Choose Your Weapon: QB

[Barry McCockinner]

Which would be your preference? Assume these are the deals available. I tried to go with what I believe are realistic contracts/trades based on what we know but I'm sure there will be debate about that. 

[Bronx]

Carr's upside, stats and durability makes him the top choice from your list. 

[Rhg1084]

lol who voted for Minshew?

[Joe W. Namath]

ABC

Anyone but Carr

[jgb]

1 minute ago, Rhg1084 said:

lol who voted for Minshew?

[Barry McCockinner]

1 minute ago, Rhg1084 said:

lol who voted for Minshew?

votes are public - you can click on the count and see who

[Jet Nut]

2 minutes ago, jgb said:

Didn’t even have to check.  Lol

[CanadienJetsFan]

After hearing what Rogers said yesterday, he becomes a viable option. If the Packers move on from his teammate buddies, he’ll be moved.

[slats]

4 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

lol who voted for Minshew?

He was pretty unimpressive playing for maybe the best team in the league this year. 

[JetsFanatic]

Don’t have much of an interest in Minshew or Tannehill. Jackson or Carr would be a great pick up, even with the trade and financial compensation requirements for Jackson.

[jgb]

1 minute ago, slats said:

He was pretty unimpressive playing for maybe the best team in the league this year. 

I put more weight on his previous 22 starts, 20 of which were for the worst team in the league at the time 

[Jet Nut]

6 minutes ago, slats said:

He was pretty unimpressive playing for maybe the best team in the league this year. 

Playing for his career, he choked.  

[slats]

1 minute ago, jgb said:

I put more weight on his previous 22 starts, 20 of which were for the worst team in the league at the time 

Your guys are the, “let’s hope Zach can beat him out,” guys on the list, imho, not what I’d consider a true starting option. More like placeholders. But I don’t love anyone on this list. Carr is a compiler, and as talented as Jackson is, he’s not a plug & play QB. For Jackson, they’d have to hire the OC who could get the most out of him. And even then, I hate building around running QBs; when they go down, so does the team. And before you say that’s every FQB, it’s way worse when your QB is also your leading rusher. 

[Warfish]

18 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Which would be your preference?

None of the above. 

But if this is it, I choose Carr. 

Lowest risk of outright failure, highest likelihood of passing production success at a top 15 or higher level.

But I wouldn't be happy with it, the length or the cost.

18 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Assume these are the deals available.

That's a false choice fallacy tbqh, there are many very reasonable, real-world options not listed. 

Not saying they'd be popular (Sticking with Wilson (which is what I still believe JD is going to do, for the record), signing Baker Mayfield for one example, drafting Tanner McKee at #13 as another example) but they are clearly real-world options.

18 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

I tried to go with what I believe are realistic contracts/trades based on what we know but I'm sure there will be debate about that. 

There will, lol. 

[Warfish]

4 minutes ago, slats said:

Your guys are the, “let’s hope Zach can beat him out,” guys on the list, imho, not what I’d consider a true starting option. More like placeholders. But I don’t love anyone on this list. Carr is a compiler, and as talented as Jackson is, he’s not a plug & play QB. For Jackson, they’d have to hire the OC who could get the most out of him. And even then, I hate building around running QBs; when they go down, so does the team. And before you say that’s every FQB, it’s way worse when your QB is also your leading rusher. 

Can't help but notice you haven't voted as of yet.

So...which of these available choices is your guy slats?

 

[jgb]

4 minutes ago, slats said:

Your guys are the, “let’s hope Zach can beat him out,” guys on the list, imho, not what I’d consider a true starting option. More like placeholders. But I don’t love anyone on this list. Carr is a compiler, and as talented as Jackson is, he’s not a plug & play QB. For Jackson, they’d have to hire the OC who could get the most out of him. And even then, I hate building around running QBs; when they go down, so does the team. And before you say that’s every FQB, it’s way worse when your QB is also your leading rusher. 

I’m mostly just being cheeky with the Minshew thing. I do think he’s a serviceable starter. But he’s not going to be an option for the Jets and regime which are now in win-now mode.

[slats]

4 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Can't help but notice you haven't voted as of yet.

So...which of these available choices is your guy slats?

 

Like I said, I’m not a fan of that list. Fortunately, the Jets aren’t aren’t waiting for my input. 
 
There’s a big picture involved. When you start talking draft picks and big money for one of these guys -whether you realize it or not- you’re also talking about things like relying on Becton to start at OT, passing on other upgrades, etc. But if you go small, you get what you pay for. Way above my pay grade. 

[JetsAddict]

Where is Zach Wilson on the option sheet?

Also the answer is Lamar. Don’t overthink it. 

[Warfish]

4 minutes ago, slats said:

Like I said, I’m not a fan of that list. Fortunately, the Jets aren’t aren’t waiting for my input. 
 
There’s a big picture involved. When you start talking draft picks and big money for one of these guys -whether you realize it or not- you’re also talking about things like relying on Becton to start at OT, passing on other upgrades, etc. But if you go small, you get what you pay for. Way above my pay grade. 

I wasn't a fan of this limited list either (as noted).  But I still voted.

Seems like a cop out on your part.  Of course, given your history on QB preferences, I get why you might be hesitant....

And no, the Jets aren't waiting for any of our input.  Maybe they'd be better off if they were, lol.

[JiFtheOracle]

[slats]

1 minute ago, Warfish said:

I wasn't a fan of this limited list either (as noted).  But I still voted.

Seems like a cop out on your part.  Of course, given your history on QB preferences, I get why you might be hesitant....

And no, the Jets aren't waiting for any of our input.  Maybe they'd be better off if they were, lol.

Lol, I didn’t realize voting was mandatory 

[JetsAddict]

Also zero chance Minshew gets that deal. High end backups go for 1 year $5MM

[JetsAddict]

36 minutes ago, CanadienJetsFan said:

After hearing what Rogers said yesterday, he becomes a viable option. If the Packers move on from his teammate buddies, he’ll be moved.

I don’t want a declining Rodgers hanging around a young team. Seems like a bad fit. 

[JetsAddict]

31 minutes ago, slats said:

Your guys are the, “let’s hope Zach can beat him out,” guys on the list, imho, not what I’d consider a true starting option. More like placeholders. But I don’t love anyone on this list. Carr is a compiler, and as talented as Jackson is, he’s not a plug & play QB. For Jackson, they’d have to hire the OC who could get the most out of him. And even then, I hate building around running QBs; when they go down, so does the team. And before you say that’s every FQB, it’s way worse when your QB is also your leading rusher. 

Jackson isn’t perfect, but he’s the best chance to become the long term solution. Carr at best is a stop gap and I think you could find comparable play for a lot cheaper. 
 

[Warfish]

4 minutes ago, slats said:

Lol, I didn’t realize voting was mandatory 

It's not.

And like I said, given your history on QB preferences, I get it.

Far easier to troll others from the sidelines, no risk there.

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

It would be LITTTT if we got Lamar but I don't really want to give up 2 first rounders.

I'd throw the Raiders a 4th and grab Carr.

If a guy Levis or Richardson fell to us in the draft , I would also draft them and sit them the whole time. 

[RedBeardedSavage]

Of these choices? Carr.

Rodgers, though. 

[freestater]

5 minutes ago, Warfish said:

It's not.

And like I said, given your history on QB preferences, I get it.

Far easier to troll others from the sidelines, no risk there.

[GangGreened]

Of those options, with those numbers, Carr.

[Barry McCockinner]

28 minutes ago, JetsAddict said:

Also zero chance Minshew gets that deal. High end backups go for 1 year $5MM

I think he gets a chance to be a starter. He's never been a FA. It will be a "show me" starter deal. That's the type of deal the Jets would be going for if they wanted this "type" of QB.

[Barry McCockinner]

52 minutes ago, Warfish said:

None of the above. 

But if this is it, I choose Carr. 

Lowest risk of outright failure, highest likelihood of passing production success at a top 15 or higher level.

But I wouldn't be happy with it, the length or the cost.

That's a false choice fallacy tbqh, there are many very reasonable, real-world options not listed. 

Not saying they'd be popular (Sticking with Wilson (which is what I still believe JD is going to do, for the record), signing Baker Mayfield for one example, drafting Tanner McKee at #13 as another example) but they are clearly real-world options.

There will, lol. 

obviously there are a bunch of other possibilities. I tried to go with different type of QB options here and didn't see listing out all the similar types - IE: Minshew, Dalton, Mayfield are all similar quality QB's that will get a similar deal. I think there's close to 0 chance we don't bring in a veteran to start so I avoided the draft option.

[Peteo]

You left out none of the above.  Look at SF with Purdy drafted last.  The talent is out there just have to have the eye to find it.

[GreenFish]

Based on those options, Carr.

But I would prefer we trade for Carr. His current contract would be more cap friendly.

[Barry McCockinner]

1 minute ago, Peteo said:

You left out none of the above.  Look at SF with Purdy drafted last.  The talent is out there just have to have the eye to find it.

close to 0 chance the Jets don't go with a veteran QB this offseason. They need to win now and can't wait on a rookie to come up to speed.

[T0mShane]

I think you guys taking the bait on Derek Carr are nuts. He’d come here with that youth pastor energy and melt down faster than Carl Pavano did with the Yankees.