Colts Not Interested In Carr

[THE BARON]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-one-qb-needy-team-not-interested-in-derek-carr-trade/ar-AA16hA8l?cvid=f33e0f1ea68a49e084da79719cf93a2f

"The Indianapolis Colts will not be trading for Carr, according to Zak Keefer of The Athletic.

That is not much of a surprise. The Colts have not found a long-term solution at quarterback since Andrew Luck retired in 2018. They have cycled through three veterans — Philip Rivers, Carson Wentz and Matt Ryan — the past three years and the results have gotten progressively worse each season"

This is good for us.  Give me Carr and Greg Olson.  One less obstacle in the way.

[Joe W. Namath]

Carr is awful.  Smart by the Colts.

[Barry McCockinner]

1 minute ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Carr is awful.  Smart by the Colts.

the guy with the most game winning drives since he came into the league is awful. who knew!?

[FactsOnly]

He’s a can

not worth the money

Jimmy Handsome or bust

[JoJoTownsell1]

Not interested in trading for Carr is not the same as not being interested in Carr. 

[THE BARON]

6 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Carr is awful.  Smart by the Colts.

He did very well with Olson and the Jets also need a good OC.  If you could pair them up, the Jets would instantly go from inept on offense to productive.  

Carr's problem this season was Josh McDaniel. 

[TuscanyTile2]

6 minutes ago, FactsOnly said:

He’s a can

not worth the money

Jimmy Handsome or bust

Jimmy Gorgeous can't stay on the field though.

[Barry McCockinner]

Just now, TuscanyTile2 said:

Jimmy Gorgeous can't stay on the field though.

he was also easily replaced by Mr. Irrelevant.

[Stark]

11 minutes ago, FactsOnly said:

He’s a can

not worth the money

Jimmy Handsome or bust

I mean Jimmy has the durability of a 60 yr old. 

[Stark]

13 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Not interested in trading for Carr is not the same as not being interested in Carr. 

yup no one wants that bad contract. 

[Joe W. Namath]

12 minutes ago, THE BARON said:

He did very well with Olson and the Jets also need a good OC.  If you could pair them up, the Jets would instantly go from inept on offense to productive.  

Carr's problem this season was Josh McDaniel. 

No, Josh McDaniels problem this year was derrick carr.  The dude sucks.

[varjet]

The Colts pick 4th.  The Bears pick 1st and they have Justin Fields.  There will be a QB for the Colts available who will cost 25% of what Carr costs.  The Colts have not done great with the retread QBs.  Irsay is not a big spender.  I am sure that is the Colts' plan.  

As a general matter we will look at the draft rankings and predictions, but the QBs will basically gradually rise up the board.  They are valuable and worth taking chances on.  

[usanyj]

1 minute ago, Joe W. Namath said:

No, Josh McDaniels problem this year was derrick carr.  The dude sucks.

Josh McDaniels is 17-28 as a HC, embarrassed himself with the Colts and is only still Raiders coach becuase they can't afford to pay him not to coach and another head coach.

Everyone has their opinion on things, but the fact that so many jets fans, who have seen such abysmal QB play in the last few DECADES, can look at a player with a career 65% comp, 217 tds and 99 picks, while leading the league in comeback wins in recent years, and say he sucks is beyond me.  We have recently all been arguing if a guy who can't complete a screen pass is the future, or if a journeyman 5th round pick without ribs is the future, with some people feeling like one of those two are...but we sh*t on derek carr?  ok, you always talk about the disease of jets fans....well here is one, point blank, sh*tting on talented players that would own every record in this organization and saying they suck...this is the route we pick? really? ok.....

[THE BARON]

35 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Carr is awful.  Smart by the Colts.

Carr is very capable.  Especially if pair with an OC that works to his strenghts.

Consider the alternatives.

ZW: Awful

Jimmy G. Cant stay on the field

Rodgers has some personality issues and appears to be washed up.

Mike White.  Not only is he a back-up at best, but also injury issues.

So... Suggest a better alternative to Carr

[playtowinthegame]

48 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Carr is awful.  Smart by the Colts.

Smart when they got Carson Wentz, then Nick Foles, and then Matt Ryan who they'll owe 17.3 million to stay home and enjoy life. 

[bonkertons]

Yeah the Colts are going to draft their franchise QB.  If anything they'll bring in a short term stop-gap but that's about it.  No way do I see them as a player for Carr.  

[Gastineau Lives]

26 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

No, Josh McDaniels problem this year was derrick carr.  The dude sucks.

Name the non sucks qbs

[Fantasy Island]

50 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Carr is awful.  Smart by the Colts.

That’s what someone who has a disease would think.  Zach is the disease, Carr is the cure.

[IndianaJet]

32 minutes ago, varjet said:

but the QBs will basically gradually rise up the board.  They are valuable and worth taking chances on.  

[THE BARON]

40 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Jimmy Gorgeous can't stay on the field though.

Agree.  For the money and skill level, Jimmy G would be the better choice, but no player is a good player if they are not on the field doing their job.  I really like Jimmy G but he never makes it through a full season.  I'd expect that trend to hold up.  Carr will cost more, but he'll be on the field.  He is a very nice passer and I think he'll do well with a system and OC that helps his comfort level.  The Jets lost a pile of games by just a few points in games where their offense could not produce anything.  All due to the awful QB play.  With Carr, they wont have a Joe Borrow or Josh Allen, but they will have sufficient offensive production to win games considering the quality of their defense. 

If they do go with Jimmy G, Mike White better be practicing as if he is the starter. 

I know I will get flamed for this, but I would also be very happy to go with Carr or Jimmy and also draft a QB.  Say, perhaps... Tanner McKee or Herndon Hooker in the later rounds. 

[Jets Things]

19 minutes ago, IndianaJet said:

I'd love to bang his mother. 

[Green Ghost]

1 hour ago, Stark said:

I mean Jimmy has the durability of a 60 yr old. 

[Mo Lew]

Its going to be Carr or Rodgers in my opinion.  If Jimmy G was the plan they wouldn't have gotten rid of LaFleur and Benton.  Lamar will cost everything and is too risky based on his play style.  

[Green Ghost]

53 minutes ago, THE BARON said:

Carr is very capable.  Especially if pair with an OC that works to his strenghts.

Consider the alternatives.

ZW: Awful

Jimmy G. Cant stay on the field

Rodgers has some personality issues and appears to be washed up.

Mike White.  Not only is he a back-up at best, but also injury issues.

So... Suggest a better alternative to Carr

This is the third time you’ve mentioned Olson in this thread. You didn’t know his name a week ago.

[THE BARON]

3 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

This is the third time you’ve mentioned Olson in this thread. You didn’t know his name a week ago.

I still don't know him.  

[Chrebetfan80]

1 hour ago, varjet said:

The Colts pick 4th.  The Bears pick 1st and they have Justin Fields.  There will be a QB for the Colts available who will cost 25% of what Carr costs.  The Colts have not done great with the retread QBs.  Irsay is not a big spender.  I am sure that is the Colts' plan.  

As a general matter we will look at the draft rankings and predictions, but the QBs will basically gradually rise up the board.  They are valuable and worth taking chances on.  

pretty sure at least from early indications the colts will go all in to try to get CJ stroud in the draft.  

[Larz]

Colts definitely going with a rookie. They have the #4 pick and tried so hard to lose to the Texans 

 

[Joe W. Namath]

I see the Bears flipping Fields to the Ravens and the Ravens trading Jackson.  I am not thrilled with Lamar but compared to Carr its like winning the Powerball.

[Dunnie]

I see the Bears flipping Fields to the Ravens and the Ravens trading Jackson.  I am not thrilled with Lamar but compared to Carr its like winning the Powerball.

Disagree .. Lamar will RG 3 out and Carr is the better bet.

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[JohnnyLV]

1 hour ago, FactsOnly said:

He’s a can

not worth the money

Jimmy Handsome or bust

So Carr is not worth it but the always injured Jimmy G is? Even after seeing Brock frickin Purdy look better than Carr with the same weapons? I mean Brock Purdy. He's a better option than Lamar for sure but that doesn't mean we should sign him.

[Adoni Beast]

There are still plenty of teams that could be heavy competition for Carr.

Titans, Bucs, Saints, Falcons, Panthers, Commanders, possibly Dolphins.

[PepPep]

2 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Carr is awful.  Smart by the Colts.

Awful? Really? Objectively harsh no? Overpaid, too old, overrated, bad in cold weather, throws too many INTs, hasn't won playoff games. Ok, you can make those arguments. But 'awful'. No. Simply incorrect.

You know who's awful? Zach. Zach is awful. That is an objectively fair statement. Right now Zach is an 'awful' starting QB. Easily one of the worst in the NFL. And he is the only one we currently have under contract. Him and the Strev. 

[playtowinthegame]

2 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

I see the Bears flipping Fields to the Ravens and the Ravens trading Jackson.  I am not thrilled with Lamar but compared to Carr its like winning the Powerball.

How much will Lamar Jackson will cost the Jets compared to Carr? Then factor in Lamar Jackson's style of play. Yeah, I'll roll with Carr and hoping he's good enough to win a Super Bowl à la Joe Flacco and Nick Foles. With Carr instead of Jackson the Jets keep all their first-round draft picks going forward instead of watching the Ravens use them. Another thing, Joe W. Namath, the Ravens are a smart franchise...Would you agree to that? Ravens would be making a good decision to not blow their wad on Lamar Jackson knowing his shelf life. Whichever team trades for Lamar Jackson gives up multiple 1st rd picks, and gives him a huge contract, and they'll likely be eating a lot of dead cap space when the window closes on his career - and it's no sure thing a team will win a Super Bowl with Lamar Jackson, who has 1 win in the playoffs. He's 1-3 in the playoffs with the Ravens. He's lost to the Philip Rivers led Chargers in '18, lost to the King Henry Titans in '19, and got humiliated by the Bills in '20. 

Let's look at Jackson's stats in the playoffs.

Year	Age	Tm	G	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Rate
Care	Care		4	1-3	76	136	55.9	900	3	5	68.3
2018	21	BAL	1	0-1	14	29	48.3	194	2	1	78.8
2019*+	22	BAL	1	0-1	31	59	52.5	365	1	2	63.2
2020	23	BAL	2	1-1	31	48	64.6	341	0	2	68.1

 

Year	Age	Tm	G	Rush	Yds	TD	Fmb
Care	Care		4	54	367	1	5
2018	21	BAL	1	9	54	0	3
2019*+	22	BAL	1	20	143	0	1
2020	23	BAL	2	25	170	1	1

 

I'll pass on that. Heck I would even trade for Justin Fields over Lamar Jackson. 

[PepPep]

19 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

There are still plenty of teams that could be heavy competition for Carr.

Titans, Bucs, Saints, Falcons, Panthers, Commanders, possibly Dolphins.

Of course. 

I will say Titans? They have Tannenhill and drafted Malik. I don't see them investing big money in Carr. Maybe. I just don't see it. They would need to cut/trade Tannenhill and keep Malik benched for at least another two years? 

Dolphins? Don't see it either. Unless Tua retires. And I don't think he will. Otherwise, nobody is trading for Tua and if Tua is still a Dolphin, HE will be their starting QB.   

The rest, yes, I could see them making a move. But Falcons and Panthers will also have a shot at drafting a QB (top 10), which might make more sense for them as a franchise than bringing in a high priced vet. 

Saints don't have a draft pick in Rd. 1 but I think its also fair to say they are not quite a 'Carr' away from competing. So again, not sure how much it makes sense for them. Maybe.     

[bla bla bla]

2 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said:

the guy with the most game winning drives since he came into the league is awful. who knew!?

I want Carr, but I think it's fair to say good QBs don't generally HAVE to come from behind but it's a good trait to have none the less. I'd bet his poor defenses and near perfect health has played a factor in him leading this category.