Cimini's OC candidates

[Zachtomims47]

3 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

Yes. Carroll took the hit but it was really bevel who made the dumbest playcall in the history of football 

 

And this is the guy who is supposed to fix Zach Wilson.  The stupidity of this organization oh my God

 

 

Why do you keep talking about fixing Zach? Zach isn’t starting. That ship has sailed. It’s gonna be another guy brought in. 

[choon328]

Two under the radar candidates...

 

Brian Hartline Ohio State OC

This would make sense if they could pair him up with Stroud.

Joe Brady Buffalo Bills QB Coach

Really highly thought of Offensive mind who floundered under Rhule in Carolina but had major success with LSU and Burrow.

 

Both of these guys would need a senior offensive assistant to help them grow and learn under but both possess upside as offensive minds. 

[Rich Thornburgh]

1 minute ago, Zachtomims47 said:

Why do you keep talking about fixing Zach? Zach isn’t starting. That ship has sailed. It’s gonna be another guy brought in. 

Zach is starting next year.  Book it.

[Zachtomims47]

2 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

Zach is starting next year.  Book it.

[Warfish]

12 hours ago, Bronx said:

I am not moved by any of these names.

[JiF]

15 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

Kubiak - Zach will cause him to have another heart attack

Pep Hamilton - was horrible with the colts, is part of why they botched Luck

Moore - will get a HC job 

Reich - can get a HC job and wants nothing to do with Zach and Woody

Kingsbury - not coming here. Either goes back to college or the patriots

Shaw - can get a HC job 

Oh, cool, in that case, then probably shouldnt even try to hire one, ya feel me?

Or do you have the secret list w/ the guys who call the best plays?  

[Larz]

7 hours ago, Dunnie said:

You like Bevell ??? He failed with Trevor.

It’s relative to looking for older experienced candidates that will come here under a playoffs or goodbye situation

[WhartonJet]

8 hours ago, August said:

Let’s get the QB first then find the coach that will fit the QB instead of it being the other way around. 

This is what I hope is happening at 1 Jets Drive.  The QB they will target will be immensely important for the OC search.  Since we will be hiring an OC before we can sign a QB in free agency or trade for one, I really hope JD is thinking this through with the intention of the OC being the right fit for the QB they want.  

Example - the OC we would be targeting if we are planning on signing/trading for Derek Carr should be completely different than if we are planning on trading the farm for Lamar Jackson or even signing Jimmy G.

[playtowinthegame]

23 minutes ago, JiFields said:

Preferably not a bunch of miserable dweebs who sucked everywhere they went.  Personally, I'd prefer a former HC because this staff needs some senior leadership and Saleh needs someone who he can outsource the offense to and never have to think about it again.

Gary Kubiak

Frank Reich

Jim Caldwell

Kliff Kingsbury

David Shaw

if Saleh is intimidated by a former HC and wants to be a pusswah about it, I'd like at the staffs that will be dismantled:

Kellen Moore

Pep Hamilton 

Liam Coen

What I dont want is a positional coach or passing game coordinator being give a prove it shot.  Too late for that sh*t.

Thank you for taking the time to make a list. I'll forward it to @football guy. 

 

With that said...if you knew we could get Derek Carr and Greg Olson together as sort of a package deal, would you consider it? 

[Greensleeves]

Whatever OC they pick they need to be able to develop QBs - Zach and the new guys coming in. Sounds like MLF was more introverted and didn't connect well with the players - more of a behind the scenes guy. I think they need someone to connect with the players this time - a coach that you know who you are dealing with. It makes just as big a difference as the Xs and Os to a team.

[JiF]

4 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

Thank you for taking the time to make a list. I'll forward it to @football guy. 

 

With that said...if you knew we could get Derek Carr and Greg Olson together as sort of a package deal, would you consider it? 

Greg Olson sucks and Carr is the mush.  So no.  I want nothing to do w/ either. 

[heymangold]

Brady, Nagy or Brian Johnson I want.

johnson has connection with Minshew, who I think can be a capable starter here next year.

I’ve cooled on Carr being the next qb but the olson/carr combo wouldn’t upset me.

[WhartonJet]

31 minutes ago, choon328 said:

Two under the radar candidates...

 

Brian Hartline Ohio State OC

This would make sense if they could pair him up with Stroud.

Joe Brady Buffalo Bills QB Coach

Really highly thought of Offensive mind who floundered under Rhule in Carolina but had major success with LSU and Burrow.

 

Both of these guys would need a senior offensive assistant to help them grow and learn under but both possess upside as offensive minds. 

I like the idea of bringing Brady in.  The shine came off his rose after his time in Carolina, but he is still a young offensive savant.  Weakening a division rival is a bonus

[THE BARON]

Given this new info, I am now 100 % in with Olson and Carr.  I would actually like that.  

[56mehl56]

8 hours ago, August said:

Let’s get the QB first then find the coach that will fit the QB instead of it being the other way around. 

Timing of that can be detrimental. 

[#27TheDominator]

8 hours ago, BP said:

Saleh will never learn. It’s a buddy list mostly. @Integrity28 is correct, he’s dumbing down the list so nobody makes him look bad. I don’t even know if he has a plan in place or is just winging it. He’s only got one shot here and he better make it count.

 

Also, you had quite a breakfast. Getting interrogated by Deegan while you’re galking at Paul Hackett eating breakfast 

To be fair, Cimini compiled a buddy list.  Basically people with ties to Saleh and one with ties to the Carr dream.  We have not heard who they are interviewing yet.

[Corn]

Definitely not Nathaniel Hackett .

[playtowinthegame]

1 minute ago, JiFields said:

Greg Olson sucks and Carr is the mush.  So no.  I want nothing to do w/ either. 

 

Derek Carr would be the best quarterback the Jets have had since Ryan Fitzpatrick. He's basically like going after Kirk Cousins all over again. I hope we get him, because I don't believe he's washed. Reason I like getting Carr is we wouldn't have to give up any draft capital to get him, he's still a quality starter who could lead the Jets to the playoffs, and he seems like a good dude who would really take a younger quarterback under his wing. 

[Jet Nut]

40 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

I guess Woody doesn’t remember Hackett’s father stinking it up here

Which has what to do with being the OC to help A Rodgers win back to back MVP’s

[rbstern]

1 hour ago, FlightBoyz said:

Todd Monken is an interesting candidate. Has been solid as Georgia OC. 

 

Yep.  Has NFL experience.  A tough love OC: He doesn't coddle QBs. 

 

 

[Dcat]

38 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

Zach is starting next year.  Book it.

Doubt that.  Whatever vet they bring in will start.  He will cost more $$ than Zach and new OC will likely prefer a vet.  In any event, the chance of Zach winning in camp/preseason over a vet is nil.

[rldev]

Get on the phone with Monken!

[varjet]

I really don’t believe that the Jets hire bad people.  I think the Johnsons make people worse than they are.  
 

This feels like it is going in a very jetsy direction with the retreads.  I think Saleh had the right idea and vision, they just failed to execute.   MLF had a creative vision of what the offense should look like.  Now we are going to get recycled old news. 

[56mehl56]

1 hour ago, choon328 said:

Two under the radar candidates...

 

Brian Hartline Ohio State OC

This would make sense if they could pair him up with Stroud.

Joe Brady Buffalo Bills QB Coach

Really highly thought of Offensive mind who floundered under Rhule in Carolina but had major success with LSU and Burrow.

 

Both of these guys would need a senior offensive assistant to help them grow and learn under but both possess upside as offensive minds. 

I would take Joe Brady in a heartbeat. 

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

12 hours ago, GreenFish said:

Greg Olson plus Derek Carr is my top choice.

I'd rather have Kevin Burkhardt than Greg Olsen .

[JiF]

26 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

 

Derek Carr would be the best quarterback the Jets have had since Ryan Fitzpatrick. He's basically like going after Kirk Cousins all over again. I hope we get him, because I don't believe he's washed. Reason I like getting Carr is we wouldn't have to give up any draft capital to get him, he's still a quality starter who could lead the Jets to the playoffs, and he seems like a good dude who would really take a younger quarterback under his wing. 

Meh, being the best QB since Fitz isnt saying much.  I think Kirk is a better player and was a more appealing FA.  None the less, I cant argue any of this, he's an upgrade for sure but I really dont think he pushes the needle all that much, defense be damned, the guy is 63-79 in his career.  That's a lot of losing.  Maybe a fresh start w/ a new scenery works but for a team known for coming up short and disappointing when it matters most, Carr seems like marrying the Titanic w/ the Hindenburg. 

 

[Jets Things]

47 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Which has what to do with being the OC to help A Rodgers win back to back MVP’s

Hackett would call a draw on 3rd and 8 and Rodgers would audible out if it, like any non-idiot QB under a Hackett would. 

[playtowinthegame]

26 minutes ago, JiFields said:

Meh, being the best QB since Fitz isnt saying much.  I think Kirk is a better player and was a more appealing FA.  None the less, I cant argue any of this, he's an upgrade for sure but I really dont think he pushes the needle all that much, defense be damned, the guy is 63-79 in his career.  That's a lot of losing.  Maybe a fresh start w/ a new scenery works but for a team known for coming up short and disappointing when it matters most, Carr seems like marrying the Titanic w/ the Hindenburg. 

 

I thought QB record was a team stat? Look at the stats this guy has put up over his career.

 

Year	Age	Tm	G	GS	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	QBR	GWD
Career			142	142	3201	4958	64.6	35222	217	99	11.0	248.0	91.8		33
2014	23	OAK	16	16	348	599	58.1	3270	21	12	9.4	204.4	76.6	42.1	1
2015*	24	OAK	16	16	350	573	61.1	3987	32	13	11.4	249.2	91.1	43.1	4
2016*	25	OAK	15	15	357	560	63.8	3937	28	6	11.0	262.5	96.7	56.1	7
2017*	26	OAK	15	15	323	515	62.7	3496	22	13	10.8	233.1	86.4	50.5	1
2018	27	OAK	16	16	381	553	68.9	4049	19	10	10.6	253.1	93.9	46.5	3
2019	28	OAK	16	16	361	513	70.4	4054	21	8	11.2	253.4	100.8	64.1	3
2020	29	LVR	16	16	348	517	67.3	4103	27	9	11.8	256.4	101.4	64.3	5
2021	30	LVR	17	17	428	626	68.4	4804	23	14	11.2	282.6	94.0	52.4	6
2022	31	LVR	15	15	305	502	60.8	3522	24	14	11.5	234.8	86.3	55.5	3

 

I hope he doesn't reject the Jets like Cousins did. We basically can be as good as the Vikings this year if Joe Douglas can patch together a respectable offensive line and Breece Hall can get healthy. Maybe have to draft another running back to hedge our bets on Breece Hall making a full recovery.

Now let's juxtapose next to Kirk Cousins career stats.

 

Year	Age	Tm	G	GS	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	QBR	GWD
Career			142	137	3249	4866	66.8	37140	252	105	11.4	261.5	97.8		28
6 yr	6 yr	WAS	62	57	1372	2096	65.5	16206	99	55	11.8	261.4	93.7		12
5 yr	5 yr	MIN	80	80	1877	2770	67.8	20934	153	50	11.2	261.7	100.9		16
2012	24	WAS	3	1	33	48	68.8	466	4	3	14.1	155.3	101.6	77.7	1
2013	25	WAS	5	3	81	155	52.3	854	4	7	10.5	170.8	58.4	36.5
2014	26	WAS	6	5	126	204	61.8	1710	10	9	13.6	285.0	86.4	52.3
2015	27	WAS	16	16	379	543	69.8	4166	29	11	11.0	260.4	101.6	67.8	3
2016*	28	WAS	16	16	406	606	67.0	4917	25	12	12.1	307.3	97.2	66.5	4
2017	29	WAS	16	16	347	540	64.3	4093	27	13	11.8	255.8	93.9	56.0	4
2018	30	MIN	16	16	425	606	70.1	4298	30	10	10.1	268.6	99.7	59.5	0
2019*	31	MIN	15	15	307	444	69.1	3603	26	6	11.7	240.2	107.4	60.4	1
2020	32	MIN	16	16	349	516	67.6	4265	35	13	12.2	266.6	105.0	55.8	3
2021*	33	MIN	16	16	372	561	66.3	4221	33	7	11.3	263.8	103.1	52.3	4
2022*	34	MIN	17	17	424	643	65.9	4547	29	14	10.7	267.5	92.5	49.8	8

 

[Jet Nut]

20 minutes ago, Jets Things said:

Hackett would call a draw on 3rd and 8 and Rodgers would audible out if it, like any non-idiot QB under a Hackett would. 

Sure he would.  All the shltty plays were Hackett’s and all the good ones were Rodgers audibles.  
LOL

[hmhertz]

12 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

For real? Hahaha

That brings Nagy to the top of my list.

A team with a defensive oriented HC relies

on his OC and GM to a lesser extent evaluating QB talent.

Schitheimer lead the search that wound up in our drafting

Clemens and Sanchez. Tranny (MT) knew nothing about QBs

or player personnel for that matter. Bald Douglas has

already shown his expertise as a QB shopper.  Our new

OC should lead  the search for our next QB  and more importantly

our future franchise QB.

My list Todd Monken, Nagy, Olson even though I'm not a Carr fan.

My choice for QB is Geno

[rangerous]

They need to pick a guy who knows what to do with zeilson and then a guy who might be a good replacement for saleh if the wheels fall off.

[JiF]

3 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

I thought QB record was a team stat? Look at the stats this guy has put up over his career.

 

Year	Age	Tm	G	GS	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	QBR	GWD
Carr	Carr		142	142	3201	4958	64.6	35222	217	99	11.0	248.0	91.8		33
2014	23	OAK	16	16	348	599	58.1	3270	21	12	9.4	204.4	76.6	42.1	1
2015*	24	OAK	16	16	350	573	61.1	3987	32	13	11.4	249.2	91.1	43.1	4
2016*	25	OAK	15	15	357	560	63.8	3937	28	6	11.0	262.5	96.7	56.1	7
2017*	26	OAK	15	15	323	515	62.7	3496	22	13	10.8	233.1	86.4	50.5	1
2018	27	OAK	16	16	381	553	68.9	4049	19	10	10.6	253.1	93.9	46.5	3
2019	28	OAK	16	16	361	513	70.4	4054	21	8	11.2	253.4	100.8	64.1	3
2020	29	LVR	16	16	348	517	67.3	4103	27	9	11.8	256.4	101.4	64.3	5
2021	30	LVR	17	17	428	626	68.4	4804	23	14	11.2	282.6	94.0	52.4	6
2022	31	LVR	15	15	305	502	60.8	3522	24	14	11.5	234.8	86.3	55.5	3

 

I hope he doesn't reject the Jets like Cousins did. We basically can be as good as the Vikings this year if Joe Douglas can patch together a respectable offensive line and Breece Hall can get healthy. Maybe have to draft another running back to hedge our bets on Breece Hall making a full recovery.

It is a team stat but 142 games is a lot of data, ya feel me?  All good, I wont cry if they get Carr, they could certainly do worse but if they do, I'd like to see them go find a freak w/ real upside to develop that can compete w/ the stud QB's of the AFC ie; Anthony Richardson and move on from Zach. 

And you said earlier the Jets won have to give up draft capital for Carr?  How so?   Didnt he just sign a mega deal in the offseason?  

 

[Beerfish]

2 hours ago, Joe Jets fan said:

That’s a couple posts where you keep saying everyone sucks.  Who do think will be good and why so we can quote this at a later date.  Or do you just want to butch about everyone?

Well if you want to evaluate my posts you better read them all.  I've listed guys who I think would be good.  (Joe Brady, Todd Monken, I'd be okay with Greg Olson after reading more about him) I've listed guys I think will be bad.  (I listed Hackett and nagy before they were mentioned by any media) Three out of the four guys mentioned are in my bad category.

Now lets get to your choices so we can quote at a alter date?  Who do you like and who do you not like?

 

[mrcoops]

1 hour ago, rldev said:

Get on the phone with Monken!

Earning $2M a year, and winning championships.  I don't think he would even answer the phone.

[playtowinthegame]

7 minutes ago, JiFields said:

It is a team stat but 142 games is a lot of data, ya feel me?  All good, I wont cry if they get Carr, they could certainly do worse but if they do, I'd like to see them go find a freak w/ real upside to develop that can compete w/ the stud QB's of the AFC ie; Anthony Richardson and move on from Zach. 

And you said earlier the Jets won have to give up draft capital for Carr?  How so?   Didnt he just sign a mega deal in the offseason?  

 

I was under the presumption the Raiders were going to release him, because he has the no-trade clause. Maybe we give up a low draft pick, so the Raiders get something. What would it cost to get a quarterback who was benched to eliminate the risk of a $40 million injury guarantee kicking in, and the quarterback can control his destination with a no-trade clause? As for finding a freak quarterback with upside I'm all for it. I think you draft a quarterback every year. Look at the 49ers. They drafted one in the 7th round last year, and it's paying off for them. 49ers lucked out big time, but you can't get lucky if you don't keep drafting them. As for Zach Wilson, I'm not sure if they'll move on from him only 2 years away from being the 2nd overall pick, unless Joe Douglas can work his magic again and find a trade partner.