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Derek Carr

Miami who? It’s on to the 2023 season for the Jets. Let’s get this thing fixed and take the next step forward.  Where do we start? Well the Jets wasted no time by parting ways with offensive coordinator Mike LaFleur.

While most observers will peg quarterback as the Jets biggest question mark of the offseason, but the offensive line should get just as much attention.  Unless the Jets fix the line, it really won’t matter who is under center; the offense will continue to struggle.  Offensive line may be the hardest position for the Jets to address since, inherently the team needs five good players as opposed to one good quarterback. The additional complication is how many teams are going to be searching for offensive lineman this offseason. It seems that nearly every team in the league was feeling the pain of a downturn in quality offensive line play.  There’s a cyclical nature to the strength of play at different positions in the NFL. This is the cycle of the receiver. There are receiving records falling like rain and talented receivers running free through secondaries every week. The season of the receiver is balanced by the dearth of talent at offensive line. It just goes like that. Soon the league will enter a cycle where every team is blessed with a mountain of big-time blockers and teams will be struggling to find someone to play decently at some other position like linebacker or safety.  The slim market for offensive lineman will drive up the price tag on all free-agent lineman up and keep the market tight on available top-tier players.

Quarterback will also be an ultra-competitive market space this offseason, and since the attention of so many fans will be fixed there, we can start with quarterback for the sake of this analysis.  Let’s begin with what the Jets have on the roster today.

Joe Flacco shouldn’t be with the Jets next season. That should be the most obvious move. Flacco may opt for retirement rendering this a moot point, but it shouldn’t matter. If he decides he wants to play in 2023, it should be with another club.

Mike White likewise, should suit up for a different team in 2023. White has exhausted his chances here. He flashed some skill, but ultimately, he’s not the franchise player the team needs.

Chris Streveler should be retained. Streveler is the exact type of developmental player that fits perfectly as a third quarterback. His brief stints in the preseason were enough to show the Jets he belonged on the roster. He will improve with another offseason and fits nicely as the number three in 2023.

Zach Wilson should be retained. Many will disagree, but it’s just too early to pull the plug on Wilson. Dumping him would be an issue financially, and there has not been enough time to accurately judge his ability to become a franchise player. He is immature.  He is indecisive. He is inaccurate. He is all those things. He is also 23 years old, and he had to play behind a patchwork mess of an offensive line. He needs another season. The Jets need to coach him for another year to see how he responds before he is jettisoned from New York.  Wilson can be, if nothing else, the backup in 2023 until it is more financially palatable to let him walk.

That means the Jets have a two and a three, and they need a quarterback for now, if not from now on.  Only about half the teams in the league have the player they believe to be their starter in place and signed for next season.  A few teams will fill that gap with early and mid-first-round draft picks. The Jets will need to compete with the rest of the quarterback-starved teams to find a starter. One name you won’t hear very much as a possible solution for the Jets is Daniel Jones.  The Giants declined an option that would have kept Jones on the roster for 2023. That is a decision they may come to regret. If the Giants don’t turn around and re-sign Jones, I’d love for the Jets to grab him. He’s not going to make the headlines the way signing Lamar Jackson, or David Carr would, but take a closer look at this year’s numbers:

Quarterback Completion % TDs INTs Rating
Jones 67.2 15 5 92
Jackson 62.3 17 7 91
Carr 60.8 24 14 86

 

Jones was statistically as good or better than both Lamar Jackson and David Carr this season. Jones is also younger than both Jackson and Carr. In addition, Jones spent the year playing for a team devoid of talent at the receiver position. Remember how I mentioned this is the cycle of the receiver? Yeah, well, the Giants didn’t get the memo. Jones has been throwing to nobody all year. Things aren’t great at wide receiver in Baltimore, and that has impacted Lamar Jackson, but nobody had it as bad as Daniel Jones.  Jones would look in the receiver room at Jet headquarters like a five-year-old kid looks at a mall Santa. Saquon Barkley co-led the Giants with 57 catches. Their leading receiver had 724 receiving yards. Things are not good on the outside in Giant land.

Jones can move too.  He moves much better than Carr and much better than most quarterbacks in the league. Jones is not Lamar Jackson’s equal on the run, but nobody is. Jones will more than get the job done mobility-wise. He’s also tough. He’s taken more than his share of hits behind the ever-rebuilding Giant line, and he keeps getting up. He’s dealt with the pressure of the New York media and fans, and he’s still here. Daniel Jones makes a lot of sense for the Jets right now. Will the Giants let him test free agency, that is the question?

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1 hour ago, JetNation said:

Derek Carr

Miami who? It’s on to the 2023 season for the Jets. Let’s get this thing fixed and take the next step forward.  Where do we start? Well the Jets wasted no time by parting ways with offensive coordinator Mike LaFleur.

While most observers will peg quarterback as the Jets biggest question mark of the offseason, but the offensive line should get just as much attention.  Unless the Jets fix the line, it really won’t matter who is under center; the offense will continue to struggle.  Offensive line may be the hardest position for the Jets to address since, inherently the team needs five good players as opposed to one good quarterback. The additional complication is how many teams are going to be searching for offensive lineman this offseason. It seems that nearly every team in the league was feeling the pain of a downturn in quality offensive line play.  There’s a cyclical nature to the strength of play at different positions in the NFL. This is the cycle of the receiver. There are receiving records falling like rain and talented receivers running free through secondaries every week. The season of the receiver is balanced by the dearth of talent at offensive line. It just goes like that. Soon the league will enter a cycle where every team is blessed with a mountain of big-time blockers and teams will be struggling to find someone to play decently at some other position like linebacker or safety.  The slim market for offensive lineman will drive up the price tag on all free-agent lineman up and keep the market tight on available top-tier players.

Quarterback will also be an ultra-competitive market space this offseason, and since the attention of so many fans will be fixed there, we can start with quarterback for the sake of this analysis.  Let’s begin with what the Jets have on the roster today.

Joe Flacco shouldn’t be with the Jets next season. That should be the most obvious move. Flacco may opt for retirement rendering this a moot point, but it shouldn’t matter. If he decides he wants to play in 2023, it should be with another club.

Mike White likewise, should suit up for a different team in 2023. White has exhausted his chances here. He flashed some skill, but ultimately, he’s not the franchise player the team needs.

Chris Streveler should be retained. Streveler is the exact type of developmental player that fits perfectly as a third quarterback. His brief stints in the preseason were enough to show the Jets he belonged on the roster. He will improve with another offseason and fits nicely as the number three in 2023.

Zach Wilson should be retained. Many will disagree, but it’s just too early to pull the plug on Wilson. Dumping him would be an issue financially, and there has not been enough time to accurately judge his ability to become a franchise player. He is immature.  He is indecisive. He is inaccurate. He is all those things. He is also 23 years old, and he had to play behind a patchwork mess of an offensive line. He needs another season. The Jets need to coach him for another year to see how he responds before he is jettisoned from New York.  Wilson can be, if nothing else, the backup in 2023 until it is more financially palatable to let him walk.

That means the Jets have a two and a three, and they need a quarterback for now, if not from now on.  Only about half the teams in the league have the player they believe to be their starter in place and signed for next season.  A few teams will fill that gap with early and mid-first-round draft picks. The Jets will need to compete with the rest of the quarterback-starved teams to find a starter. One name you won’t hear very much as a possible solution for the Jets is Daniel Jones.  The Giants declined an option that would have kept Jones on the roster for 2023. That is a decision they may come to regret. If the Giants don’t turn around and re-sign Jones, I’d love for the Jets to grab him. He’s not going to make the headlines the way signing Lamar Jackson, or David Carr would, but take a closer look at this year’s numbers:

Quarterback Completion % TDs INTs Rating
Jones 67.2 15 5 92
Jackson 62.3 17 7 91
Carr 60.8 24 14 86

 

Jones was statistically as good or better than both Lamar Jackson and David Carr this season. Jones is also younger than both Jackson and Carr. In addition, Jones spent the year playing for a team devoid of talent at the receiver position. Remember how I mentioned this is the cycle of the receiver? Yeah, well, the Giants didn’t get the memo. Jones has been throwing to nobody all year. Things aren’t great at wide receiver in Baltimore, and that has impacted Lamar Jackson, but nobody had it as bad as Daniel Jones.  Jones would look in the receiver room at Jet headquarters like a five-year-old kid looks at a mall Santa. Saquon Barkley co-led the Giants with 57 catches. Their leading receiver had 724 receiving yards. Things are not good on the outside in Giant land.

Jones can move too.  He moves much better than Carr and much better than most quarterbacks in the league. Jones is not Lamar Jackson’s equal on the run, but nobody is. Jones will more than get the job done mobility-wise. He’s also tough. He’s taken more than his share of hits behind the ever-rebuilding Giant line, and he keeps getting up. He’s dealt with the pressure of the New York media and fans, and he’s still here. Daniel Jones makes a lot of sense for the Jets right now. Will the Giants let him test free agency, that is the question?

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I could not agree more with everything written in this article.  This is exactly my thinking.  I have been telling Giants fans before this season, that I would love to have Daniel Jones on the Jets.  Before this season, many Giants fans would have said to me, "ok".

It is obvious to me that the Giants will do everything they can to keep Jones.  The window on snagging him is gone IMO.  I would love to get him, but I don't think it will happen.

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Honestly, there are so many potential options that will be substantial improvements over what we had this year, either via trade or FA, that it makes my head spin and I just have to have faith in JD and this coaching staff that they will choose, go after and get the best possible candidate for the job that will come here. 

Now, that doesn't mean we will end up with some super star or great talent at QB. It may mean we just get a vet that can execute in this this offense and bring it some stability. And I would be fine with that. As long as JD takes his shot at some of the top options rather than sitting idly by. Addressing the QB position should be his #1 priority. Above all else. Above paying Q, above addressing the O-line, above retaining any current FA on the team (not that some of those things can't happen in parallel). He can't be cheap about it. Not with draft capital, not with money. While its only started to open and this is a young team, our window WILL start to close sooner than we think. 

Yes, it makes sense to retain Zach. But I disagree about Streveler being the #3. Unless you intend on using him in specific wildcat packages or think he can actually develop into a pocket passer, I don't get the point. He should be a PS guy. The Jets should sign a vet backup (so that if our starter gets injured we don't have to rely on Zach) OR draft a developmental QB in the 4th/5th rd like Hooker or Haener or Tune.   

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1 hour ago, JetNation said:

Derek Carr

Miami who? It’s on to the 2023 season for the Jets. Let’s get this thing fixed and take the next step forward.  Where do we start? Well the Jets wasted no time by parting ways with offensive coordinator Mike LaFleur.

While most observers will peg quarterback as the Jets biggest question mark of the offseason, but the offensive line should get just as much attention.  Unless the Jets fix the line, it really won’t matter who is under center; the offense will continue to struggle.  Offensive line may be the hardest position for the Jets to address since, inherently the team needs five good players as opposed to one good quarterback. The additional complication is how many teams are going to be searching for offensive lineman this offseason. It seems that nearly every team in the league was feeling the pain of a downturn in quality offensive line play.  There’s a cyclical nature to the strength of play at different positions in the NFL. This is the cycle of the receiver. There are receiving records falling like rain and talented receivers running free through secondaries every week. The season of the receiver is balanced by the dearth of talent at offensive line. It just goes like that. Soon the league will enter a cycle where every team is blessed with a mountain of big-time blockers and teams will be struggling to find someone to play decently at some other position like linebacker or safety.  The slim market for offensive lineman will drive up the price tag on all free-agent lineman up and keep the market tight on available top-tier players.

Quarterback will also be an ultra-competitive market space this offseason, and since the attention of so many fans will be fixed there, we can start with quarterback for the sake of this analysis.  Let’s begin with what the Jets have on the roster today.

Joe Flacco shouldn’t be with the Jets next season. That should be the most obvious move. Flacco may opt for retirement rendering this a moot point, but it shouldn’t matter. If he decides he wants to play in 2023, it should be with another club.

Mike White likewise, should suit up for a different team in 2023. White has exhausted his chances here. He flashed some skill, but ultimately, he’s not the franchise player the team needs.

Chris Streveler should be retained. Streveler is the exact type of developmental player that fits perfectly as a third quarterback. His brief stints in the preseason were enough to show the Jets he belonged on the roster. He will improve with another offseason and fits nicely as the number three in 2023.

Zach Wilson should be retained. Many will disagree, but it’s just too early to pull the plug on Wilson. Dumping him would be an issue financially, and there has not been enough time to accurately judge his ability to become a franchise player. He is immature.  He is indecisive. He is inaccurate. He is all those things. He is also 23 years old, and he had to play behind a patchwork mess of an offensive line. He needs another season. The Jets need to coach him for another year to see how he responds before he is jettisoned from New York.  Wilson can be, if nothing else, the backup in 2023 until it is more financially palatable to let him walk.

That means the Jets have a two and a three, and they need a quarterback for now, if not from now on.  Only about half the teams in the league have the player they believe to be their starter in place and signed for next season.  A few teams will fill that gap with early and mid-first-round draft picks. The Jets will need to compete with the rest of the quarterback-starved teams to find a starter. One name you won’t hear very much as a possible solution for the Jets is Daniel Jones.  The Giants declined an option that would have kept Jones on the roster for 2023. That is a decision they may come to regret. If the Giants don’t turn around and re-sign Jones, I’d love for the Jets to grab him. He’s not going to make the headlines the way signing Lamar Jackson, or David Carr would, but take a closer look at this year’s numbers:

Quarterback Completion % TDs INTs Rating
Jones 67.2 15 5 92
Jackson 62.3 17 7 91
Carr 60.8 24 14 86

 

Jones was statistically as good or better than both Lamar Jackson and David Carr this season. Jones is also younger than both Jackson and Carr. In addition, Jones spent the year playing for a team devoid of talent at the receiver position. Remember how I mentioned this is the cycle of the receiver? Yeah, well, the Giants didn’t get the memo. Jones has been throwing to nobody all year. Things aren’t great at wide receiver in Baltimore, and that has impacted Lamar Jackson, but nobody had it as bad as Daniel Jones.  Jones would look in the receiver room at Jet headquarters like a five-year-old kid looks at a mall Santa. Saquon Barkley co-led the Giants with 57 catches. Their leading receiver had 724 receiving yards. Things are not good on the outside in Giant land.

Jones can move too.  He moves much better than Carr and much better than most quarterbacks in the league. Jones is not Lamar Jackson’s equal on the run, but nobody is. Jones will more than get the job done mobility-wise. He’s also tough. He’s taken more than his share of hits behind the ever-rebuilding Giant line, and he keeps getting up. He’s dealt with the pressure of the New York media and fans, and he’s still here. Daniel Jones makes a lot of sense for the Jets right now. Will the Giants let him test free agency, that is the question?

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Great write up! It’s Derek Carr btw

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Just now, PepPep said:

Honestly, there are so many potential options that will be substantial improvements over what we had this year, either via trade or FA, that it makes my head spin and I just have to have faith in JD and this coaching staff that they will choose, go after and get the best possible candidate for the job that will come here. 

Now, that doesn't mean we will end up with some super star or great talent at QB. It may mean we just get a vet that stabilizes that can execute in this this offense and bring it some stability. And I would be fine with that. As long as JD takes his shot at some of the top options rather than sitting idly by. Addressing the QB position should be his #1 priority. Above all else. Above paying Q, above addressing the O-line, above retaining any current FA on the team (not that some of those things can't happen in parallel). He can't be cheap about it. Not with draft capital, not with money. While its only started to open and this is a young team, our window WILL start to close sooner than we think. 

Yes, it makes sense to retain Zach. But I disagree about Streveler being the #3. Unless you intend on using him in specific wildcat packages or think he can actually develop into a pocket passer, I don't get the point. He should be a PS guy. The Jets should sign a vet backup (so that if our starter gets injured we don't have to rely on Zach) OR draft a developmental QB in the 4th/5th rd like Hooker or Haener or Tune.   

I agree with most of this.  The Case Keenum, Kyle Orton, Drew Locks of the world probably get this team into the playoffs easily.  They need a floor like that and something to hope with, though I believe they will still be saddled with Wilson maybe a change will help.

I am not sure I agree about Streveler.  I think the #3 QB is generally a practice squad guy, so I am fine with him there.  He also may be good to keep (again) as a 4th QB because he can to a good job with the scout team when the need to prep for guys like Jackson.

 

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11 minutes ago, PepPep said:

Yes, it makes sense to retain Zach. But I disagree about Streveler being the #3. Unless you intend on using him in specific wildcat packages or think he can actually develop into a pocket passer, I don't get the point.

Yes, the Jets intend to use him in specific wildcat packages.  You okay with keeping him as the #3 QB now?

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25 minutes ago, Alka said:

Yes, the Jets intend to use him in specific wildcat packages.  You okay with keeping him as the #3 QB now?

Sure. I'd like to see it to believe it. I'd like to see it be successful. 

Point is, I'd rather have a vet backup and push Zach to #3 (because I don't trust Zach as a good backup) or bring in a developmental rookie as the #3 than have Streveler take that final spot on the roster/QB depth chart if we are not going to use him is a specific role.

We know what he is. He's 28 and I don't think he has THAT much room to grow.  

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3 minutes ago, SackExchangeNYJ said:

Letting Mike White walk and keeping Zach Wilson would be the most Jets Jets ever to Jet.

Neither guy is starting.  Mike White is a free agent and Zach Wilson has 2 more years on his rookie contract with a 10 million cap hit in 2023. Zach is staying. Like it or not. 

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26 minutes ago, Warfish said:

With what the team has said, and the firing of MLF, I am 100% convinced as of now that Zach Wilson is the planned starter for 2023.

I'll believe they'll get a veteran starter when I see it.  Not before.

I can honestly see this.  I can also see them seeing Lamar hit the market and thinking that this is a once in a decade chance to add an established franchise QB in his prime.  

 

..but yeah, I think it's pretty likely that they still plan on Zach being the guy but they know they need a better/safer option than White.  Honestly wouldn't be surprised if they sign just Andy Dalton or trade for Matt Ryan, tbh.  Cheap options who have no chance of blocking Zach if he turns it around.  Right or wrong, Zach is a massive stain on JD's resume and I highly doubt he's ready to accept that stain just yet, at least not without seeing what a proven OC(someone who has developed QBs in the past) can do to bail him out.   

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30 minutes ago, Warfish said:

With what the team has said, and the firing of MLF, I am 100% convinced as of now that Zach Wilson is the planned starter for 2023.

I'll believe they'll get a veteran starter when I see it.  Not before.

If it is ZW, Saleh and JD will be zealously canned at the conclusion of 2023 season. 

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3 minutes ago, SackExchangeNYJ said:

Unfortunately probably true. I would imagine the cap hit if Wilson was traded would be significant.

He has about 4 million in salary/bonus next year but the cap hit is around 10 million because of the initial signing bonus.  

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At a very minimum, they need to bring in a vet QB to at least compete for the position.  I'd guess that JD might trade ZW, but only if he could get a good return (at least a 2nd rounder?), though that seems unlikely, or just keep him and hope that a new OC can "develop" him.

Really, the best thing for ZW and MW would be to go to teams with a solid offense in place, esp. a good pass blocking OL that could keep MW healthy and let ZW maybe relax and concentrate on his receivers rather than evading unblocked pass rushers.

I'm not sure the Jets will have that good of an OL next year. They certainly didn't this year, and the OT situation is a mess right now.

 

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16 minutes ago, bonkertons said:

I can honestly see this.  I can also see them seeing Lamar hit the market and thinking that this is a once in a decade chance to add an established franchise QB in his prime.  

He's not going to hit the market.

He's not an "established franchise QB", he's a runner who plays QB in a system specifically designed for him (including the roster around him), and already is a huge injury risk for his future career.

I don't think L.J. is even on JD's radar.  Nothing he's done since becoming GM speaks to him making a "big, expensive splashy move" at QB.

16 minutes ago, bonkertons said:

..but yeah, I think it's pretty likely that they still plan on Zach being the guy but they know they need a better/safer option than White.  Honestly wouldn't be surprised if they sign just Andy Dalton or trade for Matt Ryan, tbh.  Cheap options who have no chance of blocking Zach if he turns it around.  Right or wrong, Zach is a massive stain on JD's resume and I highly doubt he's ready to accept that stain just yet, at least not without seeing what a proven OC(someone who has developed QBs in the past) can do to bail him out.   

I think you might be right one. 

A Flacco-type, a safe, boring, check-cashing over the hill Veteran who won't actually compete with Zach, but play the "veteran mentor" role.

I am clearly full bore cynical right now re: the Jets, but I fear this is their plan.  

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4 minutes ago, Alka said:

I could not agree more with everything written in this article.  This is exactly my thinking.  I have been telling Giants fans before this season, that I would love to have Daniel Jones on the Jets.  Before this season, many Giants fans would have said to me, "ok".

It is obvious to me that the Giants will do everything they can to keep Jones.  The window on snagging him is gone IMO.  I would love to get him, but I don't think it will happen.

Same here. I spent years trying to convince myself that this guy was terrible. Then this year I was like wow that is exactly what the Jets need.

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now that the little flower has wilted and tossed I am changing my tune.

I wanted the Jets to go after Darnold or Love, Draft Tune, McKee, Haener, or best they could get really in later rounds, assumed they keeping Zach, and keep Strev

Have a true QB competition that Love or Darnold would have won and get to 2024 to try and draft a QB again figuring would be new staff in 2024 anyway.

I thought that Darnold and Love were probably best suited for the little flowers offense and do not like any of the "has beens" that would reek havoc on cap and ability to bring in WR, OL, DT, etc via FA which this team desperately needs.

now that little flower is gone.  Time to wait and see who they hire, what offense they going for, and will they abandon zone blocking concepts (telling by which OL coach they hire)

Once coaching staff settled and I hope they do that quickly, then it will be time to define which available QB fit from the arm chair fan POV.  so hurry the **** up Saleh!

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Backup and 3rd string QBs are playing a lot this season. A lot of QB injuries. So if a QB signs to be a backup they have a good chance to play and even start games. If the Jets sign a FA vet starter like Carr would Mike White re-sign with the Jets. A lot might depend on what the Jets do with Zach. He might accept a backup role but not third string. I don’t see Zach coming back to be 3rd string either. White’s value has dropped after a good showing he’s another QB knocked out of playing due to injury. Zach also missed games due to injury. Not easy to stay healthy at that position. 

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On 1/12/2023 at 11:23 AM, CanadaSteve said:

Jacoby Brissett should be in this equation.

He played solid for Cleveland, and we have as good of WR/RB's when healthy.

The line will need to be fixed, but scheme could also help.  

Brissett is better than Zach. But that’s not saying much. But then again you are a Zach cuck

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The only viable options I see at QB for next season are Carr and Minshew. Jones is either not leaving the Giants or returning to his normal self wherever else he goes, Lamar Jackson works in a system and players built around him and is injury prone.

Mike White's shortcomings could certainly be due to OC failures, but I wouldn't trust him to be the starter in a playoffs or bust season (regardless of what Woody says. There's no way the Jets miss the playoffs without Saleh getting fired unless it's 11-6 and a tiebreaker away or something). If Zach Wilson becomes the starter it better be because he had the best TC and preseason in the history of the NFL or a vet they sign gets hurt. He's been a disaster so far. 

Carr and Minshew both put up good numbers prior to this season, and they'll both be available. Minshew will be cheap but is a much bigger question mark, and Carr will be more expensive but is a sure thing.

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On 1/12/2023 at 10:47 AM, JETS SB said:

Neither guy is starting.  Mike White is a free agent and Zach Wilson has 2 more years on his rookie contract with a 10 million cap hit in 2023. Zach is staying. Like it or not. 

Zach has a $5 million cap hit in 23 and 24...not $10 mill in 23.  Yes, if they cut him in the offseason it's a $10 mill cap hit in 23...but he's gonna be here IMO

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