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10 minutes ago, Nixhead said:

DaBoll got this Giant team this far - yeah we missed out on him for sure. Now that doesn't mean Salad is a horrible coach and he might turn out to be good but as of right now Daboll looks to be a great head coach that the Jets missed out on.

In 2 years, Saleh has shown almost nothing. He is amongst the bottom 1/3rd coaches in NFL.  

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and not like a Cobb or a Waldorf salad. Its one of those salads you get for free with an entrée at the restaurant in the back of a pizzeria. The one one with iceberg, 2 whole cherry tomatos, a ring of raw onion, and 3 shaved pieces of carrot. They bring out the little oil and red wine vinegar caddy to complete the look.

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3 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

It pretty much goes without saying the perspective would be wildly different if it was Daboll here having to deal with the league's very worst QB situation.

In that scenario, it very well may have been Saleh now talked about as the "one who got away" if managing to sneak into the playoffs elsewhere off of 9 wins.

Except he is credited for developing Josh Allen as well.. an offensive mind, fiery…we got Mr Rogers 

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7 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

It pretty much goes without saying the perspective would be wildly different if it was Daboll here having to deal with the league's very worst QB situation.

In that scenario, it very well may have been Saleh now talked about as the "one who got away" if managing to sneak into the playoffs elsewhere off of 9 wins.

Youre right, because the Giants QB situation was considered fantastic before he got there

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9 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

It pretty much goes without saying the perspective would be wildly different if it was Daboll here having to deal with the league's very worst QB situation.

In that scenario, it very well may have been Saleh now talked about as the "one who got away" if managing to sneak into the playoffs elsewhere off of 9 wins.

It’s possible but it’s also possible that Daboll is better at developing and handling a QB and Salad doesn’t have a clue. 

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What does this say for the Jets passing up a chance to get Sean Payton though?  HCs like him aren't available very often.  Obviously he'd cost a lot to acquire (and it's unclear that he'd even want to come here) but it feels like the Jets aren't even considering it.

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Typically I'd be in the lol yeah whatever, easy in hindsight, etc. camp ... but given that they went with a first-time HC anyway? Yeah this is a swing & a miss.

Hopefully a competent OC is enough, where Saleh as the HC more or less sits back and passively manages the coordinators & practice schedules & he doesn't call plays anyway during the games.

Like I remember envisioning that boob Herm with 2 competent coordinators (who then would oversee competent position coaches); the HC is more like a parent than a teacher, and they can still hire a "situation" coach when to go for it, when to punt, when to call timeout, etc. If the players like him and he's just a figurehead, it's not ideal but his stupidity is limited to giving out Fig Newtons or whatever.

Yes those wrong decisions in-game can surely do damage but we're not even there yet; right now they just need someone to oversee a competent offense including getting a competent QB on the field who can stay on the field.

But no doubt, this is - at least thus far - another huge mistake.

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40 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

It pretty much goes without saying the perspective would be wildly different if it was Daboll here having to deal with the league's very worst QB situation.

In that scenario, it very well may have been Saleh now talked about as the "one who got away" if managing to sneak into the playoffs elsewhere off of 9 wins.

If Darnold had weapons, or if Zach sat for a year and my aunt had balls, they would be my uncles and Saleh would be a better coach.

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44 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

It pretty much goes without saying the perspective would be wildly different if it was Daboll here having to deal with the league's very worst QB situation.

In that scenario, it very well may have been Saleh now talked about as the "one who got away" if managing to sneak into the playoffs elsewhere off of 9 wins.

Saleh helped create the worst QB situation in league. He signed off on drafting Zach and then completed botched his development. He also signed off and advocated for bringing back Flacco as the teams primary backup. 

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12 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

Yes!...

Oh yeah, and the missing out on Trevor Lawrence...

And the drafting of Becton instead of Wirfs...

And the drafting of Zach Wilson instead of almost anyone else...

 

 

 

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It's not like daboll would make Zach an NFL qb 

All this coaching musical chairs is wishful thinking 

They screwed up the pick at 2 thus they are screwed 

Zombie Vince Lombardi would lose with Zach wilson at qb 

There's this list of celebrities, sports and otherwise that yougov puts out. Based on how well known the person is. Joe willy is number 37 on the sports list btw 

Zach wilson is not in the top 1000

Zach is like a star here (and in his own mind) but in reality he is a nobody bust. He's never going to be good. And that is going to screw whoever is the coach 

Theres no outcome where the Jets hire daboll, still take Zach, and are a good team 

Zach wilson is worse than mitch trubisky he's a JaMarcus Russell level bust and JD boned this franchise for years with this pick 

There's no easy fix either 

 

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If the Jets had anything approaching a competent NFL QB, they would be in the playoffs.

The facts about Saleh.  He ran a top five defense.  That's to his credit.

His OC was a "buddy system" hire and he was awful.  That's to his detriment. 

Verdict.  Jury still out on RS

The Jets GM began his tenure with two tremendous mistakes.  Becton and Zach Wilson.  I had both of them on my "do not draft list.  I wanted to drive my head through a wall when those draft picks were made.  

That is to his detriment.

In this past off season, the GM redeemed himself with one of the best drafts in Jets history.

This is tohis credit.

Verdict.

Jury still out om JD.

I will say this.  If the QB spot gets fixed to any decent degree, they will most likely make the playoffs in 2023 and we wont be discussing their termination next January.

If JD and Saleh continue their destructive devotion to saving Wilson due to JD's pride of authorship in the ZW draft pick, I am SURE next season will be their last with the Jets,  They have to consider Wilson a prep team asset at best.

Also... If JD proceeds as if Becton is their staring LT and ignores the line manpower issues, that is also another nail in his coffin.

2022 was all about the QB and it was a disaster.  2023 will also be all about the QB.

 

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“Culture change” with Giants was noticeable right away in year 1.

And because of it, they’re still playing football in the divisional round.

Salad talked about it a lot and had a thousand t-shirts printed.  Big deal.

The difference this year was really on defense adding Sauce, DJR, getting Lawson back, and Quinnen stepping up to an all-pro level in a contract year.

The team mailed it in vs the Jags and Seahawks.  Looked totally lifeless and unprepared.

The Giants yesterday had answers for everything and that’s a credit to the coaches putting the players in position to succeed.  

Even on a 4th and 15 or whatever with the game on the line, Daboll and Kafka dial up something to get Slayton wide the freak open for an easy pitch and catch.  Slayton just drops it. 

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1 hour ago, Scott Dierking said:

And don't forget passing on Dan Marino and Tom Brady.

Really???… tom brady???… who in college saw him as Anything?…. Marino was a Star in college & Everyone knew it… brady was nothing in college, even belidick didn’t know what he had… he just got Lucky with the 199th pick… passing on Marino was typical “we know better than you” jets front office garbage.

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5 minutes ago, jetsons said:

Really???… tom brady???… who in college saw him as Anything?…. Marino was a Star in college & Everyone knew it… brady was nothing in college, even belidick didn’t know what he had… he just got Lucky with the 199th pick… passing on Marino was typical “we know better than you” jets front office garbage.

Jets had at least 6 chances in that draft to recognize the greatness that would be Tom Brady. Shame on them.

This seems like the thread to strip off the loosest meat of the bone of Jet hindsight to what they COULD HAVE DONE.

The best and easiest exercise in the world.

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