Lamar Jackson talk is completely triggering me

[GangGreened]

17 minutes ago, PS17 said:

I’d hate having an MVP QB. 
 

DO

NOT 

WANT

Three years ago, and hasn’t approached a season like that since. Similar to Cam Newton, it’s not gonna get better. 

[Untouchable]

31 minutes ago, PS17 said:

I’d hate having an MVP QB. 
 

DO

NOT 

WANT

The dude is an exciting player and I would certainly prefer him over the puke-inducing sh*t that we currently have, but there are valid concerns.

He’s missed a good chunk of the last two seasons, you’d be giving up multiple 1st round picks and dishing out the biggest contract in NFL history to obtain him, his game HEAVILY relies upon his legs and you need a specific offensive system catered to his strengths.

2-3 years from now when that 4.3 speed is beginning to diminish, you can’t help but wonder what kind of player you’re going to be left with.

If the Jets had any real balls and common sense, they would do what it takes to lure Brady or make a move for Rodgers and immediately have a Super Bowl window, however small it may be.

You may even be able to rehab Wilson into something at least serviceable if that were the case. Maybe not Mahomes or Josh Allen-esque, but something along the lines of a more physically gifted Alex Smith.

At the end of the day, all of this sh*t is moot. The Jets are going to bring in Carr and I won’t blame them one bit. He may never win a championship during his time here, but he’ll give us the best sustained QB play we’ve had since the early years of Namath and will at least make the Jets respectable and a consistent playoff contender.

[GangGreened]

Also the stuff that this kid was tweeting at fans.. just smh. Clearly too emotional or not the smartest guy around.

[fltflo]

I’m on the bandwagon of, you bring in D Carr and along side of him a promising rookie. BTW, not Zack, wish him the best but that ship has sailed as far as the Jets are concerned. A fresh start would be best for both parties. I would keep White if he chooses to stay as my backup. If not, any journeyman quarterback, until a rookie is ready.


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[hawk]

I am sure as soon as he gets paid huge money all of his Injuries will go away.  

[T0mShane]

57 minutes ago, derp said:

So I think you overrate Purdy’s significance for them. He’s a product of his circumstances IMO and isn’t putting up big numbers.

Lance is bigger and more athletic than Wilson without two years of horrific tape at the NFL level. In a vacuum Lance has tons more trade value than Wilson. You’re betting on a tremendous amount of hubris from Shanahan - which is possible. But I think this underestimates how damaged an asset Wilson is. I think they’d have to add a 2 or 3 to Wilson to get Jordan Love for example so I don’t know why he’d get Lance in return.

I think the Niners are going to beat the pants off the Seahawks, probably be a coin flip vs the Eagles, and then steamroll any of the Cowboys, Vikings, or Giants. Unless Purdy melts down vs the Eagles, he’s got to go into 2023 as the heavy favorite to be their starter. He’s thrown 13 TDs on 170 attempts in an offense that Lance did not look good in. I don’t think Shanahan cares that Lance can run. He’s the same coach that went to the Super Bowl with the least traitsy QB of all time in Garoppolo, and he allegedly wanted to replace Garoppolo with an even less traitsy guy in Mac Jones. Also, allegedly, he wanted to start Kirk Cousins over RGIII in Washington. I don’t see how anyone would conclude that he’s watching Purdy right now and feeling any urgency to get Lance back in the lineup. 
 

 

[derp]

5 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I think the Niners are going to beat the pants off the Seahawks, probably be a coin flip vs the Eagles, and then steamroll any of the Cowboys, Vikings, or Giants. Unless Purdy melts down vs the Eagles, he’s got to go into 2023 as the heavy favorite to be their starter. He’s thrown 13 TDs on 170 attempts in an offense that Lance did not look good in. I don’t think Shanahan cares that Lance can run. He’s the same coach that went to the Super Bowl with the least traitsy QB of all time in Garoppolo, and he allegedly wanted to replace Garoppolo with an even less traitsy guy in Mac Jones. Also, allegedly, he wanted to start Kirk Cousins over RGIII in Washington. I don’t see how anyone would conclude that he’s watching Purdy right now and feeling any urgency to get Lance back in the lineup. 
 

 

I view the situation a little differently than you, which is fine. I think Shanahan observed how limited the offense was with Garoppolo and wanted to expand it, thus the trade up to draft a more talented quarterback. Purdy is more Garoppolo, the limited guy he wanted to replace, than anything else. He is performing adequately with elite skill talent and an elite defense in a QB friendly system. If they lose in the playoffs, which they almost certainly will, it’ll be because Purdy isn’t good enough. Everything else is in place.

It’s not just the running, though it’s nice to hold the edge in the zone scheme, but the arm talent. Lance played one game in a downpour this year, there’s a lot less of him than there is of Wilson. And if he wanted Jones or a limited QB he would’ve taken one of those guys, he wanted Lance.

Also, if the traits don’t matter to Shanahan then what’s the appeal of Wilson? Literally the only thing he has shown is arm talent - not accuracy, decision making, ability to handle pressure, etc. 

Ultimately I think the trade up was about having everything in place but the QB to win a Super Bowl. Same idea as the Rams with Stafford. I think this is the best team they’ve had around the QB, they really went all in with the CMC trade and have the best defense in the league. Unless they win a Super Bowl with Purdy, it’ll be more of the same, and I don’t think they’re winning a Super Bowl with Purdy. Again, anything they lose is because he’s not good enough. If you take the QB out of the equation I think they’re the best team in the playoffs and I don’t think it’s especially close.

[T0mShane]

34 minutes ago, derp said:

I view the situation a little differently than you, which is fine. I think Shanahan observed how limited the offense was with Garoppolo and wanted to expand it, thus the trade up to draft a more talented quarterback. Purdy is more Garoppolo, the limited guy he wanted to replace, than anything else. He is performing adequately with elite skill talent and an elite defense in a QB friendly system. If they lose in the playoffs, which they almost certainly will, it’ll be because Purdy isn’t good enough. Everything else is in place.

It’s not just the running, though it’s nice to hold the edge in the zone scheme, but the arm talent. Lance played one game in a downpour this year, there’s a lot less of him than there is of Wilson. And if he wanted Jones or a limited QB he would’ve taken one of those guys, he wanted Lance.

Also, if the traits don’t matter to Shanahan then what’s the appeal of Wilson? Literally the only thing he has shown is arm talent - not accuracy, decision making, ability to handle pressure, etc. 

Ultimately I think the trade up was about having everything in place but the QB to win a Super Bowl. Same idea as the Rams with Stafford. I think this is the best team they’ve had around the QB, they really went all in with the CMC trade and have the best defense in the league. Unless they win a Super Bowl with Purdy, it’ll be more of the same, and I don’t think they’re winning a Super Bowl with Purdy. Again, anything they lose is because he’s not good enough. If you take the QB out of the equation I think they’re the best team in the playoffs and I don’t think it’s especially close.

I guess we’ll see, but I’m guessing Shanahan sticks with the bird in the hand when it’s all said and done. 

[dbatesman]

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

It is my long-held belief that San Fran traded up to 3 in anticipation of Team Wilson pulling an Eli Manning on the Jets, and when that didn’t happen, Lynch took the guy he wanted in Trey Lance, but Shanahan wanted no part of. Shanahan plays who he wants, and a lot of those draftees fall by the wayside as a result. Given that Purdy looks like a stud, Lance is going to get Trey Sermon’d anyway, so why wouldn’t they flip him for the guy Shanahan originally wanted? From the Jets perspective, you trade out an extremely unpopular, polarizing but traitsy draft pick for an even more traitsy, but unknown draft pick so Douglas saves face unless Wilson becomes a star in San Fran…which is unlikely. You get rid of Zach, and his mom, and Steve Young. Sign whatever vet and work on developing Lance in the background. Wins all around. 

Hard for me to see Shanahan this marginalized in the process, but I’m with you on the general principle. I would love to see them take a swing on a high-ceiling guy like Lance or Jordan Love. It’ll never happen because everyone is in ass-saving mode and only looking for high-floor guys like Carr or Garoppolo, but a man can dream.

[derp]

25 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I guess we’ll see, but I’m guessing Shanahan sticks with the bird in the hand when it’s all said and done. 

I guess the difference in opinion is that he’s only the bird in the hand if they win the Super Bowl. That team is loaded aside from him. But we’ll see.

[Larz]

If lamar wants 50 mill he can get it somewhere else.  There’s a reason the packers had to let Adams walk and the chiefs had to let hill walk. In a hard cap sport you can’t pay 2 guys crazy money, only 1.  I think the jets are shopping in the jimmy g neighborhood, maybe tannehill lol. 

 

 

[SickJetFan]

30 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Hard for me to see Shanahan this marginalized in the process, but I’m with you on the general principle. I would love to see them take a swing on a high-ceiling guy like Lance or Jordan Love. It’ll never happen because everyone is in ass-saving mode and only looking for high-floor guys like Carr or Garoppolo, but a man can dream.

I’d love for jets to trade Moore and draft pick for Love….could happen…small chance but win win for both teams, Moore, love, and rogers all benefit

[Dcat]

1 hour ago, hawk said:

I am sure as soon as he gets paid huge money all of his Injuries will go away.  

He's skipping the playoffs for a contract and not injury?  yeah sure.

[ASH1962]

9 hours ago, BigRy56 said:

Yeah, who doesn’t want an MVP QB after having the worst quarterback play ever for the last 3 seasons

+1

What's funnier is the fans who are methodically hating on Lamar Jackson, are actually taking this nonsense about his coming here seriously! The Baltimore Ravens have not become the model organization, being good forever and being contenders every single season by being a bunch of dumbasses. Lamar Jackson is going nowhere. Good grief.

[Sammybighead]

Haven't checked the whole thread but has anyone addressed the logistics of a run at Lamar? 

He's gonna get tagged sometime between mid Feb and 1st week of March. He'd have to sign the franchise tag with the understanding that he'd be allowed to seek a trade. If we wait until then to see if the ravens actually do allow him to seek a trade, we risk missing out on carr and being left with no options. The ravens may tag him and have no intention to trade him and just force him to play on the tag or sit. 

Seems risky. 

From a football perspective, I'm 100% in, however. But logistics and assets we'd have to give up make it tough...

[VJphillyfan]

53 minutes ago, Sammybighead said:

Haven't checked the whole thread but has anyone addressed the logistics of a run at Lamar? 

He's gonna get tagged sometime between mid Feb and 1st week of March. He'd have to sign the franchise tag with the understanding that he'd be allowed to seek a trade. If we wait until then to see if the ravens actually do allow him to seek a trade, we risk missing out on carr and being left with no options. The ravens may tag him and have no intention to trade him and just force him to play on the tag or sit. 

Seems risky. 

From a football perspective, I'm 100% in, however. But logistics and assets we'd have to give up make it tough...

He’s gonna cost multiple firsts plus a huge contract that will wreck us 4-5 years from now 

[VJphillyfan]

8 hours ago, kevinc855 said:

Yes, so an MVP and 30 plus Toucdown season would like to have a word with you

Have you seen Lamar Jackson actually play football?

[VJphillyfan]

10 hours ago, T0mShane said:

You can’t entertain the Rodgers trade because, like Favre, he’s a me-first a$$hole who’s always going to play the retirement card. 

Maybe Rodgers bad attitude is what we need. Woody asskissery has resulted in 15 years no playoffs and the league’s worst record last 6 years

[Awesumtenor]

14 hours ago, johnnysd said:

 

 

3. He is not a pocket passer throwing mostly to the TE and we do not have Mark Andrews

You’re out of your tree. Lamar throws 71% of his passes from the pocket with a QB rating of 91.1. He throws mostly to Mark Andrews because he has no one else. The Ravens have drafted receivers like we have drafted quarterbacks…early and often and none have panned out. If we were to get Lamar, he would have the best receiving corps he’s ever had in the NFL.

4. He requires a completely unique offense just for him.  We don't have the coaching or players to support him

Lamar has been running pro set offenses with pre-snap reads and full field progressions since his freshman year at Louisville. Of all of the first round QB’s selected the year he was drafted, he was the only one who was doing that. While the Ravens have added plays to their offense to incorporate RPO looks, the majority of their passing offense is run with 11 personnel and Lamar throwing from the pocket.

You make him sound like he’s the black Tim Tebow; that is disrespectful and utterly ignorant of who he is as a player.

 

 

[GreenFish]

Society is breaking down. lol. How the hell does that trigger you?

[oatmeal]

https://nesn.com/2023/01/why-lamar-jackson-ravens-drama-could-ultimately-become-patriots-problem/amp/

“Why Lamar Jackson-Ravens Drama Could Ultimately Become Patriots Problem“

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If they do, the New York Jets should be one of the first teams to make a call. The Jets are in the unique position of having a tremendously skilled roster at just about every position other than quarterback. Zach Wilson has talent, but he hasn’t made much of it in two years, and while Mike White has been a nice fill-in, he can’t seem to stay healthy.

It’s no surprise the Jets might be enthralled by the idea of landing Jackson.

“The one wild card that I would not rule out if he is made available because things are getting a little funky down there in Baltimore is Lamar Jackson,” SNY’s Connor Hughes recently said. If he’s made available and the Ravens are willing to listen to offers, the Jets will do everything they can to position themselves to make a very, very, very compelling offer for Lamar Jackson.”

The price tag for such a move would be astronomical. The Cleveland Browns last March traded three consecutive first-round picks to Houston for Deshaun Watson. They then gave Watson a five-year, $230 million fully guaranteed contract — despite all of the baggage he brought with him. Jackson is arguably better than Watson and doesn’t come with anywhere near as many headaches for off-field transgressions.

But it’s obviously something the Jets should do. Maybe they could lessen the draft capital cost by including Wilson in the deal, but even if they had to give up a few years’ worth of first-round picks, it’s worth it. They are a quarterback away from being a legitimate Super Bowl contender. Jackson isn’t without flaws, but he’d instantly become the most talented quarterback in Jets history, and they would be in the mix for a title from Day 1.”

 

 

[Dunnie]

https://nesn.com/2023/01/why-lamar-jackson-ravens-drama-could-ultimately-become-patriots-problem/amp/
“Why Lamar Jackson-Ravens Drama Could Ultimately Become Patriots Problem“
“
If they do, the New York Jets should be one of the first teams to make a call. The Jets are in the unique position of having a tremendously skilled roster at just about every position other than quarterback. Zach Wilson has talent, but he hasn’t made much of it in two years, and while Mike White has been a nice fill-in, he can’t seem to stay healthy.
It’s no surprise the Jets might be enthralled by the idea of landing Jackson.
“The one wild card that I would not rule out if he is made available because things are getting a little funky down there in Baltimore is Lamar Jackson,” SNY’s Connor Hughes recently said. If he’s made available and the Ravens are willing to listen to offers, the Jets will do everything they can to position themselves to make a very, very, very compelling offer for Lamar Jackson.”
The price tag for such a move would be astronomical. The Cleveland Browns last March traded three consecutive first-round picks to Houston for Deshaun Watson. They then gave Watson a five-year, $230 million fully guaranteed contract — despite all of the baggage he brought with him. Jackson is arguably better than Watson and doesn’t come with anywhere near as many headaches for off-field transgressions.
But it’s obviously something the Jets should do. Maybe they could lessen the draft capital cost by including Wilson in the deal, but even if they had to give up a few years’ worth of first-round picks, it’s worth it. They are a quarterback away from being a legitimate Super Bowl contender. Jackson isn’t without flaws, but he’d instantly become the most talented quarterback in Jets history, and they would be in the mix for a title from Day 1.”
 
 

Ok ...

Completely disagree with 80% ...

1. On what planet is an Running QB with a nagging unstable inflamed knee better than Watson ?

2. No way any team makes Lamar any sort of deal resembling the Watson abomination.


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[oatmeal]

5 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

Ok ...

Completely disagree with 80% ...

1. On what planet is an Running QB with a nagging unstable inflamed knee better than Watson ?

2. No way any team makes Lamar any sort of deal resembling the Watson abomination.


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unstable like zachs knee huh? The same Zach Wilson you constantly defend

and 

ironically 

the “running QB” is light years ahead of Zach passing the ball 
 

Regardless though the smoke is building, Lamar is getting moved and the Jets will be involved 

[Dunnie]

Just now, oatmeal said:

unstable like zachs knee huh? The same Zach Wilson you constantly defend

and 

ironically 

the “running QB” is light years ahead of Zach passing the ball 
 

Regardless though the smoke is building, Lamar is getting moved and the Jets will be involved 

... I didn't even mention Zach dude.  Carr,  Rodgers, Brady ... all better choices than Lamar on a Watson deal.

[oatmeal]

Just now, Dunnie said:

... I didn't even mention Zach dude.  Carr,  Rodgers, Brady ... all better choices than Lamar on a Watson deal.

Old old old, I rather bank on the younger QB 

Regardless

Carr -is getting released, he’s not helping McDaniel and LV after being shafted by them. 
he will go to the highest bidder, IMO MIA or CAR

Brady- is rumored to goto LV or possibly wherever Peyton goes, depending on how things work out with the chargers. He hates the Jets , was said before he was tired of playing in cold weather etc 

Rodgers- besides the pack eating a insane cap number, that toon would just hold us over a barrel like he’s doing GB with the constant threat of retirement 

And guess what? You have to worry about injury with all nfl players 

lamar isn’t perfect but no option we have is and he’s the best of the bunch 

[Dunnie]

19 minutes ago, oatmeal said:

Old old old, I rather bank on the younger QB 

Regardless

Carr -is getting released, he’s not helping McDaniel and LV after being shafted by them. 
he will go to the highest bidder, IMO MIA or CAR

Brady- is rumored to goto LV or possibly wherever Peyton goes, depending on how things work out with the chargers. He hates the Jets , was said before he was tired of playing in cold weather etc 

Rodgers- besides the pack eating a insane cap number, that toon would just hold us over a barrel like he’s doing GB with the constant threat of retirement 

And guess what? You have to worry about injury with all nfl players 

lamar isn’t perfect but no option we have is and he’s the best of the bunch 

I'm not disrespecting your opinion ... but no way  in hell I give 200 guaranteed to an injured Running QB that has done nothing in the playoffs. No thanks, nada, never gonna happen for an QB thats 1-3 in the playoffs with a knee injury. I cannot see anything like that happening after Q signs his mega deal.

plus ... this kind of stuff.

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/ravens_wr_calls_on_lamar_jackson_to_play_through_injury/s1_127_38350643

“In this league, everybody is pretty much banged up, hurt,” Watkins told The Post. “I don’t want to speak for him and his situation and whatever he’s going through with the contracts. I don’t know what world he’s in. But for me, you got a chance to do something special. We all know with Lamar Jackson out there, this team is really freaking good, and special things can happen. He can will this team to a Super Bowl. I don’t think he’s thinking about it that way. . . .”

 

Edited January 14 by Dunnie

[T0mShane]

16 hours ago, derp said:

I guess the difference in opinion is that he’s only the bird in the hand if they win the Super Bowl. That team is loaded aside from him. But we’ll see.

Have we considered Door C?

 

[Zachtomims47]

20 hours ago, T0mShane said:

It is my long-held belief that San Fran traded up to 3 in anticipation of Team Wilson pulling an Eli Manning on the Jets, and when that didn’t happen, Lynch took the guy he wanted in Trey Lance, but Shanahan wanted no part of. Shanahan plays who he wants, and a lot of those draftees fall by the wayside as a result. Given that Purdy looks like a stud, Lance is going to get Trey Sermon’d anyway, so why wouldn’t they flip him for the guy Shanahan originally wanted? From the Jets perspective, you trade out an extremely unpopular, polarizing but traitsy draft pick for an even more traitsy, but unknown draft pick so Douglas saves face unless Wilson becomes a star in San Fran…which is unlikely. You get rid of Zach, and his mom, and Steve Young. Sign whatever vet and work on developing Lance in the background. Wins all around. 

If that happened and Zach flourished…woo boy. 

[T0mShane]

3 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said:

If that happened and Zach flourished…woo boy. 

It’s unlikely Zach is beating out Purdy (or Brady?) in 2023, and we’d be sitting here with Derek Carr and Trey Lance for a few years anyway

[RedBeardedSavage]

19 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Have we considered Door C?

 

Lance is an interesting roll-of-the-dice.

Feel like he fits more for the Giants and Daboll, though. 

Guess I'm rooting for the 49ers to win-it-all now - at least it'll likely shake loose one more quarterback. 

[JETS SB]

This is a pipe dream since the Ravens will either extend him or franchise tag him. He isn’t going anywhere. 

[jetsons]

17 hours ago, JETS SB said:

This is a pipe dream since the Ravens will either extend him or franchise tag him. He isn’t going anywhere. 

One can Only Hope.

[Awesumtenor]

15 hours ago, Dunnie said:

I'm not disrespecting your opinion ... but no way  in hell I give 200 guaranteed to an injured Running QB that has done nothing in the playoffs. No thanks, nada, never gonna happen for an QB thats 1-3 in the playoffs with a knee injury. I cannot see anything like that happening after Q signs his mega deal.

plus ... this kind of stuff.

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/ravens_wr_calls_on_lamar_jackson_to_play_through_injury/s1_127_38350643

“In this league, everybody is pretty much banged up, hurt,” Watkins told The Post. “I don’t want to speak for him and his situation and whatever he’s going through with the contracts. I don’t know what world he’s in. But for me, you got a chance to do something special. We all know with Lamar Jackson out there, this team is really freaking good, and special things can happen. He can will this team to a Super Bowl. I don’t think he’s thinking about it that way. . . .”

 

70% of Lamar’s passes are from the pocket. If he had an offensive line that didn’t suck, receivers that could create separation and running backs who could stay healthy, he would not run as much. In the last 2 seasons, Josh Allen has run more times that Lamar and has 5 fewer yards than Lamar; do you call him a running QB? No, you haven’t.

[VJphillyfan]

What if we offer Baltimore Zach for Lamar Jackson?

[T0mShane]

Oof