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Beeen saying the same on social media.

Rodgers makes this team instant contenders if everyone is healthy. 

- better WR corps then GB

- Pretty damn good RB duo in Hall/Carter

- Top 5 defense 

- and we know he can play in crap weather unlike Carr.

 

Unsure how the money works out for GB or NYJ - not sure it's doable but at least try.

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5 minutes ago, LockeJET said:

People said the same regarding Wentz’s big dead money hit and we was still dealt. 

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Trading Wentz two years after inking him to an extension will leave the Eagles with $33.82 million in dead money on their 2021 salary cap, the largest dead cap hit in NFL history (surpassing Jared Goff's $22.2 million in L.A.). The willingness to take on that dead money underscores Philly's desire to cut bait with the QB regardless of the costs or return.

 

Taking on double the dead money for Rodgers doesn't seem realistic....even though he's one of my top options from a football standpoint. 

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I would offer a slight alternative to this and replace Hackett with McAdoo.

McAdoo was with Rodgers during his prime and I would just prefer him over Hackett.

I know McAdoo crashed and burned as HC with the Gints - but I am not sure I put 100% of that on him.

Pipe dreams I know but showing up opening day and Rodgers is under center - I would take that. 

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11 minutes ago, k-met57 said:

i feel like this should be talked about more. unless i am missing something this lines up perfectly

 

- rodgers has an inflection point in his contract this offseason which would make a trade more likely if packers want to move to Love

- hackett is coming off a failed HC gig and will be an OC candidate, obv has relationship with rodgers

- hackett and saleh have a working relationship, hackett could take the CEO of the offense type role

- Rodgers + Wilson together creates the mentor narrative that basically removes all QB controversy and lets Wilson sit for a year until TBD

 

what am i missing? 

Nothing. I think this is pretty viable. I’ll tell Woody next time I see him polishing the Donald’s orthotic shoes.

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Can't comment on the money, but this makes a lot more sense to me than committing to Carr or Garappolo.  The Jets are a QB away from being competitive.  Rodgers gives us this. Plus the best possible outcome longer term is for Zach to grow into a FQB.  Rodgers is a 1-2 year bridge that gives the team time to know if they need to draft a QB in 2024-2025.  

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OTC has Rodgers' dead money at $30M if he's traded after June 1st.  Not sure if that's accurate.

 

Either way I think their willingness to eat dead cap will come down to how they feel about Jordan Love.  If he's their guy, I'm guessing they will be willing to make some sacrifices to keep him around.  If they're not sure, then he's probably the one who gets dealt.  

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1 minute ago, peekskill68 said:

Can't comment on the money, but this makes a lot more sense to me than committing to Carr or Garappolo.  The Jets are a QB away from being competitive.  Rodgers gives us this. Plus the best possible outcome longer term is for Zach to grow into a FQB.  Rodgers is a 1-2 year bridge that gives the team time to know if they need to draft a QB in 2024-2025.  

Honestly this is kind of where I'm leaning.  A shorter term option(but still a clear substantial upgrade) which leaves at least some small window open for Zach to reclaim his spot here.  As bad as he looked this year, there is still obviously a lot of talent there, and part of me wants to see what a new OC and QB coach can do with him.

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20 minutes ago, k-met57 said:

i feel like this should be talked about more. unless i am missing something this lines up perfectly

 

- rodgers has an inflection point in his contract this offseason which would make a trade more likely if packers want to move to Love

- hackett is coming off a failed HC gig and will be an OC candidate, obv has relationship with rodgers

- hackett and saleh have a working relationship, hackett could take the CEO of the offense type role

- Rodgers + Wilson together creates the mentor narrative that basically removes all QB controversy and lets Wilson sit for a year until TBD

 

what am i missing? 

I suppose that could work, yes.  Rogers is at the end of his career, but he can still pass and move very well.  I don't know him personally, but the talk is that he is egocentric.  He could be disruptive.  How would he work out with the NY media on the job ??? 

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9 minutes ago, bonkertons said:

OTC has Rodgers' dead money at $30M if he's traded after June 1st.  Not sure if that's accurate.

 

Either way I think their willingness to eat dead cap will come down to how they feel about Jordan Love.  If he's their guy, I'm guessing they will be willing to make some sacrifices to keep him around.  If they're not sure, then he's probably the one who gets dealt.  

hmmm - didn't notice that. 

 

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34 minutes ago, peekskill68 said:

Can't comment on the money, but this makes a lot more sense to me than committing to Carr or Garappolo.  The Jets are a QB away from being competitive.  Rodgers gives us this. Plus the best possible outcome longer term is for Zach to grow into a FQB.  Rodgers is a 1-2 year bridge that gives the team time to know if they need to draft a QB in 2024-2025.  

Jesus, the Jets have to either pick up or deny Wilson's 5th year option after next year. That option will probably be around $30 million.  How could you ever commit to that with him sitting next year behind another QB? Wilson is done here. Some of you guys need to wrap your head around that. 

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8 minutes ago, Pac said:

If it's possible they should def be all in on Rodgers and if not him then Jordan Love. 

A Carr signing would be catastrophic. 

Jordan Love sucks, if he didn't they wouldn't have just guaranteed Rodgers all that money prior to last season. They would've traded Rodgers and moved in a different direction with Love. The teams actions tell you all you need to know about how they feel about Love and his future. The next domino to fall will be when they don't pick up his 5th year option. GB isn't trading Rodgers bc they don't have an alternative and the extension they gave him a year ago proves that. 

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2 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said:

The Packers would take a $68mm dead money hit to trade Rodgers. Seems prohibitive.

I think Rodgers contract essentially has a no trade clause. Rodgers cap hit allows him to dictate if he wants to retire or be traded to a team he wants and waive his Pre-June bonus

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1 hour ago, choon328 said:

Jordan Love sucks, if he didn't they wouldn't have just guaranteed Rodgers all that money prior to last season. They would've traded Rodgers and moved in a different direction with Love. The teams actions tell you all you need to know about how they feel about Love and his future. The next domino to fall will be when they don't pick up his 5th year option. GB isn't trading Rodgers bc they don't have an alternative and the extension they gave him a year ago proves that. 

The whole reason Rodgers being traded is even a discussion is because of Loves ascension behind the scenes. 

I don't think the Pack give a flying fk if Rodgers isn't on the team next year.  They have their starter for 2023 and his name is Jordan mfkng Love. 

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11 minutes ago, football guy said:

Don't know who will read this lol, but acquiring Aaron Rodgers would potentially solve a lot of issues long-term, and could keep this administration intact for a long-time to come. 

  1. He's the one QB out there that probably won't require a long-term commitment but also catapults the Jets into playoff/championship contention immediately. He's the superstar QB who comes with a superstar salary, but he will not require the kind of long-term commitment and compensation that more suspect players like Lamar Jackson (injury history, sustainable play) and Derek Carr (meh) would require. I know its easy to say "the Jets would be a playoff team with Carr", but I find that hard to believe... you can't expect the defense to be as good as it was in the 2022 season- some regression is only natural. The offense will be new and there will be a learning curve. An elite QB mitigates that. Carr has a 63-79 career record and only 1 year of playoff experience. Lamar's injuries are piling up and given that he's a younger player with a certain playing style, it may not be a situation where he comes in and thrives immediately. Of all options, I don't think its such an overstatement to suggest he has the best chance at succeeding immediately, which is what we're looking for. 
  2. Aaron also gives you a lot more flexibility with your OL, which is an underrated aspect in all of this. We have enough talent when healthy to be stable-to-good, and the Jets will surely add more pieces throughout the offseason (some of which will be inexperienced). Aaron helps neutralize some of the inexperience because of his ability to read defenses/adjust blocking protections as well as process and release quickly... with Rodgers, that blitz/rush rate would drop significantly. 
  3. Whether it makes sense to you or not, people inside the building wholeheartedly believe Zach Wilson can still become a high-end starter. The old fashion way to deal with players like him is to provide them a change of scenery. The best way to do that without moving on from him would be to foster a situation with new personnel in the QB room (and at OC) that allow you to essentially "start over" and treat him like a rookie all over again. There are a lot of things that have gone wrong, but if Zach is going to rebuild his confidence and learn the commodity QB stuff, its probably best by doing so in the background- easier said then done, but a situation like this probably gives you the best shot at having him realize his potential in your own building. 
  4. Part of it requires some buy-in from the players involved. If we were to hire Hackett, that's a potential draw for Aaron. The Jets have a lot of skill on offense. Aaron's girlfriend lives in NY most of the year. Zach's idol is Aaron Rodgers and has been the current active player he turns to for advice. Steve Young, another mentor of Zach's, infamously sat and waited behind a HOF QB after being a highly touted draft pick who struggled mightily in his first 2 seasons. So there's a lot of connective tissue there to think it could go amicably. 
  5. Assuming Aaron were to play for 2 more years, you can still find ways to monitor Zach's progress in the background, but also bring in more young QBs to develop in the event he doesn't work out... perfect example: after Aaron finally became the de facto starter in his 4th year, the Packers spent a 2nd round pick on Brian Brohm as insurance. If what the Jets see out of Zach is sufficient, they can afford to take a similar approach. 
  6. With success comes job security, so assuming all went according to plan it buys Joe Douglas-Robert Saleh more years to see out their vision for the team. That could include everything from moving forward with Wilson post-Rodgers or simply drafting and developing another QB as the successor. 

OK- so how much would this 3-year plan cost?

  • Trade compensation: it wouldn't cost more than what Denver sent to Seattle because Rodgers is much older, has a contract in place already, and has made it clear this is most likely his final NFL contract. Having been said, it's probably going to cost two 1st round picks. Yes, the 13th pick is a heavy price to pay, but if things went according to plan that 2024 1st would be much further down the order. Given the talent we've been able to influx over the past 2 years, this would be digestible. 
  • Aaron is due a ton of money over the remainder of his contract. The biggest factor is his $58.3 million guaranteed option bonus due at some point during the 2023 season (March-final game). It's all very technical and complex, but the Jets can trade for him, pick up the option, and spread it out through the final 2 years + 2 dummy "void" years of the deal, making the cap hits more manageable. If he were to retire after one year there would be some relief. The caveat would be high dead-cap bills in 2025-26, but with the salary cap rising exponentially each year, this may not be that big of an issue. 
  • This is where things get interesting. If the Jets are smitten with Zach's progress throughout 2023 behind the scenes and are confident enough to move forward with him as the starter on a "prove-it" deal, the Jets can pickup his option for 2025. Assuming Rodgers were to play at least 26% of the snaps next year, Zach would not be eligible for any of the high-end option escalators because he would not have met playing time or pro-bowl qualifications. Given such, his 5th year option would likely cost around $20 million. Given how much QBs are getting, this will be an extremely affordable salary for a starting QB in 2025 - a year where having a cheap starter will be beneficial given the dead-cap tied into the Rodgers deal. If they are not smitten with his progress, they can simply decline the option and move forward with a draft pick from 2024-25 or another veteran. 
  • If the scenario were to play out that included Zach playing in 2025 on his option, you can either (1) let him walk if he's not good enough; (2) negotiate and try to reach an extension; or (3) franchise tag him if all else fails. 

 

Of all the QBs available, Aaron Rodgers is who I want and who I think Woody Johnson and Joe Douglas would be most interested in. Time will tell if I'm right 

I will buy you the finest steak dinner if you have any inside pull to making this happen.

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23 minutes ago, football guy said:

Don't know who will read this lol, but acquiring Aaron Rodgers would potentially solve a lot of issues long-term, and could keep this administration intact for a long-time to come. 

  1. He's the one QB out there that probably won't require a long-term commitment but also catapults the Jets into playoff/championship contention immediately. He's the superstar QB who comes with a superstar salary, but he will not require the kind of long-term commitment and compensation that more suspect players like Lamar Jackson (injury history, sustainable play) and Derek Carr (meh) would require. I know its easy to say "the Jets would be a playoff team with Carr", but I find that hard to believe... you can't expect the defense to be as good as it was in the 2022 season- some regression is only natural. The offense will be new and there will be a learning curve. An elite QB mitigates that. Carr has a 63-79 career record and only 1 year of playoff experience. Lamar's injuries are piling up and given that he's a younger player with a certain playing style, it may not be a situation where he comes in and thrives immediately. Of all options, I don't think its such an overstatement to suggest he has the best chance at succeeding immediately, which is what we're looking for. 
  2. Aaron also gives you a lot more flexibility with your OL, which is an underrated aspect in all of this. We have enough talent when healthy to be stable-to-good, and the Jets will surely add more pieces throughout the offseason (some of which will be inexperienced). Aaron helps neutralize some of the inexperience because of his ability to read defenses/adjust blocking protections as well as process and release quickly... with Rodgers, that blitz/rush rate would drop significantly. 
  3. Whether it makes sense to you or not, people inside the building wholeheartedly believe Zach Wilson can still become a high-end starter. The old fashion way to deal with players like him is to provide them a change of scenery. The best way to do that without moving on from him would be to foster a situation with new personnel in the QB room (and at OC) that allow you to essentially "start over" and treat him like a rookie all over again. There are a lot of things that have gone wrong, but if Zach is going to rebuild his confidence and learn the commodity QB stuff, its probably best by doing so in the background- easier said then done, but a situation like this probably gives you the best shot at having him realize his potential in your own building. 
  4. Part of it requires some buy-in from the players involved. If we were to hire Hackett, that's a potential draw for Aaron. The Jets have a lot of skill on offense. Aaron's girlfriend lives in NY most of the year. Zach's idol is Aaron Rodgers and has been the current active player he turns to for advice. Steve Young, another mentor of Zach's, infamously sat and waited behind a HOF QB after being a highly touted draft pick who struggled mightily in his first 2 seasons. So there's a lot of connective tissue there to think it could go amicably. 
  5. Assuming Aaron were to play for 2 more years, you can still find ways to monitor Zach's progress in the background, but also bring in more young QBs to develop in the event he doesn't work out... perfect example: after Aaron finally became the de facto starter in his 4th year, the Packers spent a 2nd round pick on Brian Brohm as insurance. If what the Jets see out of Zach is sufficient, they can afford to take a similar approach. 
  6. With success comes job security, so assuming all went according to plan it buys Joe Douglas-Robert Saleh more years to see out their vision for the team. That could include everything from moving forward with Wilson post-Rodgers or simply drafting and developing another QB as the successor. 

OK- so how much would this 3-year plan cost?

  • Trade compensation: it wouldn't cost more than what Denver sent to Seattle because Rodgers is much older, has a contract in place already, and has made it clear this is most likely his final NFL contract. Having been said, it's probably going to cost two 1st round picks. Yes, the 13th pick is a heavy price to pay, but if things went according to plan that 2024 1st would be much further down the order. Given the talent we've been able to influx over the past 2 years, this would be digestible. 
  • Aaron is due a ton of money over the remainder of his contract. The biggest factor is his $58.3 million guaranteed option bonus due at some point during the 2023 season (March-final game). It's all very technical and complex, but the Jets can trade for him, pick up the option, and spread it out through the final 2 years + 2 dummy "void" years of the deal, making the cap hits more manageable. If he were to retire after one year there would be some relief. The caveat would be high dead-cap bills in 2025-26, but with the salary cap rising exponentially each year, this may not be that big of an issue. 
  • This is where things get interesting. If the Jets are smitten with Zach's progress throughout 2023 behind the scenes and are confident enough to move forward with him as the starter on a "prove-it" deal, the Jets can pickup his option for 2025. Assuming Rodgers were to play at least 26% of the snaps next year, Zach would not be eligible for any of the high-end option escalators because he would not have met playing time or pro-bowl qualifications. Given such, his 5th year option would likely cost around $20 million. Given how much QBs are getting, this will be an extremely affordable salary for a starting QB in 2025 - a year where having a cheap starter will be beneficial given the dead-cap tied into the Rodgers deal. If they are not smitten with his progress, they can simply decline the option and move forward with a draft pick from 2024-25 or another veteran. 
  • If the scenario were to play out that included Zach playing in 2025 on his option, you can either (1) let him walk if he's not good enough; (2) negotiate and try to reach an extension; or (3) franchise tag him if all else fails. 

 

Of all the QBs available, Aaron Rodgers is who I want and who I think Woody Johnson and Joe Douglas would be most interested in. Time will tell if I'm right 

Hmmm. Is Aaron Rodgers still “elite” or a “superstar” as you claim? 
 

This year, he was:

26th in QBR this year - 1 spot behind matt Ryan and 1 spot ahead of Russell Wilson.

20th in completion percentage - behind Andy Dalton and Mac Jones, among others 

23rd in yards/attempt - behind jacoby Brisseett and Russell Wilson, among others 

 

 

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