Popular Post pointman Posted January 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2023 The idea that we are turning down Lamar as if we are doing so well at Qb is insane to me. The money, its Woody's. Who cares. "but pointman, thats money we can't spend elsewhere". Other GMs spend and make it work. An elite QB costs. Let Woody pay. Mike White in the same sentence as Lamar is comical. White was a cute story, but he isn't a starting QB. And did I see Jacoby Brissetts name mentioned? Jacoby. Brissett. The best part about Brissett is that his name sounds like Brisket. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peteo Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 My short answer is do not get Lamar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 42 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: …The Ravens got his 5 best years. We'd be paying more for the past than his future. ^^^^^ this is same the guy who is arguing to sign Tom Brady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreened Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 12 minutes ago, pointman said: Is that real??? He. Wants. To be. A JET!? He wants whoever will pay him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, Warfish said: You and I think very differently then. If in fact he is skipping the playoff game out of fiscal self-interest, I want nothing to do with that kind of player. Of course I want nothing to do with him anyway, but I’d want even less that before. Guy who sells out his team, in the playoffs, is a dick. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreened Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Just now, Rhg1084 said: This is like taking Steve Young’s opinion of the Zach Wilson situation seriously 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rhg1084 Posted January 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 minute ago, GangGreened said: This is like taking Steve Young’s opinion of the Zach Wilson situation seriously So Lamar should go out and play injured? Lol ok 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, Green Ghost said: ^^^^^ this is same the guy who is arguing to sign Tom Brady. Brady's contract will be short-term (1-2 years) and he got $15M last year (assuming I understand sportrac). Lamar's contract will be for the long-term (maybe ~7 years) at elite QB money. Lamar is breaking down while TB12 is still putting up elite QB stats. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tampa-bay-buccaneers/tom-brady-4619/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, GangGreened said: He wants whoever will pay him From your lips to God's ears. Pay the man! (with woody's money) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, Peteo said: My short answer is do not get Lamar What do you know, Petco!? Go back to Durham and take a nap! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasyt Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 38 minutes ago, Awesumtenor said: Roquan Smith just negotiated a 100 million dollar deal without an agent…with the Ravens… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 9 minutes ago, GangGreened said: This is like taking Steve Young’s opinion of the Zach Wilson situation seriously It’s not at all like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreened Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, pointman said: From your lips to God's ears. Pay the man! (with woody's money) Don’t forget about the draft picks! I forgot we are in a superbowl window though. So nevermind! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Just now, GangGreened said: Don’t forget about the draft picks! I forgot we are in a superbowl window though. So nevermind! Trading with two ones is painful. I was thinking straight pickup for Woody's dad's cash. Argh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awesumtenor Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 56 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: He's got a great arm but he's not a true pocket passer (and the WR was wide open in that tweet, btw). When his legs break down then he's not worth what it'll cost to acquire and sign him. The Ravens got his 5 best years. We'd be paying more for the past than his future. Bill Belichick disagrees with you… https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10049752-bill-belichick-lamar-jackson-without-a-doubt-has-proven-himself-as-pocket-passer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 I’m not even sure I want Lamar Jackson here with the Jets. To be honest, I’m leaning against it, but the arguments people are making not to get him are incredibly bad. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 57 minutes ago, GangGreened said: Why doesn’t LJ have an agent? Is it really true he’s too cheap to pay for one? Do any other players of notoriety do this? Because he's an idiot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 The people who don’t want the Jets to get Lamar would also be up in arms talking about how the Jets are doomed for a decade and same old Jets if Miami got him. Sure he has his problems, like any player who changes teams, but he is an elite playmaker and QB. The Jets have never ever had a QB of his talent 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsAddict Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, Green Ghost said: I’m not even sure I want Lamar Jackson here with the Jets. To be honest, I’m leaning against it, but the arguments people are making not to get him are incredibly bad. The options are pretty simple You want to keep the picks and go after Carr/Jimmy or give up picks and go after Jackson. Jackson gives the Jets the best chance of a long term answer at QB. Jimmy G and Carr are at best stop gaps 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, Green Ghost said: I’m not even sure I want Lamar Jackson here with the Jets. To be honest, I’m leaning against it, but the arguments people are making not to get him are incredibly bad. Are you kidding me? Better options. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 To me it comes down to this. Nobody here would say we aren’t in desperate need of a QB. The question then becomes do you think we are a very good QB away from contending for a Super Bowl? If you say yes, then you sign a Lamar Jackson, because he is the best QB likely to be available. If you say no, then you continue the “rebuild”, bring in someone who gives you close to average level QB play at a low price, keep Wilson and hope he becomes better than that guy. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 On 1/13/2023 at 12:28 PM, johnnysd said: Carr is a better option if you have to go down that road and he will likely be released. I want ZERO parts of Carr. He's not that good, and he's a horrible leader. He lacks self awareness and accountability. It got so bad, the Raiders had to keep him away from the team because he became too much of a distraction. And this isn't even a kid like Zach Wilson, this is a 30 year old man. The fact that people are pushing for Carr after what we went through with Wilson is hilarious ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 hour ago, GangGreened said: Why doesn’t LJ have an agent? Is it really true he’s too cheap to pay for one? Do any other players of notoriety do this? Rather than pay an agent a % of his contract, he pays a lawyer to work out his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 13 minutes ago, Awesumtenor said: Bill Belichick disagrees with you… https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10049752-bill-belichick-lamar-jackson-without-a-doubt-has-proven-himself-as-pocket-passer I thought I posted a reply before but maybe it didn't go through. BB said that before a game. He always gasses an opponent up before a game. And while Lamar can be an effective passer, the part of his game that makes him a star is his legs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 19 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Brady's contract will be short-term (1-2 years) and he got $15M last year (assuming I understand sportrac). Lamar's contract will be for the long-term (maybe ~7 years) at elite QB money. Lamar is breaking down while TB12 is still putting up elite QB stats. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tampa-bay-buccaneers/tom-brady-4619/ Tom took a discount before to get pieces around him. He doesn't have momma Gisele bank rolling his life anymore even if he does get that spousal support he is praying for. Lamar doesn't have that luxury. #tombradysadeadbeat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 minute ago, King P said: I want ZERO parts of Carr. He's not that good, and he's a horrible leader. He lacks self awareness and accountability. It got so bad, the Raiders had to keep him away from the team because he became too much of a distraction. And this isn't even a kid like Zach Wilson, this is a 30 year old man. The fact that people are pushing for Carr after what we went through with Wilson is hilarious ? I'm with you. The unfortunate truth is that we're probably screwed. The only QB that seems like a good fit, imo, is TB12. But it probably won't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, pointman said: Tom took a discount before to get pieces around him. He doesn't have momma Gisele bank rolling his life anymore even if he does get that spousal support he is praying for. Lamar doesn't have that luxury. #tombradysadeadbeat I'd be fine paying TB12 big money. He's only getting a 1-2 year deal anyway. If he falls off a cliff, it's only a short-term problem. But you'd also be getting Super Bowl upside with him. If you trade for Lamar, he's going to get an albatross contract. Heck, if we sign Carr, he'll demand a slightly shorter albatross contract. If those guys don't work out, we're stuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, JetsAddict said: The options are pretty simple You want to keep the picks and go after Carr/Jimmy or give up picks and go after Jackson. Jackson gives the Jets the best chance of a long term answer at QB. Jimmy G and Carr are at best stop gaps Those are not the only options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 25 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said: Remember this when/if it’s our teams shot at a Super Bowl he screws over. We’d see how consistent you all would be then, lol. PS Garbage RG3 is exactly why I’d never invest in Lamar. Same selfishness, same limited lifespan as an NFL QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 52 minutes ago, carlito1171 said: I hope the same people who don't want Lamar aren't the same people who want to sign Daniel Jones.... oh my the irony if that's the case ? Is Jones available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said: Are you kidding me? Better options. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 minute ago, TuscanyTile2 said: I'd be fine paying TB12 big money. He's only getting a 1-2 year deal anyway. If he falls off a cliff, it's only a short-term issue. If you trade for Lamar, he's going to get an albatross contract. Heck, if we sign Carr, he'll demand a slightly shorter albatross contract. If those guys don't work out, we're stuck. If they work out, we are set for years! And have a shot at getting to the big dance. A shot we haven't had in a long long time. The downside is a sh1t contract for a few years. With all the years we have suffered, the upside is worth the gamble in my book. I have zero confidence this regime, owner, team, whatever can find and develop a QB on its own. Roll the dice on a proven commodity and let it be a great decision or just woody wasting more of his dads money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, Dcat said: Is Jones available? He most certainly is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsAddict Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, Dcat said: Is Jones available? Sorry, I’m not handing out a huge contract to DJ after a 15 TD and 6.8 YPA season. Jackson has a five year track record. Jones does not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, pointman said: If they work out, we are set for years! And have a shot at getting to the big dance. A shot we haven't had in a long long time. The downside is a sh1t contract for a few years. With all the years we have suffered, the upside is worth the gamble in my book. I have zero confidence this regime, owner, team, whatever can find and develop a QB on its own. Roll the dice on a proven commodity and let it be a great decision or just woody wasting more of his dads money. Betting on Lamar to give us 7 years of great QB play seems very low-probability to me. His legs are his game and he's already breaking down. Carr is mediocre and doesn't elevate his team but will be paid like an elite QB. He will cost us the chance to re-sign some of our star young players. TB12 is lower cost (plus wouldn't require a trade), short-term commitment, and with Super Bowl upside. And if there's really any belief about developing ZW, he'll be the best mentor. TB12 is EASILY the best option we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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