM/year deal if he hits FA, which I'd be fine with (as a fan), or will one team be willing to get him closer to - or exceed - that $10MM line (which he's not worth, soft spot for him or not)? I think this is where the players' lower PFF grades helps GMs in negotiations. Plus if they ink his mega-expensive brother the Jets will have a personal draw for him to want to re-sign here: offering something no other team can possibly match even if they beat JD's top offer. I don't know how much $ that's worth to him, but it won't be zero. Yeah I kind of wonder if a package deal to get them to stay here and play together makes each individually a little more affordable. It'd be interesting to see how, if at all, that impacts negotiations for those guys. The off ball linebacker market, if I remember right, was pretty soft last year. I know you're on top of your stuff so I went and looked. Non pass rushing linebackers were led by Foyesade Oluokun at $15M AAV but that was Jacksonville who just went absolutely bananas and he had almost 200 tackles the year before he hit FA. Then Bobby Wagner got $10M AAV from an all in Rams team and he's been a highly regarded player for a long time. Then I think it's Myles Jack at $8M AAV followed by Jordan Hicks at $5M AAV. This year's got some names - Lavonte David, Roquan Smith (edit: goodness he just got paid), Tremaine Edmonds - those guys are projected $10Mish up by spotrac. But then aside from Germaine Pratt everybody else who's got a market value is $5M and below. I just don't think there's much demand on the market for off ball linebackers right now. I wonder if years at a lower AAV to get security and play with his brother would get something done. There's always the awkward situation you let him test the market and come back but I just don't think the market will bear out paying him all that much money - though like you said I like him, would like to see him stay, and it'd be cool to get him to play with his brother. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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