Jet Nut Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 2 hours ago, bitonti said: they spend what is mandated by the salary cap/floor system. They don't go overboard in areas where spending isn't mandated like coaching, scouting or training staff heck it took like half the league getting hurt at metlife for them to look at replacing the turf Well which is it? Before you said they didn’t up to the cap, now they do and only because it’s mandated? No. JD redid the scouting dept, added to it so that’s not true. Coaching staff? You have absolutely no idea ho much they spend compared to others. What are we talking anyway, a couple of million in the grand scheme of things? That’s silly at best. How about they train in a $100M facility while most teams are on a school fields. Like when Hess had them at Hofstra. Half the league got hurt at MetLife? What bs are you churning? They just put a new field down, what was supposed to be the latest, greatest turf and when the report came out questioning it the Jets announced the turf was coming up,and new turf is going down this offseason. You should quit with the cheap routine, you really a far off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 42 minutes ago, jgb said: Realized he can make more money with a cheap flop than an expensive hit Did you know the woman who played ulla ( in the zero motel movie) was a housewife from New Jersey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 9 hours ago, slats said: For his entire head coaching career, Sean Payton had Drew Brees as his QB in a dome in the NFC south. My suspicion is that he’s the most overrated coach in history, and that the team acquiring the rights to pay him a fortune will soon regret it. I understand the concern. One thing that plays in his favor, imo, is that Parcells brought him to Dallas. I feel like that means he saw something in him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 2 hours ago, Bungaman said: The closest to it, I believe, is Joe Gibbs leading the Foreskins to three Super Bowl wins with three decidedly average QB's. Even though he's a HOF'er, I still think he's the most underrated HC in the history of football 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: I understand the concern. One thing that plays in his favor, imo, is that Parcells brought him to Dallas. I feel like that means he saw something in him. Peyton is like .800 in games without Brees. I believe it's like 10 games. Not a giant sample size, true, however that percentage is higher than Bill Walsh without Montana/Young (<.400) and Belichick without Brady (<.500). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 6 hours ago, bitonti said: There's also no financial incentive to win games The owners that make that move are committed to winning. The Johnsons treat the franchise like a cash machine Who are these owners, as Peyton is still unemployed best as I can tell… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadienJetsFan Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 If my team was worth 5 billion, I’d PAY THE MAN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 The "Sean Payton is overrated" crowd is absurd. He's overseen 7 of the top 35 offenses (by yardage) in NFL history, including the # 1. Teddy Bridgewater, pretty much by far, played the best football of his career with Payton as his HC, (and Winston was excellent as well), so we know Payton can do the job even with middling QB play. He immediately brings viability to a Jets program that has been lacking adults in the room since forever. Come the f**k on already. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Teddy Bridgewater with Payton as his HC: 68 % completions, 9 TDs/2 INTs, 99.1 QB Rating, 5-0 record Jameis Winston with Payton as his HC: 61 % completions, 18 TDs/8 INTs, 7.3 YPA, 92.7 QB Rating Come on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost420 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 12 hours ago, TommyT said: Sean Payton should not be an option if you have to give 2 first rounders and pay 20-25 mil yearly. Let him stay an analyst. Do coaches count against the cap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VJphillyfan Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 13 hours ago, JetsAddict said: Hope Aaron Glenn gets a job. If not he could be a good candidate to replace Saleh in 2024. Not a bad thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VJphillyfan Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 15 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Teddy Bridgewater with Payton as his HC: 68 % completions, 9 TDs/2 INTs, 99.1 QB Rating, 5-0 record. Andy Dalton with Payton as his HC: 67 % completions, 18 TDs/9 INTs, 7.6 YPA, 95.2 QB rating (his highest since 2015). Jameis Winston with Payton as his HC: 61 % completions, 18 TDs/8 INTs, 7.3 YPA, 92.7 QB Rating Come on. And he’s still not coaching up Zach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 13 hours ago, JetsAddict said: Hope Aaron Glenn gets a job. If not he could be a good candidate to replace Saleh in 2024. You're talking about the defensive coordinator for one of the worst defenses in the NFL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VJphillyfan Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: You're talking about the defensive coordinator for one of the worst defenses in the NFL And Saleh coached the league’s worst defense in 2021. We added Sauce and QW played lights out suddenly Saleh is now a defensive guru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hex Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 9 hours ago, Zachtomims47 said: That's wild. I would've guessed he won 4 SB's or something lol He's been to 3 of them, and his teams have always been contending. The first half of his HC career was with the Eagles, who won their first Ring with Pederson in 2018. He's also the only HC to go to 4 straight conference champs with 2 different teams, as well as hit 100 wins each with 2 different teams, which is an amazing feat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 5 hours ago, JetPotato said: Instant classic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard13 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 15 hours ago, Integrity28 said: Holy smokes. And I want the Willy Wonka Golden Ticket. Eureka!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 7 hours ago, Bungaman said: The closest to it, I believe, is Joe Gibbs leading the Foreskins to three Super Bowl wins with three decidedly average QB's. I’d argue the closest to doing it was Mike Holmgren, who won in GB and was a few terrible calls away from winning another one with Seattle in 05 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 7 hours ago, Warfish said: Who are these owners, as Peyton is still unemployed best as I can tell… David tepper owner of the Carolina panthers is the richest owner in the NFL. He's also interviewing Payton this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 8 hours ago, Jet Nut said: Well which is it? Before you said they didn’t up to the cap, now they do and only because it’s mandated? No. JD redid the scouting dept, added to it so that’s not true. Coaching staff? You have absolutely no idea ho much they spend compared to others. What are we talking anyway, a couple of million in the grand scheme of things? That’s silly at best. How about they train in a $100M facility while most teams are on a school fields. Like when Hess had them at Hofstra. Half the league got hurt at MetLife? What bs are you churning? They just put a new field down, what was supposed to be the latest, greatest turf and when the report came out questioning it the Jets announced the turf was coming up,and new turf is going down this offseason. You should quit with the cheap routine, you really a far off No you're right the Jets are run really well It's just bad luck and coincidence they haven't made the playoffs for 12 years Keep telling yourself that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 36 minutes ago, bitonti said: No you're right the Jets are run really well It's just bad luck and coincidence they haven't made the playoffs for 12 years Keep telling yourself that You have been doing the cheapskate routine for years and frankly, its just false. Facts don't seem to matter to you on this issue. And when youre called out on it, you divert with a snide remark. I think you know that you are full of sh*t here most of the time. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 1 hour ago, bitonti said: No you're right the Jets are run really well It's just bad luck and coincidence they haven't made the playoffs for 12 years Keep telling yourself that As a business, they are run well. I know you think they’re like a mom and pop deli but they’re at the top of the money making list of teams. So I’ll keep telling myself that while you look confused while denying it and clinging to the cheap routine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 As a business, they are run well. I know you think they’re like a mom and pop deli but they’re at the top of the money making list of teams. So I’ll keep telling myself that while you look confused while denying it and clinging to the cheap routine. They are lucky to be in NY ... That is all.Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VJphillyfan Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 4 hours ago, bitonti said: David tepper owner of the Carolina panthers is the richest owner in the NFL. He's also interviewing Payton this week. And Payton probably prefers Sam Darnold over Zach Wilson. Ditto for Russell Wilson in Denver Sean Payton is not coming here. And even if he did he is not going to fix Zach Wilson he would probably bring in his own veteran QB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VJphillyfan Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 3 hours ago, Jet Nut said: As a business, they are run well. I know you think they’re like a mom and pop deli but they’re at the top of the money making list of teams. So I’ll keep telling myself that while you look confused while denying it and clinging to the cheap routine. What is so complicated about running the jets as a business? They are a NFL franchise and football is a product sells itself. Plus fantasy football and the internet last 20 years has caused the country’s most popular sport to become even more popular I’ll give woody credit for buying the jets before the value of the franchise skyrocketed. It’s literally the only good business move he has ever made on his own. That said his interference in football operations has been beyond disastrous even delusional homers like yourself have to admit it finallly 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 23 hours ago, Integrity28 said: Holy smokes. 2 first round picks for a HC is rediculous and Payton should be fighting that. Woody can pay him anything he wants. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 19 hours ago, slats said: Again, I’m not saying he sucks, I’m saying there’s no way he’s worth two first round picks and $20M/year. I agree on the draft pick compensation, but then again. Belichick cost a 1st and the exchange of two late picks. Payton has a better track record as an HC than Belichick did. Par$ells netted a 1st, 2nd 3rd and 4th spread-out over three years. Probably should be somewhere in the middle. As far as the contract, it is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 6 hours ago, bitonti said: David tepper owner of the Carolina panthers is the richest owner in the NFL. He's also interviewing Payton this week. I guess we'll see if he gives him $20 million a year. Also, not sure I'd consider the Panthers a well run organization tot his point, would you? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 On 1/19/2023 at 5:29 AM, TommyT said: Sean Payton should not be an option if you have to give 2 first rounders and pay 20-25 mil yearly. Let him stay an analyst. Coaches don’t count against the cap So let Woody spend 100M on a coach What do I care as long as he’s the right guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 7 hours ago, Dcat said: I think you know that you are full of sh*t here most of the time. Sorry you've got a little bit of boot polish on your tongue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Just now, bitonti said: Sorry you've got a little bit of boot polish on your tongue Logic, not polish. You should try some. It would improve most of your bat-sht crazy takes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 20 minutes ago, Dcat said: Logic, not polish. You should try some. It would improve most of your bat-sht crazy takes. I've had low or no expectations for the better part of a decade They've yet to surprise me It's one of the worst run organizations in professional sports What's crazy, being realistic or having faith that this is the year? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Warfish said: I guess we'll see if he gives him $20 million a year. Also, not sure I'd consider the Panthers a well run organization tot his point, would you? They certainly try harder. If a qb isn't working they get another. If a coach isn't working they pay him off In a way woody has a point. There's no sense in trying because winning is hard. There's no guarantee that trying equates to results There's no reason to pay for a big coach or big qb when end of the day Bill Beli and the bills are still going to dunk on you. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Just now, bitonti said: I've had low or no expectations for the better part of a decade They've yet to surprise me It's one of the worst run organizations in professional sports What's crazy, being realistic or having faith that this is the year? Neither. It is indeed one of the worst, perhaps in the 5 all-time worst, managed professional sports teams. But that doesn't mean I come on to this forum and totally make stuff up and repeat illogical nonsense that you do year after year. If the bullcrap you throw on this board makes you feel better, what can I say? I guess you're going to continue to medicate yourself here with all the nonsense you post in between the few outstanding posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, bitonti said: They certainly try harder. If a qb isn't working they get another. If a coach isn't working they pay him off In a way woody has a point. There's no sense in trying because winning is hard. There's no guarantee that trying equates to results There's no reason to pay for a big coach or big qb when end of the day Bill Beli and the bills are still going to dunk on you. Yeah I agree with this. The Giants and the Mara’s try. The Jets model is to give off the impression that they’re trying. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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