Tony Pauline: Disconnect in Front Office regarding LaFleur

[Barry McCockinner]

Some interesting insight into why the Jets moved on.

[Augustiniak]

Just now, Barry McCockinner said:

Some interesting insight into why the Jets moved on.

summary?

[Jets Things]

3 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

summary?

MiLF can't adjust to the players he has. His OL zone blocking scheme or nothing. 

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

3 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

summary?

Says there was a disconnect between the FO and Saleh on MLF. Douglas and company wanted to move on from him and Saleh wanted to give him another chance. They feel MLF is not flexible with the players he needs to succeed. He needs very specific players to do certain things and that leaves a small margin of error. 

[freestater]

3 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

summary?

Saleh hired his best friend. Saleh was more interested in keeping his buddy around rather than having a talented coordinator who could utilize the strengths of his players instead of being rigidly beholden to a system that wasn't working. 

[Augustiniak]

1 minute ago, freestater said:

Saleh hired his best friend. Saleh was more interested in keeping his buddy around rather than having a talented coordinator who could utilize the strengths of his players instead of being rigidly beholden to a system that wasn't working. 

makes sense seeing how too many douglas draft picks weren't utilized

[SickJetFan]

2 minutes ago, Jets Things said:

MiLF can't adjust to the players he has. His OL zone blocking scheme or nothing. 

told ya'all zone blocking wasnt a fit 2021 especially since they took on WAY more than they could chew with rookies

[freestater]

1 minute ago, Augustiniak said:

makes sense seeing how too many douglas draft picks weren't utilized

Wouldn't it be something if we see Moore and Mims start to shine next year?

[hotrodcharlie]

the front office needed a scapegoat

Imagine the Chargers blaming the offensive coordinator for Ryan Leaf's struggles.

[Augustiniak]

Just now, freestater said:

Wouldn't it be something if we see Moore and Mims start to shine next year?

and ruckert

[SickJetFan]

1 minute ago, freestater said:

Wouldn't it be something if we see Moore and Mims start to shine next year?

and Becton - wouldnt it be nice to have a true FLT

[freestater]

2 minutes ago, SickJetFan said:

and Becton - wouldnt it be nice to have a true FLT

it would be nice. However, if the FO goes into this season relying on him rather than having a top notch alternative, they're making a grossly incompetent error. 

[CanadaSteve]

6 minutes ago, freestater said:

Saleh hired his best friend. Saleh was more interested in keeping his buddy around rather than having a talented coordinator who could utilize the strengths of his players instead of being rigidly beholden to a system that wasn't working. 

And this wouldn't be unnatural for ANYONE.  Guy is coming in as a first time head coach.  He trusts MLF.  They are best friends.  It makes perfect sense.  Problem is, as a best friend, you might not see the forest for the trees.  KUDOS should go to JD and the rest of the FO for seeing the trees for the forest, and moving on.  

With Saleh being a defensive minded coach, the best thing they could do is go out and get a seasoned OC.  Someone who could come in, see what we have, and mold the ideas around what we got.  Not another guy who needs to come in as a rookie, and say "okay, I need all these types of players.  Lets trade some, and rebuild the entire offense."  

As hard as I have been on Zach, you can tell he did NOT fit this system - square peg in round hole.  They need to bring in a QB who can start and actually compete against Wilson.  If Wilson beats that person out, great.  If he can't, he is the number two and will be gone the year after. 

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

A coach who can’t adapt to his players isn’t one you can afford to keep.

IDK, I don’t exactly trust Joe Douglas or the front office either though.

This sort of reeks of spin control after the fact.

[SickJetFan]

1 minute ago, freestater said:

it would be nice. However, if the FO goes into this season relying on him rather than having a top notch alternative, they're making a grossly incompetent error. 

they still have Brown who prob wont be available until after the 1q of season if he doesnt retire.  If Becton goes down with injury AVT was more than capable to be LT too.  So what you need is someone to compete with Max to be swing,

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

This must be what JD meant by “difficult conversations”.

But the one that really needs to be had is why he fell in love with Kapono.  How could a whiff like that happen at #2 overall?

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

I mean nobody took a jump on offense. Players only took steps back - Mims, Moore, Carter. 

[CanadaSteve]

10 minutes ago, hotrodcharlie said:

the front office needed a scapegoat

Welcome to corporate America.  Every business does this.

To be fair; You have a top ten defense that in 5 of the nine losses held the opponent to under 20 points, and you don't score a TD in the final three games of the year.

That's a pretty EASY scapegoat. 

[CanadaSteve]

Just now, Zachtomims47 said:

I mean nobody took a jump on offense. Players only took steps back - Mims, Moore, Carter. 

Garret Wilson

Breece Hall (pre injury)

Bam Knight

[CanadaSteve]

3 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

This must be what JD meant by “difficult conversations”.

But the one that really needs to be had is why he fell in love with Kapono.  How could a whiff like that happen at #2 overall?

It happens ALL the time in the NFL at the QB position in the first round. 

[The Crusher]

16 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said:

Says there was a disconnect between the FO and Saleh on MLF. Douglas and company wanted to move on from him and Saleh wanted to give him another chance. They feel MLF is not flexible with the players he needs to succeed. He needs very specific players to do certain things and that leaves a small margin of error. 

Man this shit is just like “ Old  Yellar”

[hotrodcharlie]

2 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said:

Welcome to corporate America.  Every business does this.

To be fair; You have a top ten defense that in 5 of the nine losses held the opponent to under 20 points, and you don't score a TD in the final three games of the year.

That's a pretty EASY scapegoat. 

I've been in corporate America my entire life. Usually upper management is held responsible for failures in performance

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But Woody Johnson was handed everything in his life so he may have never learned that is how its supposed to work

[PepPep]

7 minutes ago, freestater said:

Saleh hired his best friend. Saleh was more interested in keeping his buddy around rather than having a talented coordinator who could utilize the strengths of his players instead of being rigidly beholden to a system that wasn't working. 

Ok, well these kinds of takes are fine and everything but completely oversimplify things. 

The idea that Saleh just wanted to keep his buddy around sounds completely ludicrous. 

Obviously Saleh felt MLF was a very talented coordinator and they would be on the same page as far as the direction of the team and the offensive scheme. 

Obviously Saleh had a lot of trust in MLF and his abilities. 

I think Saleh was also not blind to the absurdity at the QB position this year. The horrendous suckage of Wilson and Flacco. The fragility of Mike White. 

I'm a big fan of JD, one of the best GMs we have had here in a long time. But one position he royally screwed up this year was QB. THE most important positions on the team. So if I'm Saleh, to sit there and listen to JD call for MLF's head must be infuriating.   

All things considering it makes sense that Saleh went to bat for MLF. And it seems silly to assume that he did it just because he 'wanted his buddy around'.  

He probably said what many of us said on this board- give him a half-way decent QB and everything will change. 

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

1 minute ago, CanadaSteve said:

Garret Wilson

Breece Hall (pre injury)

Bam Knight

I was talking more later round picks that actually developed into something more. Let's not forget Lafluer started the season with a 4 TE game plan around Cager and forgot they drafted a #1 WR. 

[Lith]

If it was JD that overruled Saleh, I am okay with that.  At least the decision was made within the football hierarchy.  If Woody stepped in and overruled the football guys, that would be an issue.

[Matt39]

22 minutes ago, freestater said:

Saleh hired his best friend. Saleh was more interested in keeping his buddy around rather than having a talented coordinator who could utilize the strengths of his players instead of being rigidly beholden to a system that wasn't working. 

Douglas green lit these hires 2 years ago.

[Larz]

Steve young calls the shots. This is all smoke and mirrors by the man to keep us asleep 

[TheClashFan]

18 minutes ago, freestater said:

it would be nice. However, if the FO goes into this season relying on him rather than having a top notch alternative, they're making a grossly incompetent error. 

Becton should be OT4, at the highest, on the depth chart going into training camp. If not, something has gone wrong.

 

[#27TheDominator]

3 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said:

I mean nobody took a jump on offense. Players only took steps back - Mims, Moore, Carter. 

I am not sure the idea that Moore took a step back is fair.  He was having an excellent year before Wilson came back from injury.  He basically fell off a cliff and asked to be traded because Wilson wasn't targeting him.  He had 7 games over 40 yards.  Only 2 were with WIlson.  When you consider that Wilson started 9 games and the other 2 started 8 that is pretty damning.  When you consider that in 2021 he had 7 games over 40 yards and 4 were with QBs other than Wilson - literally ever game started by a QB other than Wilson - it does not seem like LaFleur is the issue there.  I know 40 yards doesn't sound like much but that is a 680 yard season and some of those games (140 for Flacco against Miami) really could push him up. 

[slats]

24 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said:

Says there was a disconnect between the FO and Saleh on MLF. Douglas and company wanted to move on from him and Saleh wanted to give him another chance. They feel MLF is not flexible with the players he needs to succeed. He needs very specific players to do certain things and that leaves a small margin of error. 

This is massively problematic but, also, the sort of thing that could’ve been worked thru with an Assistant HC/Offense added to the staff. I will say that adaptability is one of the more important features I look for in a coach, though. Otherwise it’s like the Brady Bunch movies where all of Mike’s designs look like their house. 

[RSJ]

I mean nobody took a jump on offense. Players only took steps back - Mims, Moore, Carter. 

Some players played so bad they were cut. Then they went on to play productively for other teams. It happened on defense too. I dont buy into the whole Robert Saleh makes players fit thing. Pinnock played well this year and we could have used a FS


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[rangerous]

10 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said:

Garret Wilson

Breece Hall (pre injury)

Bam Knight

Knight took a step ahead and then a step back. Gwilson is a baller and he always wanted to be out there. Plus he was the only receiver that was reliable. Breeze hall? Great start but his production depends on the online and it got worse.  And don’t forget lafleur coaches the whole offense including the oline.

[The Crusher]

8 minutes ago, Lith said:

If it was JD that overruled Saleh, I am okay with that.  At least the decision was made within the football hierarchy.  If Woody stepped in and overruled the football guys, that would be an issue.

!00% JD in my opinion. "He killed Zach, that bastard!"

 

[dbatesman]

35 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

summary?

We finally got the power structure right and still managed to screw it up in less than two years 

[#27TheDominator]

1 minute ago, RSJ said:

 

Some players played so bad they were cut. Then they went on to play productively for other teams. It happened on defense too. I dont buy into the whole Robert Saleh makes players fit thing. Pinnock played well this year and we could have used a FS


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Pinnock is who you want to point to?  A project corner they moved to safety and tried to stash on the practice squad?  I would say with the way the D performed you shouldn't complain.  They kept Adams over him which is what everybody complained about.  Adams played a decent number of snaps the last couple of weeks with Joyner down and looked pretty solid to me.