Are the Jets severely lacking offensive playmakers or did poor coaching poor QB play and poor O line play negate our playmakers?

[Nixhead]

I look at some current playoff teams and I see Bills: Diggs, Gabe Davis, Singletary, Allen, Knox, Cook  49ers I see: Deebo, McCaffrey, Kittle, Aiyuk, Jennings   Chiefs I see: MaHomes, Kelce,JuJu, Pacheco, Helaire, Hardman, and etc. You guys get the picture. Other teams all have 4-6 playmakers. The Jets have Garrett Wilson and had Breece Hall and who else? Don't tell me Mims! Moore - hasn't shown a whole lot. Michael Carter - didn't make many tacklers miss this year. Conklin - safety valve but playmaker - maybe. Cory Davis is a play wrecker when he's healthy. Berrios - not this season. So are these Jets magically going to become playmakers with a new OC and QB or do the Jets also need 1 or 2 more running backs and 2 more starting receivers? Seems like this team needs almost a whole new offense and that's not going to be easy to do in 1 offseason. Thank god for Garrett Wilson and a healthy Breece Hall.

[greenwave81]

The best part of having a good QB, or a great one, is that it is much easier to evaluate others on the offense. Of course, a good OL helps the QB.

Guess what I'm saying is that it is hard to exactly know what we have on offense at this point when evaluating the WR's/RBs/TEs when the QB is marginal and the OL is decimated by injury.  I can only imagine Garrett Wilson's ceiling with a good OL/QB....Moore too.  Just MO

[Charlie Brown]

The Jets have more playmakers on Offense than they have had in over a decade and it is not close IMO!

The OC has to know how to use them, period....

For example....

No targets for Moore in games or using him on essentially go routes was in fact incompetence!

[carlito1171]

The fact that our former OC thought it was a great idea to develop 5'9'' Elijah Moore into an X receiver and call jump ball routes for him to start the season, when he was drafted because of his prolificness in the slot should answer your question

[Matt39]

 

[TuscanyTile2]

4 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

 

Lamar and Baker are on our "Top Candidates" list - lol.

[JetsAddict]

They definitely need a #2 WR who can stay on the field. Could also use an upgrade at TE (Conklin is a good #2). 
 

I wouldn’t hate if they drafted a WR or TE in round 1, but unfortunately they probably don’t have that luxury given the state of the Oline. 

[Larz]

Yes 

[peebag]

a franchise type QB makes up for lack of talent at other positions - a bad qb drains the talent from everywhere on the team.

[JETS SB]

5 minutes ago, JetsAddict said:

They definitely need a #2 WR who can stay on the field. Could also use an upgrade at TE (Conklin is a good #2). 
 

I wouldn’t hate if they drafted a WR or TE in round 1, but unfortunately they probably don’t have that luxury given the state of the Oline. 

I feel like CJ Uzomah was under-utilized. He made some huge plays for us and was a go to guy with Cincinnati getting around 50 receptions last year. A Good QB could make him a big target for us, in my opinion. He was the receiving end of Zach’s best offensive play this year. Jimmy G and Derek Carr love throwing to a big TE. I like him over Conklin. 

[KINGDIRK]

18 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

 

Not saying MLF should have been kept but anyone who thinks our QB situation wasn’t the major issue with this offense is just a complete homer. 

[Nixhead]

20 minutes ago, carlito1171 said:

The fact that our former OC thought it was a great idea to develop 5'9'' Elijah Moore into an X receiver and call jump ball routes for him to start the season, when he was drafted because of his prolificness in the slot should answer your question

Yeah I agree Mike Lafluer really messed up a potentially good offense by doing whatever he did wrong - which was a lot! Poor QB play and poor O line play didn’t help either but might have been better if LaFluer had a clue. 

[carlito1171]

8 minutes ago, Nixhead said:

Yeah I agree Mike Lafluer really messed up a potentially good offense by doing whatever he did wrong - which was a lot! Poor QB play and poor O line play didn’t help either but might have been better if LaFluer had a clue. 

Bingo!

[UnknownJetFan]

50 minutes ago, Nixhead said:

I look at some current playoff teams and I see Bills: Diggs, Gabe Davis, Singletary, Allen, Knox, Cook  49ers I see: Deebo, McCaffrey, Kittle, Aiyuk, Jennings   Chiefs I see: MaHomes, Kelce,JuJu, Pacheco, Helaire, Hardman, and etc. You guys get the picture. Other teams all have 4-6 playmakers. The Jets have Garrett Wilson and had Breece Hall and who else? Don't tell me Mims! Moore - hasn't shown a whole lot. Michael Carter - didn't make many tacklers miss this year. Conklin - safety valve but playmaker - maybe. Cory Davis is a play wrecker when he's healthy. Berrios - not this season. So are these Jets magically going to become playmakers with a new OC and QB or do the Jets also need 1 or 2 more running backs and 2 more starting receivers? Seems like this team needs almost a whole new offense and that's not going to be easy to do in 1 offseason. Thank god for Garrett Wilson and a healthy Breece Hall.

Keep in mind Jets only give up 20 points a game, so even with the skill players they have now, a better Oline and QB and they will be able to get double digit wins. But, as you said it would not hurt to get more help at WR, RB, and TE.

[Darnold Schwarzenegger]

Definitely need to add a weapon to the WR room. Would be nice to have another stud opposite Garret Wilson. Have Moore play out of the slot.

Breece Carter and bam should be fine at rb.
Conklin and uzomah should be more than good with a real qb. There aren’t a lot of playmaking TEs. So it would be a hard upgrade. I’d say Kittle, kelce, Andrews, Waller, goedert, are the 5 best and then it’s a dramatic fall off after that. 

[JETS SB]

28 minutes ago, Darnold Schwarzenegger said:

Definitely need to add a weapon to the WR room. Would be nice to have another stud opposite Garret Wilson. Have Moore play out of the slot.

Breece Carter and bam should be fine at rb.
Conklin and uzomah should be more than good with a real qb. There aren’t a lot of playmaking TEs. So it would be a hard upgrade. I’d say Kittle, kelce, Andrews, Waller, goedert, are the 5 best and then it’s a dramatic fall off after that. 

TJ Hockenson is a stud. And there are several more on the rise. 

[derp]

The OP overrates some players on playoff teams and underrates some Jets to make a point.

That said, the Jets do need more offensive playmakers.

Although they do need more playmakers, the QB play was abysmal.

And the offensive coordinator did an inadequate job with the players at his disposal.

All can be true.

[bitonti]

2 hours ago, JETS SB said:

I feel like CJ Uzomah was under-utilized. He made some huge plays for us and was a go to guy with Cincinnati getting around 50 receptions last year. A Good QB could make him a big target for us, in my opinion. He was the receiving end of Zach’s best offensive play this year. Jimmy G and Derek Carr love throwing to a big TE. I like him over Conklin. 

CJ uzomah is slow af and getting slower every year 

Bad signing 

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

Don’t know

But Daboll has somehow made Daniel Jones look like Josh Allen

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

Would be quite the experiment to see Daboll coach Kapono for a year just to see if he truly is a miracle worker

[sirlancemehlot]

You saw Brady look pedestrian when under heavy pressure,  little run game to open up routes and receivers dropping balls. And that's Brady. Jets qbs suffered the same fate all season. White was beaten to a pul and nearly broken in half. So do we blame the QBs? Yea. A bit. But the problem was systemic.   Starting with the absolute marriage to the zone running scheme. A mix of power run blocking, maybe 40% or so, will open holes at both the first and second levels. Our interior OL is athletic enough to pull combo block and work upfield. But they aren't used that way. It's just step grab and push. Pass blocking needs a solid back or better, a fullback for blitz pickup in max protect. Sounds old school but I've watched the playoff games and I saw power blocking schemes be successful  to a degree that I believe the pendulum is swinging back in that direction.   If Zach gets another shot, he should be under center at least a dozen times a fame, and should have designed runs called for him. He'll need to learn to climb the pocket more than he rolls out of it, too . The longer he's upright and looking downfield, the more opportunities he has to find the short windows and throw with timing. We to draft another solid tackle. And though it might sound unorthodox, I belive AVT swaps with Becton. The measurable go against it, but a monstrous guard who can be a plow in the interior could make our running game top 5 with the backs we have. Breece, Bam and Carter as a third down back could only benefit. Id like to pick up D Hopkins and pair him with g Wilson and see if Zack can improve with a better OC.  defensively  Bryce Huff needs to be on the field for 50% of the snaps minimum. Jermaine Johnson needs at least 30%  

[hmhertz]

35 minutes ago, bitonti said:

CJ uzomah is slow af and getting slower every year 

Bad signing 

Speedy Jelani Woods ran a 4.61

Slowpoke Uzomah ran a 4.62

[BP]

5 hours ago, Charlie Brown said:

The Jets have more playmakers on Offense than they have had in over a decade and it is not close IMO!

The OC has to know how to use them, period....

For example....

No targets for Moore in games or using him on essentially go routes was in fact incompetence!

Listen, the jets had a banged up offensive line and he keeps calling for running plays by a bumb running back into eleven defenders.

I can count on one hand how many 3 step drops and slants and play action pass on first down I had seen from the jets this year.and every time they did it it worked! And he would go away from it which always caused 2nd and 3rd and long and put our sh*tty qbs in obvious passing situations, which got white killed and zw psyched out. 

I agree 100% it was MLF job to get the ball to our playmakers and utilize the tight ends more. He was literally obsessed with running the ball.

Let me add that I hated the empty backfield and once they got in the red zone they never took one shot in the end zone (the last time I remember them doing it was the end of the browns game when they had no choice and the Vikings game when they had no choice)

[JetsAddict]

3 hours ago, bitonti said:

CJ uzomah is slow af and getting slower every year 

Bad signing 

Awful signing. Conklin isn’t much better and he was second on the team in targets. 

[BP]

3 hours ago, bitonti said:

CJ uzomah is slow af and getting slower every year 

Bad signing 

But he looked good in his bunny outfit though. What a ******* clown show the Jets are. Can’t believe they had no issues with this sh*t before an important game that they sh*t the bed in.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

2 hours ago, hmhertz said:

Speedy Jelani Woods ran a 4.61

Slowpoke Uzomah ran a 4.62

40 times are overrated 

I think Antonio Brown ran worse than a 4.6 predraft

No way Uzomah is beating prime AB in a footrace

YAC is really about early acceleration within the 1st few steps.

Not many TEs have it.  Kittle does.

[68JET11]

7 hours ago, KINGDIRK said:

Not saying MLF should have been kept but anyone who thinks our QB situation wasn’t the major issue with this offense is just a complete homer. 

Zach had a lot to do with it, for sure. However it was MLF's inability to get the most out of what he had, or to be flexible in what he had. This crap about Mims, and Moore. All of us who don't coach in the NFL, new that Moore wasn't an outside guy. 

[southparkcpa]

6 hours ago, bitonti said:

CJ uzomah is slow af and getting slower every year 

Bad signing 

 

2 hours ago, JetsAddict said:

Awful signing. Conklin isn’t much better and he was second on the team in targets. 

How is that possible.. JD is God like.  Just read the board will ya....

[BP]

2 hours ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

40 times are overrated 

I think Antonio Brown ran worse than a 4.6 predraft

No way Uzomah is beating prime AB in a footrace

YAC is really about early acceleration within the 1st few steps.

Not many TEs have it.  Kittle does.

Jerry rice had a sh*tty 40 time, but nobody could catch him or keep up with him.

[Charlie Brown]

8 hours ago, Matt39 said:

 

Ummmmmmm this post while about Zach Wilson, really concerns me about Lamar Jackson…

[SickJetFan]

5 hours ago, sirlancemehlot said:

You saw Brady look pedestrian when under heavy pressure,  little run game to open up routes and receivers dropping balls. And that's Brady. Jets qbs suffered the same fate all season. White was beaten to a pul and nearly broken in half. So do we blame the QBs? Yea. A bit. But the problem was systemic.   Starting with the absolute marriage to the zone running scheme. A mix of power run blocking, maybe 40% or so, will open holes at both the first and second levels. Our interior OL is athletic enough to pull combo block and work upfield. But they aren't used that way. It's just step grab and push. Pass blocking needs a solid back or better, a fullback for blitz pickup in max protect. Sounds old school but I've watched the playoff games and I saw power blocking schemes be successful  to a degree that I believe the pendulum is swinging back in that direction.   If Zach gets another shot, he should be under center at least a dozen times a fame, and should have designed runs called for him. He'll need to learn to climb the pocket more than he rolls out of it, too . The longer he's upright and looking downfield, the more opportunities he has to find the short windows and throw with timing. We to draft another solid tackle. And though it might sound unorthodox, I belive AVT swaps with Becton. The measurable go against it, but a monstrous guard who can be a plow in the interior could make our running game top 5 with the backs we have. Breece, Bam and Carter as a third down back could only benefit. Id like to pick up D Hopkins and pair him with g Wilson and see if Zack can improve with a better OC.  defensively  Bryce Huff needs to be on the field for 50% of the snaps minimum. Jermaine Johnson needs at least 30%  

been waiting for some time for someone to actually say this lol as to me this is the root of all their issues on offense.  The scheme just doesn't fit the players they have..  They run hot/cold every game and the OL get blown out far too often to win.  This is why MLF and Benton are gone and they are gone because it was the only system they knew.  They should have been more flexible and mixed in more gap here and there instead of being so predictable.

[rangerous]

it was milfy's job to get the offense ready to play and that included the qb.  he most likely made the decision to go with flacco to start the season.  might have been the wrong call in hindsight.  when zwilson was ready he had to start.  as for the oline, it's milfy's job to make sure they're being coached right and understand what they need to do.  same goes for the wide outs.  milfy failed because he couldn't communicate with his staff and players.  and saleh failed by not paying attention to what was going on.  it's all part of that quiet room saleh wants.

[oatmeal]

Lmao

zach Wilson is dogg water 

 

[Dunnie]

4 minutes ago, oatmeal said:

Lmao

zach Wilson is dogg water 

 

[oatmeal]

Just now, Dunnie said:

Zach Wilson couldn’t hold Lamar Jackson ‘s jockstrap. 
 

It’s amazing the Wilson truthers will find anything to diminish a MvP but do anything to uplift a historical bust.