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[Jerichoholic]

I'm not excited about a Jimmy g, or D Carr free agent contract situation. Nor would I be pumped by a Bryce Young, CJ Stroud, Will Levis pick that costs a ton of draft capital. I'm actively afraid of Lamar Jackson deal that puts us in the same situation as Denver with Russ. I don't want to gut the whole team or mortgage the future just to rebuild the QB room.
 
What does get me excited is a Jordan Love/Zack Wilson swap scenario.
 
What would you throw in to make this move? Becton? Moore? Mims? Picks?
 
It's a situation that could make sense for both teams. Pack gets some value for Love, without having to blindly commit to moving on from Rodgers after next season. Zack gets change of scenery/chance to sit and learn under Rodgers for two years before Pack have to make a long term commitment post Rodgers.
 
I could see rodgers, sticking around for a couple years in that kinda late Kobe/Jordan "emeritus" role - rehab Zack (like your very own little Steve young), cash in on the Christian Watson connection while he's still young and springy and ride out the Bhaktiari, Aaron Jones, AJ Dillon window.
 
We roll into training camp with Jordan Love, MFW, a developmental/system/second day pick draftee (I like Hendon Hooker) and the Strev.
 
Open camp competition. And the ability to move on from all of them by 2025 unless Love signs an extension after his first year.
 
No Zack Wilson.
Mike White is a well compensated back-up.
And two "youngish" high-upside guys who've been learning this system.
 
Win - win - win
 
 
 
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[Jet Nut]

Why would GB trade Love?  Rodgers doesn’t know if he’s retiring, demanding a trade or playing one more year and they’d trade their backup?  

[Jerichoholic]

Why would GB trade Love?  Rodgers doesn’t know if he’s retiring, demanding a trade or playing one more year and they’d trade their backup?  

Because his fifth year option is coming up and the packers can't keep him and Rodgers. Rodgers contract is fully guaranteed and he has a no trade clause.

Can't keep 'em both, can't move Rodgers without a massive dead money hit.


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[JetsFanatic]

I’m not crazy about Love. This team needs a proven competent QB. Carr or Garoppolo are just that.

[Charlie Brown]

1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

Why would GB trade Love?  Rodgers doesn’t know if he’s retiring, demanding a trade or playing one more year and they’d trade their backup?  

FF has ruined some people’s understanding of real life football.

[Jerichoholic]

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Jordan Love will request trade in 2023, Packers insider believes


December 13, 2022

No love lost? Well, maybe just a bit.

Jordan Love has patiently waited his turn to be the Green Bay Packers' starting quarterback, but as the team leans toward Aaron Rodgers being their chosen signal caller, it may be time that Love forces Green Bay’s hand.

One Green Bay inside reporter believes that Love will demand a trade from the Packers if he's not the starting QB next season.

“I had a really great conversation with Jordan [Love] on Friday afternoon,” Packers reporter Jason Wilde said. “I think he very clearly, even though he wouldn’t flat-out say it, he does not want to sit for another year. So, if we get to year four, and Rodgers does come back, I am fairly confident that he will seek a trade.”


Wilde said he left the conversation confident that Love will request a trade.

It's not the first time that a Packers season has been riddled with quarterback drama, and Love has been there to see it all. The 24-year-old backup quarterback has been on the Packers' bench since he was drafted in the first round of the 2020 NFL Draft and it's rare to see a first-round quarterback sitting for over three seasons. He may be ready to move on if he doesn’t get the starting nod sooner than later.

But seeing how much money Aaron Rodgers could make if he keeps playing in the NFL, it’s hard to see him decide to step away from the Packers.

Rodgers has three years left on a mega four-year deal that he signed in March, which means it's highly unlikely that he walks away from the team. Most believe that he will return for the Packers come next season.

Since entering the league, Love has played extremely limited snaps in his career. He's thrown 80 passes for 597 yards and scored three touchdowns and three interceptions. But he has proven his capabilities during Rodgers’ absence this season.

The Packers are currently 5-8, and the team’s postseason chances are looking very low. So chances are, the 2023 offseason will be an interesting one in Green Bay.

Love may not be the only that sees his worth with some fans on social media also believing he's the future of the Packers.






The Packers have not had much to worry about in the quarterbacks since 1992 when the team traded for Brett Favre after his rookie season with the Atlanta Falcons. But now, the future could be rocky if they decide to let Love go.

The Packers general manager Brian Gutekunst revealed that the Packers want Love to remain on a fifth-year option, praising him for his development during his time in Green Bay.

“We’re really pleased with his progression, and what he’s been able to do,” Gutekunst said about Love. “I think it would be really good for him, the growth that you need to go through. Seeing things for the first time. Making the mistakes that you need to make. But I think from our end of it, we’ve seen what we need to see.”

But will that be enough to keep Love around? We'll just have to wait and see

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[Jerichoholic]

FF has ruined some people’s understanding of real life football.

Fantasy is thinking that the packers can carry his 5th year option with Rodgers under a fully guaranteed contract for 3 more years and a no trade clause.


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[CrazyCarl40]

29 minutes ago, JetsFanatic said:

I’m not crazy about Love. This team needs a proven competent QB. Carr or Garoppolo are just that.

Proven and competent? Carr and Jimmy G don’t jump to mind when using those superlatives. 

[Gastineau Lives]

Anyone have any evidence that Jordan Love is good?

 

[Jerichoholic]

Anyone have any evidence that Jordan Love is good?
 

Watch his limited snaps against Philly this year. He's got three years of getting schooled by Rodgers and LaFleur in the same system we run.

I'd prefer a stable of prospects this year that can compete rather than pinning all of our hopes on one person and then having to start over and over and over again.




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[Barry McCockinner]

1 hour ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

Proven and competent? Carr and Jimmy G don’t jump to mind when using those superlatives. 

Uh, Ok?

[Trotter]

39 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said:

Anyone have any evidence that Jordan Love is good?

 

You are asking a logical question.

typically does not go well.

for what it is worth, I was wondering the same

[Jerichoholic]

You are asking a logical question.
typically does not go well.
for what it is worth, I was wondering the same

Here's the sample size.


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[SickJetFan]

5 hours ago, Jerichoholic said:

I'm not excited about a Jimmy g, or D Carr free agent contract situation. Nor would I be pumped by a Bryce Young, CJ Stroud, Will Levis pick that costs a ton of draft capital. I'm actively afraid of Lamar Jackson deal that puts us in the same situation as Denver with Russ. I don't want to gut the whole team or mortgage the future just to rebuild the QB room.
 
What does get me excited is a Jordan Love/Zack Wilson swap scenario.
 
What would you throw in to make this move? Becton? Moore? Mims? Picks?
 
It's a situation that could make sense for both teams. Pack gets some value for Love, without having to blindly commit to moving on from Rodgers after next season. Zack gets change of scenery/chance to sit and learn under Rodgers for two years before Pack have to make a long term commitment post Rodgers.
 
I could see rodgers, sticking around for a couple years in that kinda late Kobe/Jordan "emeritus" role - rehab Zack (like your very own little Steve young), cash in on the Christian Watson connection while he's still young and springy and ride out the Bhaktiari, Aaron Jones, AJ Dillon window.
 
We roll into training camp with Jordan Love, MFW, a developmental/system/second day pick draftee (I like Hendon Hooker) and the Strev.
 
Open camp competition. And the ability to move on from all of them by 2025 unless Love signs an extension after his first year.
 
No Zack Wilson.
Mike White is a well compensated back-up.
And two "youngish" high-upside guys who've been learning this system.
 
Win - win - win
 
 
 
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I'd love for them to trade for Love but lets not get crazy.  I am not trading Becton.  Moore or Mims sure yes.  I doubt they want Zach but sure if you could.  I think they are going to want a 2nd and 5th to make the deal and I would do that.

but we do need at least 2 more QB for the room esp you trading Zach so I am drafting one like Tune, McKee, or Haener then signing a vet like  Brissett/White/Bridgewater,

[The Crusher]

1 hour ago, Gastineau Lives said:

Anyone have any evidence that Jordan Love is good?

 

Nothing! other than he doesn’t play for the Jets. 

[SickJetFan]

1 minute ago, The Crusher said:

Nothing! other than he doesn’t play for the Jets. 

I would 10x rather take chance on Love than I would Lamar...The Lamar talk is just dumb and if were to happen would be a complete disaster in the highest Jetsiest form.

[Trotter]

10 minutes ago, Jerichoholic said:

 

 

 

 

Here's the sample size.


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Can’t see the video but I know very little if anything about love.

im not even sure how much if any nfl experience he has had.

I would think if gb was high on him they would have moved on from rodgers a year or two ago, received a ransom similar to Seattle for Russ.

if he came for a low level pick, sure take a flyer but again I know very little about the guy

[Jerichoholic]

I'd love for them to trade for Love but lets not get crazy.  I am not trading Becton.  Moore or Mims sure yes.  I doubt they want Zach but sure if you could.  I think they are going to want a 2nd and 5th to make the deal and I would do that.
but we do need at least 2 more QB for the room esp you trading Zach so I am drafting one like Tune, McKee, or Haener then signing a vet like  Brissett/White/Bridgewater,

Jordan love's trade value has been estimated at a 2 and a 5 flat (which of course is the talking heads) but I'd think that a Zack and Moore trade should be close to getting it done maybe with a 5th thrown in.

Guteknust has said publicly that they'd like pick up his fifth year option, but they can't do it with Rodgers on the books.


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[Untouchable]

I’m sorry, but I don’t understand what anyone sees in Love.

It’s not even like he’s done anything in the pre-season or limited regular season action to knock anyones socks off.

Just because he’s a former late 1st round pick who has ridden the pine for 3 years doesn’t mean he’s any good.

This sh*t isn’t that complicated. If you add a guy like Carr or Garoppolo to this team and further solidify the OL, we should be in the playoffs next year.

[SickJetFan]

5 minutes ago, Jerichoholic said:

Jordan love's trade value has been estimated at a 2 and a 5 flat (which of course is the talking heads) but I'd think that a Zack and Moore trade should be close to getting it done maybe with a 5th thrown in.

Guteknust has said publicly that they'd like pick up his fifth year option, but they can't do it with Rodgers on the books.


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anything can happen but I think Rogers will play for them in 2023 and they will pick up the 5th year option on Love and then trade Love.  That is what I think will happen.

[SickJetFan]

1 minute ago, Untouchable said:

I’m sorry, but I don’t understand what anyone sees in Love.

It’s not even like he’s done anything in the pre-season or limited regular season action to knock anyones socks off.

Just because he’s a former late 1st round pick who has ridden the pine for 3 years doesn’t mean he’s any good.

This sh*t isn’t that complicated. If you add a guy like Carr or Garoppolo to this team and further solidify the OL, we should be in the playoffs next year.

I like his size, he has good arm, can run, he is not raw like a draft pick, has sat behind one of the best, and plays the same offense and almost same play design so there would very little transition for him.  Plus it only a 2nd and 5th and Jets dont draft well in 2nd usually anyway.

[Untouchable]

Just now, SickJetFan said:

I like his size, he has good arm, can run, he is not raw like a draft pick, has sat behind one of the best, and plays the same offense and almost same play design so there would very little transition for him.  Plus it only a 2nd and 5th and Jets dont draft well in 2nd usually anyway.

We’re 9 months removed from drafting a guy in the 2nd round who was running away with OROY before getting hurt.

Why are we giving up draft picks for a QB who is a total shot in the dark when we can bring in a proven veteran and use those picks to further boost the OL and defense?

I don’t get this one at all

[SickJetFan]

1 minute ago, Untouchable said:

We’re 9 months removed from drafting a guy in the 2nd round who was running away with OROY before getting hurt.

Why are we giving up draft picks for a QB who is a total shot in the dark when we can bring in a proven veteran and use those picks to further boost the OL and defense?

I don’t get this one at all

1 out of the last 15 tries in the 2nd round does not inspire me.  Plus I dont like any of the other FA has been QBs so best of 2 evils IMO.

[Jerichoholic]

I’m sorry, but I don’t understand what anyone sees in Love.
It’s not even like he’s done anything in the pre-season or limited regular season action to knock anyones socks off.
Just because he’s a former late 1st round pick who has ridden the pine for 3 years doesn’t mean he’s any good.
This sh*t isn’t that complicated. If you add a guy like Carr or Garoppolo to this team and further solidify the OL, we should be in the playoffs next year.

Watch the Philly game from this year. I'm not claiming he's a world beater, I think he's a low risk high reward way to turn the page on the Zack Wilson era without gutting the team or screwing our cap situation for years to come.

These quick fixes of jimmy g (who can't stay healthy) and Carr (whose won nothing) aren't long term solutions and will get outlandish contracts that will be difficult to get out from under if they suck. Love might not be the answer and if he isn't we can drop him quick with minimal consequences.

[SickJetFan]

5 minutes ago, Jerichoholic said:

Watch the Philly game from this year. I'm not claiming he's a world beater, I think he's a low risk high reward way to turn the page on the Zack Wilson era without gutting the team or screwing our cap situation for years to come.

These quick fixes of jimmy g (who can't stay healthy) and Carr (whose won nothing) aren't long term solutions and will get outlandish contracts that will be difficult to get out from under if they suck. Love might not be the answer and if he isn't we can drop him quick with minimal consequences.

Plus is you look at those play designs in those clips with Eagles and his pre season you will notice it almost identical to the plays MLF is calling esp the corner route to sideline he loves to call with Moore...anywho think little MLF is stealing his big brothers plays.

[Dcat]

22 minutes ago, Jerichoholic said:

Jordan love's trade value has been estimated at a 2 and a 5 flat (which of course is the talking heads) but I'd think that a Zack and Moore trade should be close to getting it done maybe with a 5th thrown in.

Guteknust has said publicly that they'd like pick up his fifth year option, but they can't do it with Rodgers on the books.


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Moore probably can't stand Zach more than any other in the WR room.  Bundling the two of them together in a trade is actually very clever and ironic.

[Jerichoholic]

Moore probably can't stand Zach more than any other in the WR room.  Bundling the two of them together in a trade is actually very clever and ironic.

Thank you. The irony was not lost on me ...

But also, I can see Zack being willing to take two redshirt years to sit behind Rodgers and try to revive his career, and I can see Melijah being stoked about rodgers throwing him the ball for the next two years. Win-win.






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[Gastineau Lives]

1 hour ago, Jerichoholic said:

Watch his limited snaps against Philly this year. He's got three years of getting schooled by Rodgers and LaFleur in the same system we run.

I'd prefer a stable of prospects this year that can compete rather than pinning all of our hopes on one person and then having to start over and over and over again.




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He had 82 pass attempts in 2021 with Davante Adams. We tossing those  out the window?

[Warfish]

It's going to be an offseason of crazy idea threads here on the forums.

It's going to actually be an offseason of remarkably little actual change/moves.

 

[Untouchable]

2 minutes ago, Warfish said:

It's going to be an offseason of crazy idea threads here on the forums.

It's going to actually be an offseason of remarkably little actual change/moves.

 

Overall, I would agree.

The Jets aren’t going to go on some massive FA spending spree, trade a bunch of picks for some superstar or anything like that.

But a move at QB is most certainly coming.

If it’s for Jordan Love, then Woody royally sh*t the bed by not firing Douglas and Saleh directly into the sun.

[Stark]

43 minutes ago, SickJetFan said:

I like his size, he has good arm, can run, he is not raw like a draft pick, has sat behind one of the best, and plays the same offense and almost same play design so there would very little transition for him.  Plus it only a 2nd and 5th and Jets dont draft well in 2nd usually anyway.

JD 2nd rd picks haven't been bad

 

also sitting behind one of the best doesn't mean much, how many NE QB's can't play at all Jimmy G is the only one that remotely looks slightly above average, but he can't play a whole season.

 

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, SickJetFan said:

I would 10x rather take chance on Love than I would Lamar...The Lamar talk is just dumb and if were to happen would be a complete disaster in the highest Jetsiest form.

A guy who’s proven absolutely nothing vs the most dynamic offensive weapon in the game.  
 

[Warfish]

17 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

Overall, I would agree.

The Jets aren’t going to go on some massive FA spending spree, trade a bunch of picks for some superstar or anything like that.

But a move at QB is most certainly coming.

If it’s for Jordan Love, then Woody royally sh*t the bed by not firing Douglas and Saleh directly into the sun.

I agree, "a move" at QB is coming.

Don't be shocked when that move is letting Mike White go in FA, signing a functional equivalent of Mike White (maybe Heiniecke), and resigning Flacco, with the intention to start Zach Wilson in 2023.

I could be wrong, maybe they'll surprise me.  But I am sensing a massive fanbase butthurt by the end of this offseason at how little reality was in most of these "big QB ideas" being bandied about.

No Rodgers.  No Brady.  No Love.  No Carr.  Etc.

We'll just have to see.

[Jerichoholic]

Overall, I would agree.
The Jets aren’t going to go on some massive FA spending spree, trade a bunch of picks for some superstar or anything like that.
But a move at QB is most certainly coming.
If it’s for Jordan Love, then Woody royally sh*t the bed by not firing Douglas and Saleh directly into the sun.

Or Woody can choose to royally sh*t the bed by letting Q walk to save money, throw Kirk Cousins money at a guy who was the weak link on a team that made it to the superbowl in spite of him and then committed to moving on from him and has been IR'd 3 times in the last 5 seasons.

Or maybe throw Deshaun Watson money at a 31 year old who's been placed on ir more times than he's made to the playoffs and gotten two coaches fired and had two more give up him ... and screw up our ability to retain drafted talent for the next 3 years?

Or unload a bust and a malcontent, to roll the dice with mike white, a rookie and guy who's a bit of an unknown with high upside, experience in the offensive system and will only count 3.9 mill against the camp next year?
Pick your poison. I'm choosing door #3.


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[NYJCAP2]

Love has had time to develop with a stable organization, under a good coach, and behind a HoF player.

It would not surprise me if he steps right in to be their long term starter after Rodgers.

That being said the Jets need to following that same model, not blindly trust another teams process.

Go get a proven starter now, and eventually draft the right tooled high to mid rounder to develop.