extmenace Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 21 hours ago, choon328 said: . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 45 minutes ago, undertow said: nepotism The football nerd community loves LaFleur. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undertow Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 8 minutes ago, T0mShane said: The football nerd community loves LaFleur. Of course same demographic....it's also a way for non athletic people to be a part and to control sports. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 1 hour ago, undertow said: nepotism Welcome to life. Happens in all fields and industries. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undertow Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 1 minute ago, C Mart said: Welcome to life. Happens in all fields and industries. True but in this situation people are arguing that it's performance based. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 1 hour ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said: How Jetlike. Kellen Moore might get fired too in Dallas. He’d have been a huge get for Saleh. Jets had one of the worst offenses in ‘22 and (IMO) just downgraded at OC. Why? His QB lead the NFL in INTs. “Prescott is the first quarterback to lead (or co-lead) the league in interceptions despite missing five-plus games” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal N of Provo Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 Defensive coaches thought process: ”16th in offense? Willing to run control the clock and punt lots to do it?!?” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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VJphillyfan Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 19 hours ago, C Mart said: Why? His QB lead the NFL in INTs. “Prescott is the first quarterback to lead (or co-lead) the league in interceptions despite missing five-plus games” God himself can’t coach up Wilson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 13 hours ago, C Mart said: Losing situation for any coach! Brady who doesn’t like to be coached or a backup QB and lame duck Bowles! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCJet Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 Apparently Todd Monken wants back into the NFL and interviewed with the Ravens and Bucs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, BCJet said: Apparently Todd Monken wants back into the NFL and interviewed with the Ravens and Bucs. He was prob the only other OC I’m upset we didn’t go with. Everyone else was Meh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
football guy Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 47 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said: He was prob the only other OC I’m upset we didn’t go with. Everyone else was Meh Jets did speak to him but don’t believe there was a formal interview. He’s searching for the perfect situation if he’s to leave UG. If he does leave, I think it’ll be Tampa. Familiar with the organization, his family still lives there, and could easily envision a pathway to HC if things don’t work out with Todd Bowles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 On 1/26/2023 at 9:57 PM, football guy said: Expectation it will be a Passing Game Coordinator/Specialist, so it will likely be someone with a background in QBs. The Jets want to introduce a lot more RPO in their base offense, so someone with a background in that could be emphasized. I wouldn’t look at age for this one either- more experience and background. To be clear I’m just connecting the dots based on information I got in the OV search so take it however you may… Brian Johnson: *unlikely but worth mentioning* he probably will get a promotion in PHI and stay there, but he’s someone that a lot of people close to the Jets are high on and he fits in the sense that he has a reputation for developing QBs and RPO implementation. Marcus Brady: a lot of the same reasons above. Has worked with all types of QBs in several types of spread/RPO schemes. He grew up in Trestman’s Shanahan-rooted WCO and grew in Reich’s schemes, which tailor to the QBs preferences + implement heavy RPO usage. It’s entirely possible Reich hires him in Carolina or stays put in Philadelphia in a more permanent role, but his name is one to watch. Scott Milanovich: currently on the Colts’ staff, but like Brady has a deep history working with QBs (mostly in the CFL) in offenses that implement the RPO. Also crossed over with Saleh & Hackett in Jacksonville. Klint Kubiak: there’s a lot of connections to our staff via Saleh and Hackett. Saleh tried hiring his dad. Has a deep history working with QBs in this offense and would be the kind of guy who drills fundamentals. Pep Hamilton: similar to Kubiak and well respected. Jets have him on their list as someone of interest for a pass game role. Greg Roman: his work in the run game and implementation of RPO offense is well known. He’s also a football lifer from NJ. He’s not a QB guy, but he’s created some of the most simple and explosive offenses we’ve ever seen. I’d love to see if he can mesh his offense with a more traditional WCO passing attack. David Shaw: lots of connections in the Jets front office and there’s a lot of respect for him. Well versed in the WCO and could be more of a Gregg Knapp like presence who works to support the coaches and QBs in a more loose senior role. Pat Shurmur: less high profile but similar kind of versatile veteran Jets had in mind in Knapp. Jets had him on their list for senior assistant a few weeks ago. Greg Olson: apparently doesn’t want to leave the west coast but worth mentioning. Other names… Jay Gruden Ben McAdoo Rick Dennison Jay Gruden Joe Lombardi Shane Day John Donovan You keep mentioning RPO. Why is that something you think they are so interested in? I expected it in 2021, but they seem pretty enamored with "pocket passer." You think that was on LaFleur and the fact they did not use more RPO was a shock to the HC and front office? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
football guy Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 2 hours ago, #27TheDominator said: You keep mentioning RPO. Why is that something you think they are so interested in? I expected it in 2021, but they seem pretty enamored with "pocket passer." You think that was on LaFleur and the fact they did not use more RPO was a shock to the HC and front office? RPO ≠ Running QB It’s a common misconception, but in the NFL most teams still run the RPO from out of the pocket. The Jets want to run more RPO because it’s a simple yet effective concept. They wouldn’t make it their base offense because teams will find ways to beat you with their defensive packages and personnel if they know it’s always coming (unless you’re just dominat like PHI), but having those “layup” packages help generate “easy” offense and can get the unit into a rhythm. When ran appropriately, the RPO puts a given defender (LB/DB) in conflict and gives the QB an easy decision to make based on how that defender reacts, whether it be pass the ball to the single read, hand it off, or run. In PHI you see Hurts run the ball himself a lot out of the RPO, but that’s not a requirement. They also won the Super Bowl with Nick Foles operating a primarily RPO offense. The Reid, Reich, and Pederson trees utilize it most, but you’ve seen guys like Shanahan and McVay implement it too. We utilized it, but MLF never stuck to it and would only call it in certain game plans/situations based on the opponent (despite the fact that we were most efficient on plays where we ultized it). His reasoning for not utilizing it against Jacksonville was because they are a team who runs it a lot so their defense wouldn’t be fooled by it… it’s reasoning like that why they want people who will be more dedicated to implementing it as more than just a “gimmick” here and there. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
football guy Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 Only good to come out of Eagles advancing is that their candidates won’t get as many looks as OC for other teams. Will give us an opportunity to pouch Brian Johnson and Marcus Brady as PGC 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 5 minutes ago, football guy said: Only good to come out of Eagles advancing is that their candidates won’t get as many looks as OC for other teams. Will give us an opportunity to pouch Brian Johnson and Marcus Brady as PGC 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said: When Tony first dances with Elvira. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cbucco19 Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 49 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said: @football guy dam we could of got Kellen Moore instead of Hackett ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Cbucco19 said: @football guy dam we could of got Kellen Moore instead of Hackett ??? Why should we want him? Dak lead the league in INTs and missed 5 games? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
football guy Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, Cbucco19 said: @football guy dam we could of got Kellen Moore instead of Hackett ??? I don’t think that would’ve materialized either way. It’s become clear that Hackett was one of Saleh’s top picks, if not his top pick. They abandoned a few interviews when they learned Hackett would take it. As a fan, we have to hope that Hackett took the job after speaking to Rodgers. People peddling the friend narrative but don’t think Hackett would take that risk… he could’ve taken an advisory/consulting gig while still collecting his full Broncos salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cbucco19 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 7 minutes ago, football guy said: I don’t think that would’ve materialized either way. It’s become clear that Hackett was one of Saleh’s top picks, if not his top pick. They abandoned a few interviews when they learned Hackett would take it. As a fan, we have to hope that Hackett took the job after speaking to Rodgers. People peddling the friend narrative but don’t think Hackett would take that risk… he could’ve taken an advisory/consulting gig while still collecting his full Broncos salary. Yep and with Schefter’s report today … it seems Rodgers getting moved is very likely 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 On 1/28/2023 at 3:03 PM, football guy said: RPO ≠ Running QB It’s a common misconception, but in the NFL most teams still run the RPO from out of the pocket. The Jets want to run more RPO because it’s a simple yet effective concept. They wouldn’t make it their base offense because teams will find ways to beat you with their defensive packages and personnel if they know it’s always coming (unless you’re just dominat like PHI), but having those “layup” packages help generate “easy” offense and can get the unit into a rhythm. When ran appropriately, the RPO puts a given defender (LB/DB) in conflict and gives the QB an easy decision to make based on how that defender reacts, whether it be pass the ball to the single read, hand it off, or run. In PHI you see Hurts run the ball himself a lot out of the RPO, but that’s not a requirement. They also won the Super Bowl with Nick Foles operating a primarily RPO offense. The Reid, Reich, and Pederson trees utilize it most, but you’ve seen guys like Shanahan and McVay implement it too. We utilized it, but MLF never stuck to it and would only call it in certain game plans/situations based on the opponent (despite the fact that we were most efficient on plays where we ultized it). His reasoning for not utilizing it against Jacksonville was because they are a team who runs it a lot so their defense wouldn’t be fooled by it… it’s reasoning like that why they want people who will be more dedicated to implementing it as more than just a “gimmick” here and there. I get that the RPO can just be Flacco sticking it in an RB's belly and deciding whether to leave it or pull it back. I just find it way more threatening when you have a QB that can/will sprint around the edge and take the 7 yards they are often leaving there. If they are embracing it, embrace the full potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Blast Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 15 hours ago, football guy said: I don’t think that would’ve materialized either way. It’s become clear that Hackett was one of Saleh’s top picks, if not his top pick. They abandoned a few interviews when they learned Hackett would take it. As a fan, we have to hope that Hackett took the job after speaking to Rodgers. People peddling the friend narrative but don’t think Hackett would take that risk… he could’ve taken an advisory/consulting gig while still collecting his full Broncos salary. Dare I ask, who's interviews did they abandon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 24 minutes ago, Jet Blast said: Dare I ask, who's interviews did they abandon? Vince Lombardi, Don Shula and Tom Landry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
football guy Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 51 minutes ago, Jet Blast said: Dare I ask, who's interviews did they abandon? Bienemy and Pitcher at the very least. Not sure whether they would've interviewed or not anyway, but with no one else really posing a threat to hire Hackett anyway what's the rush? Just feel like the timing was odd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 1 minute ago, football guy said: Bienemy and Pitcher at the very least. Not sure whether they would've interviewed or not anyway, but with no one else really posing a threat to hire Hackett anyway what's the rush? Just feel like the timing was odd Maybe the want an OC in house first to help make the decision on QB . If they go the Carr route , timing is a critical factor. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post football guy Posted February 11, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2023 On 1/26/2023 at 9:57 PM, football guy said: Expectation it will be a Passing Game Coordinator/Specialist, so it will likely be someone with a background in QBs. The Jets want to introduce a lot more RPO in their base offense, so someone with a background in that could be emphasized. I wouldn’t look at age for this one either- more experience and background. To be clear I’m just connecting the dots based on information I got in the OV search so take it however you may… Brian Johnson: *unlikely but worth mentioning* he probably will get a promotion in PHI and stay there, but he’s someone that a lot of people close to the Jets are high on and he fits in the sense that he has a reputation for developing QBs and RPO implementation. Marcus Brady: a lot of the same reasons above. Has worked with all types of QBs in several types of spread/RPO schemes. He grew up in Trestman’s Shanahan-rooted WCO and grew in Reich’s schemes, which tailor to the QBs preferences + implement heavy RPO usage. It’s entirely possible Reich hires him in Carolina or stays put in Philadelphia in a more permanent role, but his name is one to watch. Scott Milanovich: currently on the Colts’ staff, but like Brady has a deep history working with QBs (mostly in the CFL) in offenses that implement the RPO. Also crossed over with Saleh & Hackett in Jacksonville. Klint Kubiak: there’s a lot of connections to our staff via Saleh and Hackett. Saleh tried hiring his dad. Has a deep history working with QBs in this offense and would be the kind of guy who drills fundamentals. Pep Hamilton: similar to Kubiak and well respected. Jets have him on their list as someone of interest for a pass game role. Greg Roman: his work in the run game and implementation of RPO offense is well known. He’s also a football lifer from NJ. He’s not a QB guy, but he’s created some of the most simple and explosive offenses we’ve ever seen. I’d love to see if he can mesh his offense with a more traditional WCO passing attack. David Shaw: lots of connections in the Jets front office and there’s a lot of respect for him. Well versed in the WCO and could be more of a Gregg Knapp like presence who works to support the coaches and QBs in a more loose senior role. Pat Shurmur: less high profile but similar kind of versatile veteran Jets had in mind in Knapp. Jets had him on their list for senior assistant a few weeks ago. Greg Olson: apparently doesn’t want to leave the west coast but worth mentioning. Other names… Jay Gruden Ben McAdoo Rick Dennison Jay Gruden Joe Lombardi Shane Day John Donovan Connection with the Jets is saying Brian Johnson is getting an OC job, so that’s out. Also want to see what happens with Marcus Brady (expected to stay in PHI), but it sounds like Ben McAdoo has the inside track for the senior “pass game specialist/coordinator” role if he wants it, assuming the PHI guys won’t be available. The big story would be his connection to Rodgers and I can’t help but think that would be at least part of their motivation, but according to this individual McAdoo’s style is very similar to Hackett… heavy emphasis on player engagement, teaching/leadership skills, and communication. He’s also known to strongly emphasizes fundamentals and believes in tailoring the scheme to the strengths of your talent… all things Jets are looking for. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, football guy said: Connection with the Jets is saying Brian Johnson is getting an OC job, so that’s out. Also want to see what happens with Marcus Brady (expected to stay in PHI), but it sounds like Ben McAdoo has the inside track for the senior “pass game specialist/coordinator” role if he wants it, assuming the PHI guys won’t be available. The big story would be his connection to Rodgers and I can’t help but think that would be at least part of their motivation, but according to this individual McAdoo’s style is very similar to Hackett… heavy emphasis on player engagement, teaching/leadership skills, and communication. He’s also known to strongly emphasizes fundamentals and believes in tailoring the scheme to the strengths of your talent… all things Jets are looking for. Oooo we’re getting ALL the fun names! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 1 hour ago, football guy said: Connection with the Jets is saying Brian Johnson is getting an OC job, so that’s out. Also want to see what happens with Marcus Brady (expected to stay in PHI), but it sounds like Ben McAdoo has the inside track for the senior “pass game specialist/coordinator” role if he wants it, assuming the PHI guys won’t be available. The big story would be his connection to Rodgers and I can’t help but think that would be at least part of their motivation, but according to this individual McAdoo’s style is very similar to Hackett… heavy emphasis on player engagement, teaching/leadership skills, and communication. He’s also known to strongly emphasizes fundamentals and believes in tailoring the scheme to the strengths of your talent… all things Jets are looking for. Liked McAdoo as a coordinator. Like Hackett and Saleh, better as a coordinator than a HC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinamite Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 1 hour ago, football guy said: Connection with the Jets is saying Brian Johnson is getting an OC job, so that’s out. Also want to see what happens with Marcus Brady (expected to stay in PHI), but it sounds like Ben McAdoo has the inside track for the senior “pass game specialist/coordinator” role if he wants it, assuming the PHI guys won’t be available. The big story would be his connection to Rodgers and I can’t help but think that would be at least part of their motivation, but according to this individual McAdoo’s style is very similar to Hackett… heavy emphasis on player engagement, teaching/leadership skills, and communication. He’s also known to strongly emphasizes fundamentals and believes in tailoring the scheme to the strengths of your talent… all things Jets are looking for. Thanks for sharing this. Does that mean Calabrese stays as QB coach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 1 hour ago, football guy said: Connection with the Jets is saying Brian Johnson is getting an OC job, so that’s out. Also want to see what happens with Marcus Brady (expected to stay in PHI), but it sounds like Ben McAdoo has the inside track for the senior “pass game specialist/coordinator” role if he wants it, assuming the PHI guys won’t be available. The big story would be his connection to Rodgers and I can’t help but think that would be at least part of their motivation, but according to this individual McAdoo’s style is very similar to Hackett… heavy emphasis on player engagement, teaching/leadership skills, and communication. He’s also known to strongly emphasizes fundamentals and believes in tailoring the scheme to the strengths of your talent… all things Jets are looking for. Johnson with Reich probably. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekskill68 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, section314 said: Johnson with Reich probably. Reich just hired Josh McCown as QB Coach. #JustSayin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 13 minutes ago, Dinamite said: Thanks for sharing this. Does that mean Calabrese stays as QB coach? As long as they lock him in the cage before every game and practice like the pitching coach in “Rookie of the Year.”? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 1 minute ago, peekskill68 said: Reich just hired Josh McCown as QB Coach. #JustSayin Zach would have been better off with McCown than Calabreze 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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