Jets passing on Daboll

[JetPotato]

1 hour ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

What does this say for the Jets passing up a chance to get Sean Payton though?  HCs like him aren't available very often.  Obviously he'd cost a lot to acquire (and it's unclear that he'd even want to come here) but it feels like the Jets aren't even considering it.

Yet somehow, some still believe Jets ownership has nothing to do with their situation.

[Scott Dierking]

1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Typically I'd be in the lol yeah whatever, easy in hindsight, etc. camp ... but given that they went with a first-time HC anyway? Yeah this is a swing & a miss.

Hopefully a competent OC is enough, where Saleh as the HC more or less sits back and passively manages the coordinators & practice schedules & he doesn't call plays anyway during the games.

Like I remember envisioning that boob Herm with 2 competent coordinators (who then would oversee competent position coaches); the HC is more like a parent than a teacher, and they can still hire a "situation" coach when to go for it, when to punt, when to call timeout, etc. If the players like him and he's just a figurehead, it's not ideal but his stupidity is limited to giving out Fig Newtons or whatever.

Yes those wrong decisions in-game can surely do damage but we're not even there yet; right now they just need someone to oversee a competent offense including getting a competent QB on the field who can stay on the field.

But no doubt, this is - at least thus far - another huge mistake.

Yes, the hindsight game is easy. It also does come without inside knowledge.

The Jets DID interview Daboll. So at least they recognized some budding ability. Small consolation prize.

BUT, what we do not know is the substance of those conversations. In order for a deal to be brokered, there has to be a meeting of the minds in terms of philosophy, in terms of control of staff, in terms of a huge area, the budget they are willing to spend. Maybe, Daboll did not want to coach in the same division as his former club. THAT is a thing with some coaches. I don't know.

It MAY have been Daboll that said "no" to the Jets, not the other way. Trite point, but a point nonetheless. 

Really, this is the easiest fish to catch (look what the Jets didn't do in hindsight). If that was all we talked about, Max would be a much greater a gazillionaire than he already is with the volume of content on this site.

 

[Hex]

Zach Taylor went 6-25-1 in his first 2 seasons as the Bengals head coach. Now his team is a SB contender. Meanwhile Kevin Stefanski went 11-5 in his first year as Browns HC and hasn’t had a winning record since.

[Scott Dierking]

8 minutes ago, JetPotato said:

Yet somehow, some still believe Jets ownership has nothing to do with their situation.

They very well have a budget, I am sure. And that worries me the most. That damn seeming budget.

[Jimmy 2 Times]

58 minutes ago, bitonti said:

It's not like daboll would make Zach an NFL qb 

All this coaching musical chairs is wishful thinking 

They screwed up the pick at 2 thus they are screwed 

Zombie Vince Lombardi would lose with Zach wilson at qb 

There's this list of celebrities, sports and otherwise that yougov puts out. Based on how well known the person is. Joe willy is number 37 on the sports list btw 

Zach wilson is not in the top 1000

Zach is like a star here (and in his own mind) but in reality he is a nobody bust. He's never going to be good. And that is going to screw whoever is the coach 

Theres no outcome where the Jets hire daboll, still take Zach, and are a good team 

Zach wilson is worse than mitch trubisky he's a JaMarcus Russell level bust and JD boned this franchise for years with this pick 

There's no easy fix either 

 

Zombie Vince Lombardi is a horrible coach.  The league passed him by. 

[FactsOnly]

Fanbase was BIG on Bob Salad

BIG

[FactsOnly]

1 hour ago, Hex said:

Zach Taylor went 6-25-1 in his first 2 seasons as the Bengals head coach. Now his team is a SB contender. Meanwhile Kevin Stefanski went 11-5 in his first year as Browns HC and hasn’t had a winning record since.

First year was a tank 2nd year Burrow got hurt

not the same

[kevinc855]

2 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Typically I'd be in the lol yeah whatever, easy in hindsight, etc. camp ... but given that they went with a first-time HC anyway? Yeah this is a swing & a miss.

Hopefully a competent OC is enough, where Saleh as the HC more or less sits back and passively manages the coordinators & practice schedules & he doesn't call plays anyway during the games.

Like I remember envisioning that boob Herm with 2 competent coordinators (who then would oversee competent position coaches); the HC is more like a parent than a teacher, and they can still hire a "situation" coach when to go for it, when to punt, when to call timeout, etc. If the players like him and he's just a figurehead, it's not ideal but his stupidity is limited to giving out Fig Newtons or whatever.

Yes those wrong decisions in-game can surely do damage but we're not even there yet; right now they just need someone to oversee a competent offense including getting a competent QB on the field who can stay on the field.

But no doubt, this is - at least thus far - another huge mistake.

The thing I never understood if the big move was to draft a young QB and hit reset on the position why not bring in an offensive guy at HC? 

[Sperm Edwards]

1 hour ago, Scott Dierking said:

Yes, the hindsight game is easy. It also does come without inside knowledge.

The Jets DID interview Daboll. So at least they recognized some budding ability. Small consolation prize.

BUT, what we do not know is the substance of those conversations. In order for a deal to be brokered, there has to be a meeting of the minds in terms of philosophy, in terms of control of staff, in terms of a huge area, the budget they are willing to spend. Maybe, Daboll did not want to coach in the same division as his former club. THAT is a thing with some coaches. I don't know.

It MAY have been Daboll that said "no" to the Jets, not the other way. Trite point, but a point nonetheless. 

Really, this is the easiest fish to catch (look what the Jets didn't do in hindsight). If that was all we talked about, Max would be a much greater a gazillionaire than he already is with the volume of content on this site.

 

No doubt, but if Daboll showed enough interest to interview here then one of two things most likely happened):

- the Jets felt Saleh was a better choice

- Daboll got out of the interview and, based on the experience, effectively said to himself "eff this, these guys are every bit the clowns some have said" (or similar).

Allowing there are of course other conclusions, these are the two most likely, and tbh neither paints this team in a great light.

[kevinc855]

1 hour ago, Hex said:

Zach Taylor went 6-25-1 in his first 2 seasons as the Bengals head coach. Now his team is a SB contender. Meanwhile Kevin Stefanski went 11-5 in his first year as Browns HC and hasn’t had a winning record since.

Listen I been hearing the Zach Taylor thing as much as been hearing the ridiculous Josh allen to Zach Wilson comparison. Sure, listen Saleh has a year 3. Let’s see what he does. 

But passing on Daboll was a mistake and it’s hard to argue otherwise 

[Sperm Edwards]

34 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

The thing I never understood if the big move was to draft a young QB and hit reset on the position why not bring in an offensive guy at HC? 

Former OC who was a former QBC (among other positions as well, including at least some defensive coaching experience, on a championship team at that). Plus very recent experience overseeing an offense with a young QB who struggled as a rookie. Plus he was within the division with knowledge of what subtle things cause difficulty for their QB (or team). 

Anyway there were a lot of reasons it was a good fit after 3 years of Darnold struggling + considering whether or not to go all-in on any of the non-Lawrence QB prospects, or stick with Darnold + another veteran as insurance, etc.

The respective results now with both the Jets & Giants only makes it that much more upsetting.

[More Cowbell]

3 hours ago, Maxta_p said:

and not like a Cobb or a Waldorf salad. Its one of those salads you get for free with an entrée at the restaurant in the back of a pizzeria. The one one with iceberg, 2 whole cherry tomatos, a ring of raw onion, and 3 shaved pieces of carrot. They bring out the little oil and red wine vinegar caddy to complete the look.

This isaking me hungry

[Hex]

9 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

Listen I been hearing the Zach Taylor thing as much as been hearing the ridiculous Josh allen to Zach Wilson comparison. Sure, listen Saleh has a year 3. Let’s see what he does. 

But passing on Daboll was a mistake and it’s hard to argue otherwise 

It probably was a mistake. I just don't understand why everybody is making tons of threads about this. Every single other team passed on Daboll that season who needed a new coach that season.

You could argue the Jets passing on Dan Campbell was a bad move. People were calling for his head a lot halfway through that season.

Brian Daboll will probably become a very good HC. Let's see what we have in Saleh before calling it a mistake for sure.

[The Crusher]

4 hours ago, kevinc855 said:

Goes right up there with passing on mahomes.

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2926229-jets-interview-bills-oc-brian-daboll-for-hc-job-after-buffalos-win-vs-colts.amp.html

I just spilled milk. I’m sad. 

[kevinc855]

 

[Hex]

48 minutes ago, FactsOnly said:

First year was a tank 2nd year Burrow got hurt

not the same

First year for Saleh was essentially a tank. The team was pretty crappy, wouldn't be able to beat many teams even with a veteran coach. Second year the entire OL got hurt twice, and the star RB went out for the season.

Not the same?

Oh not to mention the lack of a QB

[DJF71]

I'm on board with no more posting responses on this forum. Everyone should video their responses.  That will be way better. 

[kevinc855]

1 minute ago, DJF71 said:

I'm on board with no more posting responses on this forum. Everyone should video their responses.  That will be way better. 

Yes!

[56mehl56]

5 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

 

So blame Rex ryan for letting him go from the Jets staff in 2009 . 

[Scott Dierking]

27 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

No doubt, but if Daboll showed enough interest to interview here then one of two things most likely happened):

- the Jets felt Saleh was a better choice

- Daboll got out of the interview and, based on the experience, effectively said to himself "eff this, these guys are every bit the clowns some have said" (or similar).

Allowing there are of course other conclusions, these are the two most likely, and tbh neither paints this team in a great light.

Every likelihood of all of that.

BUT, coaches also accept interviews just to interview. To go through the process and maybe practice for a scenario they actually want. And, to get their name in the news of "oh, someone likes Brian Daboll.

It takes to to tango.

And I am not trying to paint the Jets in a positive light. It just may be Daboll said "no" for a multitude of reasons.

[kevinc855]

3 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said:

So blame Rex ryan for letting him go from the Jets staff in 2009 . 

Now that’s revisionist history 

[56mehl56]

1 minute ago, kevinc855 said:

Now that’s revisionist history 

Oh the irony. 

[Scott Dierking]

10 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

 

Say want you want about the Jets, but I bet you that at least they know how to pronounce "Day-ball". It's a long A, Kevy Kev

[Sperm Edwards]

13 minutes ago, Hex said:

It probably was a mistake. I just don't understand why everybody is making tons of threads about this. Every single other team passed on Daboll that season who needed a new coach that season.

You could argue the Jets passing on Dan Campbell was a bad move. People were calling for his head a lot halfway through that season.

Brian Daboll will probably become a very good HC. Let's see what we have in Saleh before calling it a mistake for sure.

It's a fair critique given their respective results to date. 2 years in and Saleh already has had to replace pretty much every offensive coach on the team while Daboll not only made the playoffs but just won a playoff game, with an over-drafted QB that everyone had pegged as a mere formality to get benched, replaced, or benched then replaced.

First season with Daboll he's suddenly an efficient game manager with his arm and somehow a dangerous weapon with his legs, too, averaging ~50 rushing yards per game and a rushing TD every other week. In comparison, the Jets were at one point putting their 4th string QB on the field with only 1 of the first 3 of them injured. 

None of that means the Giants are absolutely destined for Super Bowl glory with Daboll and/or the Jets for continued failure with Saleh, but it's not unreasonable to comment based on what we've seen under each thus far.

[kevinc855]

3 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

It's a fair critique given their respective results to date. 2 years in and Saleh already has had to replace pretty much every offensive coach on the team while Daboll not only made the playoffs but just won a playoff game, with an over-drafted QB that everyone had pegged as a mere formality to get benched, replaced, or benched then replaced.

First season with Daboll he's suddenly an efficient game manager with his arm and somehow a dangerous weapon with his legs, too, averaging ~50 rushing yards per game and a rushing TD every other week. In comparison, the Jets were at one point putting their 4th string QB on the field with only 1 of the first 3 of them injured. 

None of that means the Giants are absolutely destined for Super Bowl glory with Daboll and/or the Jets for continued failure with Saleh, but it's not unreasonable to comment based on what we've seen under each thus far.

This is a good point. People can judge rob Saleh after 2 full seasons. We aren’t just 6 games into his tenure. Most people had the giants at 4-13 range this year. 
 

Not saying Saleh is a failure just yet, but to date he hasn’t really done anything that makes you think he’s the guy. 
 

Daboll made himself the guy in one season with a so so team

[rangerous]

it think we just have to see what year 3 brings.  from what i can tell the jets could've (and did) beat three of the teams in the playoffs so far, the doltfins, bills and vikings. and they played well enough to have swept the bills.  with regard to the daboll and saleh debate, it's hard to compare.  daboll is coaching a team that actually does have some illustrious history behind it.  i don't think the giaint fan base is quite as vocal as the jets and the owners are very different.  the maras live and breathe giaints.  i think woody uses the jets as a play toy.  that might not mean much but when a mara enters the lockreroom i'm sure the players take notice.

in saleh's defense that's what he's trying to do with the jets.  keep them building and moving forward.  he's done that his first year even though they let the playoffs get away.  and i don't think people to pile it all on zwilson.  take a look at some of throws the great joshy made yesterday.  and the miami qb wasn't exactly putting up great numbers.

[Sperm Edwards]

14 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Every likelihood of all of that.

BUT, coaches also accept interviews just to interview. To go through the process and maybe practice for a scenario they actually want. And, to get their name in the news of "oh, someone likes Brian Daboll.

It takes to to tango.

And I am not trying to paint the Jets in a positive light. It just may be Daboll said "no" for a multitude of reasons.

Yes, he could be interviewing just to interview, but it seems a distant third in terms of the likelihood of the three options mentioned. I don't think it's terribly common at all for HC candidates interview for these jobs solely for the interview experience. Also "multitude of reasons" does seem to be undeservedly generous to the Jets' FO. After all these years I know you know better, lol.  

[section314]

2 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

It's a fair critique given their respective results to date. 2 years in and Saleh already has had to replace pretty much every offensive coach on the team while Daboll not only made the playoffs but just won a playoff game, with an over-drafted QB that everyone had pegged as a mere formality to get benched, replaced, or benched then replaced.

First season with Daboll he's suddenly an efficient game manager with his arm and somehow a dangerous weapon with his legs, too, averaging ~50 rushing yards per game and a rushing TD every other week. In comparison, the Jets were at one point putting their 4th string QB on the field with only 1 of the first 3 of them injured. 

None of that means the Giants are absolutely destined for Super Bowl glory with Daboll and/or the Jets for continued failure with Saleh, but it's not unreasonable to comment based on what we've seen under each thus far.

Efficient game manager?  

[heymangold]

How many other teams passed on Daboll?

im all about the giants hype but they played the easiest schedule in the NFL.  They beat the Vikings.  If they win this weekend in Philly, I’ll start giving them real praise.

[MR.GANGGREEN28]

Yeah jets may have really dropped daboll on this one

[Sperm Edwards]

1 minute ago, section314 said:

Efficient game manager?  

To me, 6 games during the season with >200 yards (one of them 202 yards) in the air, and about 1 TD/game passing, is game manager'ing.

It's not a criticism -- they're winning football games this way. Further, it's taking advantage of a player's skill set without forcing him to be something he isn't, based on a rigid adherence to what works with someone else. 

[heymangold]

1 minute ago, Sperm Edwards said:

To me, 6 games during the season with >200 yards (one of them 202 yards) in the air, and about 1 TD/game passing, is game manager'ing.

It's not a criticism -- they're winning football games this way. Further, it's taking advantage of a player's skill set without forcing him to be something he isn't, based on a rigid adherence to what works with someone else. 

People forget how awful the Vikings defense is.  mike white had like 380 against them.

[Sperm Edwards]

4 minutes ago, heymangold said:

People forget how awful the Vikings defense is.  mike white had like 380 against them.

Perhaps White would've learned to not stand there and take a beating like an idiot, and may have started to look like a more reliable starter, with better coaching. As it is he looked like a weapon about 1/2 to 1/3 of the time without it.

[Scott Dierking]

BTW, here is the illustrious history of Brian Daboll before he interviewed with the Jets:

-2007-Followed Mangini to the jets to develop Kellen Clemens.

-2009-Followed Mangini again to Cleveland to become offensive coordinator. Browns finished 29th in scoring that year.

-2010-Browns draft Colt Mccoy and it is Daboll's job to develop him. Browns finished 30th in scoring.

-2011-Daboll loses his job but goes to Dolphins as offensive coordinator. Worked with Matt Moore at QB. Hey, offensive production went from 30th in the league to 20th!!! Progress!

-2012-Became offensive coordinator for KC Chiefs. Chiefs finish last in scoring that year.

-2013-2016 returned to NE as Tight Ends coach. yeah, he is making progress.

-2017 Joins Alabama as O coordinator. They win Natty Champ. Caught that Alabama breeze.

-2018-2019- Joined Buffalo as offensive coordinator. Bills finished 30th and 23rd in the league respectively. 

-2020- Josh Allen!!!!!

So, imagine if the Jets hire Daboll and what this board would have sounded like. Really.

[frankiepapa]

In all seriousness comparing Daboll to Mahomes is pretty ridiculous. There have been plenty of coaches (we have seen them) who have done big things in year 1 and didn’t amount to anything. Imagine if Saleh beats Daboll next year head to head? 
 

Was it Daboll's great coaching that caused the vikings to jump/false start on that 4th and inches yesterday that may have changed the result of the game...I can't put Daboll in Canton just yet...

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