THE BARON Posted January 16, 2023 Author Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 hour ago, VJphillyfan said: Why you think? Because they are both stupid? Compulsive is more like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Claw Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 2 hours ago, SickJetFan said: no comment Oofta. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwave81 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 On 1/13/2023 at 10:03 AM, Stark said: yup no one wants that bad contract. Bad contract?? What? If you trade for him, you'd hope he comes on that contract that exists. He was guaranteed like $65 million. The Raiders already paid him $25 million . He's guaranteed $35 million next year....after which, if he sucks or you want to change directions, his dead cap hit is like $ 5mill in 2024 to cut/release him. That's a good evaluation contract IMO. Problem is, Carr has a NTC...and if he accepts a trade to another team he may ask to have that contract renegotiated for more guarantees...or he can reject a trade and wait for the Raiders to release him outright and subject himself to NFL bidding for his services. I'd love him here on his current deal...and I believe the Jets would too. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Our OL was actually way worse during the Sam yearsStalin was Worse than Hitler Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 16 hours ago, the Claw said: Oofta. he is off my list 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Carr is going to bet on himself, with inside information. Teams will want to trade for him. If Carr wants to help out the Raiders, he will cooperate with the trade. He can decide to stick the trading team with his current contract, which guarantees him $35mm this year and like $5++mm next year (but if the trading team keeps him he costs over $40mm-it could be hard for the trading team to let him go if he plays half way decent). Or Carr can say I am not approving unless I get a new deal. If the trading team says no, the Raiders cut him, and then he negotiates a new deal from scratch. Who knows where that ends up, but I predict 3 years guaranteed at about $35mm. That is a better deal than his current contract, which is why I predict Carr does not approve a trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJCAP2 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 On 1/15/2023 at 2:18 PM, More Cowbell said: McDaniels might be gifting the Jets what they need at exactly the right time. Would be poetic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJCAP2 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 15 minutes ago, varjet said: Carr is going to bet on himself, with inside information. Teams will want to trade for him. If Carr wants to help out the Raiders, he will cooperate with the trade. He can decide to stick the trading team with his current contract, which guarantees him $35mm this year and like $5++mm next year (but if the trading team keeps him he costs over $40mm-it could be hard for the trading team to let him go if he plays half way decent). Or Carr can say I am not approving unless I get a new deal. If the trading team says no, the Raiders cut him, and then he negotiates a new deal from scratch. Who knows where that ends up, but I predict 3 years guaranteed at about $35mm. That is a better deal than his current contract, which is why I predict Carr does not approve a trade. I keep hearing trade compensation regarding Carr…WHY? In exactly a month Carr is guaranteed $40M more unless they cut him. If they cut him they are only out $5M. He’s going to be a UFA. It’s a gift it’s happening is so early in the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 On 1/13/2023 at 9:42 AM, Joe W. Namath said: Carr is awful. Smart by the Colts. I won't go as far as to say he's awful, but he's average at best. And he's a horrible leader. The fact that Jets fans want Carr after how he acted with the Raiders considering we just experienced this dilemma with Wilson as hilarious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwave81 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 8 hours ago, varjet said: Carr is going to bet on himself, with inside information. Teams will want to trade for him. If Carr wants to help out the Raiders, he will cooperate with the trade. He can decide to stick the trading team with his current contract, which guarantees him $35mm this year and like $5++mm next year (but if the trading team keeps him he costs over $40mm-it could be hard for the trading team to let him go if he plays half way decent). Or Carr can say I am not approving unless I get a new deal. If the trading team says no, the Raiders cut him, and then he negotiates a new deal from scratch. Who knows where that ends up, but I predict 3 years guaranteed at about $35mm. That is a better deal than his current contract, which is why I predict Carr does not approve a trade. Wait a minute.... On his current deal he's guaranteed $40 million over the next two years....but he's gonna reject a trade to negotiate a new deal for 3 years guaranteed at $35 million? I suppose you mean 3 yrs at $35 mill/yr or $105 million guaranteed? For Carr, that would be too rich for my blood before he showed he can be successful HERE. But that's just me. And I'm not too sure he'd get that from anyone...but maybe lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwave81 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 7 hours ago, NYJCAP2 said: I keep hearing trade compensation regarding Carr…WHY? In exactly a month Carr is guaranteed $40M more unless they cut him. If they cut him they are only out $5M. He’s going to be a UFA. It’s a gift it’s happening is so early in the process. With Carr, that's the rub....a trading team would probably like him on a residual 2 yr/$40 million guaranteed deal. BUT he has a NTC, and can refuse any trade which will lead him to being cut at which point he can renegotiate a new contract, in all likelihood for more guarantees than $40 million over 2 years. Question then becomes how much IS he worth to the signing team? What's everyones 'price point'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 I want him….but don’t think it’s gonna happen fellas. I hope I’m wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Mogglez said: I want him….but don’t think it’s gonna happen fellas. I hope I’m wrong. Who are you hearing . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 11 minutes ago, chirorob said: Who are you hearing . Very early, so take that for what it’s worth, but this weekend I got the sense from texts that it would be more along the lines of this: That being said, it’s not even a given 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mogglez said: Very early, so take it for what it’s worth, but this weekend I got the sense from texts that it would be more along the lines of this: That being said, it’s not even a given GQ Mike White... No thanks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mogglez said: Very early, so take it for what it’s worth, but this weekend I got the sense from texts that it would be more along the lines of this: That being said, it’s not even a given Oh, that's horrible. He is ALWAYS hurt. And is mediocre when he's healthy. And they just fired the OC that runs the offense he knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 On 1/15/2023 at 7:33 PM, SickJetFan said: no comment 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Seriously want to buy the book. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, Pac said: GQ Mike White... No thanks. 6 minutes ago, chirorob said: Oh, that's horrible. He is ALWAYS hurt. And is mediocre when he's healthy. And they just fired the OC that runs the offense he knows. Not disagreeing. Just heard over the weekend to watch this more than Carr. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guilhermezmc Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 12 minutes ago, Mogglez said: Very early, so take that for what it’s worth, but this weekend I got the sense from texts that it would be more along the lines of this: That being said, it’s not even a given What a amazing experience to be a Jets fan 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cbucco19 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 16 minutes ago, Mogglez said: Very early, so take that for what it’s worth, but this weekend I got the sense from texts that it would be more along the lines of this: That being said, it’s not even a given Well then we mine as well start scouting 2024 QBs and coaches lol .. Jimmy ain’t surviving lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cbucco19 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 If jets sign jimmy they better hope Zach develops because the guy can’t stay healthy behind the best Ol .. imagine here lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 15 minutes ago, Guilhermezmc said: What a amazing experience to be a Jets fan 13 minutes ago, Cbucco19 said: Well then we mine as well start scouting 2024 QBs and coaches lol .. Jimmy ain’t surviving lol He is v hot tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cbucco19 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, Mogglez said: He is v hot tho U actually ruined my night lol The fanbase is going to implode if they sign jimmy g over carr and the other options Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cbucco19 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 However I’m going to hold onto hope From Jake Asman source . He said the Same source that told him lafleur would be fired before it happened .. saying jets and carr have mutual interest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJCAP2 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 9 hours ago, greenwave81 said: With Carr, that's the rub....a trading team would probably like him on a residual 2 yr/$40 million guaranteed deal. BUT he has a NTC, and can refuse any trade which will lead him to being cut at which point he can renegotiate a new contract, in all likelihood for more guarantees than $40 million over 2 years. Question then becomes how much IS he worth to the signing team? What's everyones 'price point'? It’s a 3 year residual though, worth $110M. That’s a different commitment than 2/$40. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 10 hours ago, Mogglez said: Very early, so take that for what it’s worth, but this weekend I got the sense from texts that it would be more along the lines of this: That being said, it’s not even a given yeah starting to think as vet option probably best option but they must draft a guy like Tune, McKee, Haener and try to hit on long shot if they do any of these guys. Gets you to 2024 when things probably start over anyway. but the only way JD/Saleh salvages this program they started with drafting Zach is taking a shot on Jordan Love and Love is actually good/good enough or even if there is another Jordan Love type out there. This gets JD back on that program schedule he would have had with Zach..almost. and gets you a guy with potential upside again and have team grow around him for that year in year out relevance they were promising. of course even if they went after Love they still need to draft one of Tune, McKee, Haener this season as well and have 4 QB in room until it is solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 11 hours ago, Mogglez said: Very early, so take that for what it’s worth, but this weekend I got the sense from texts that it would be more along the lines of this: That being said, it’s not even a given This always seemed to be the most realistic option, but given that their jobs are on the line I'm a little surprised that this seems to be option 1 for Douglas and Salem. If he can stay healthy and we upgrade our Oline and Offensive coach staff - we're a contender. If those things don't happen, new GM, new HC, new QB, new everything 2024. If this is the route we're going I really hope we upgrade the backup QB spot as well. Nothing against Mike White but he's even more injury prone than Garoppolo. Get Jimmy G and Jacoby Brissett (especially if we're hiring this Caley dude from Chowder Land) might as well pair him with QBs he / they are comfortable with, and red shirt Zack Wilson for 2023. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VJphillyfan Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 18 hours ago, Cbucco19 said: If jets sign jimmy they better hope Zach develops because the guy can’t stay healthy behind the best Ol .. imagine here lol Sign both Jimmy G and Mike White to one year deals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkus Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Salad knows Jimmy G well, he saw him firsthand lead his team to a Super Bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 18 hours ago, Mogglez said: Very early, so take that for what it’s worth, but this weekend I got the sense from texts that it would be more along the lines of this: That being said, it’s not even a given Zach Wilson starting by week 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VJphillyfan Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: Zach Wilson starting by week 8. Week 1. Jimmy G is JD’s plan to ninja the bust back into #1 on the depth chart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 18 hours ago, Pac said: GQ Mike White... No thanks. You mean Italian Brady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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