Wit Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 It probably gives us playoffs and a lucky run to the AFC championships game if the defense is elite. I think the floor is playoffs with a healthy Breece. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 6 minutes ago, JiFields said: You suspect wrong. Matt Stafford is a much better QB than Derek Carr and you're silly exercise didnt prove anything. I could give you 5 other examples of "similar stats" but who cares? None of this has anything to do w/ Derek Carr cant hold Lamar Jackson's jock strap. So I guess when you were mocking all of the Zach Wilson people for ignoring stats and basing everything on their personal eye tests, you didn’t really mean it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiF Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 4 minutes ago, Dunnie said: Carr is the better option than Lamar for this team. I disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Jet fans will not be happy unless pat mahomes is playing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, slimjasi said: Lol, why are you pretending you don’t understand stats all of a sudden. Are QB stats only meaningful when they fit your narrative? As I alluded to already (did you just not read my post?) Carr has a slightly better career completion percentage (64.6 vs 63.2), a better career QB rating ( 91.8 vs 90.9), a better career TD:INT ratio (2.19 vs 1.97), and a lower career interception % (2.0 vs 2.4). Stafford has a slightly better career yards/attempt (7.3 vs 7.1). Oh, and since you brought up QB records, Stafford is 89-101-1 and Carr is 63-79. Are you still . . . “confused”? Lol. So - maybe comparing Carr with Stafford is “bonkers” to you, but to me, Carr has slightly better career passing production than Stafford and is younger than Stafford was when he was traded to the Rams. Other than verifiable tangible numbers related to everything a qb does on a football field what you got bro? Say Staaafffforrrrrd then say Caaarrrr. Which sounds better dude? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: Jet fans will not be happy unless pat mahomes is playing Even then the narrative would have been he only got picked because his father was a Mets pitcher - stupid Jets . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiF Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 4 minutes ago, slimjasi said: So I guess when you were mocking all of the Zach Wilson people for ignoring stats and basing everything on their personal eye tests, you didn’t really mean it? Cool, so for the record, you think Carr is better than Stafford and I'm going to disagree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 11 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said: Who cares if Carr is elite or not, Jets don't need elite at this point , they need someone who can stabilize the position. Why not stick w/ Mike White? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiF Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said: Other than verifiable tangible numbers related to everything a qb does on a football field what you got bro? Say Staaafffforrrrrd then say Caaarrrr. Which sounds better dude? you're such a turn on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, peebag said: Why not stick w/ Mike White? Because he's not that good. It's the backup QB syndrome , everyone loves the backup until the backup starts consistently and gets exposed for what he his. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClashFan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Is Carr even at all interested in playing on the east coast, esp. the cold northeast? Sure, he'll say he is in order to get as many bidders as possible and drive up his contract. Is there anything to the argument that he's bad in cold weather? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 4 minutes ago, JiFields said: Cool, so for the record, you think Carr is better than Stafford and I'm going to disagree. Another nice dodge. Again, never really said this, just pointed out that they are at least comparable - and folks can certainly make an argument for Carr. But you did say you were confused. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiF Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, TheClashFan said: Is Carr even at all interested in playing on the east coast, esp. the cold northeast? Sure, he'll say he is in order to get as many bidders as possible and drive up his contract. Is there anything to the argument that he's bad in cold weather? 100%, except here in the make believe where Derek Carr is better than Matt Stafford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiF Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Just now, slimjasi said: Another nice dodge. Again, never really said this, just pointed out that they are at least comparable - and folks can certainly make an argument for Carr. But you did say you were confused. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 16 minutes ago, Dunnie said: Carr is the better option than Lamar for this team. This is true, but because the Jets are trash and will never win 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Just now, JiFields said: 100%, except here in the make believe where Derek Carr is better than Matt Stafford. Ugh, I know, that “make believe” data is so annoying. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, TheClashFan said: Is Carr even at all interested in playing on the east coast, esp. the cold northeast? Sure, he'll say he is in order to get as many bidders as possible and drive up his contract. Is there anything to the argument that he's bad in cold weather? He hasn't been good in cold weather but its a small sample size. Plus when you consider he's had to play at Den and at KC as a fair % of those games its easy to see him having a poor record. It would be like saying Jets QB's are bad in cold weather because they've played a lot of late season games in Buf and Ne. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClashFan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, JiFields said: 100%, except here in the make believe where Derek Carr is better than Matt Stafford. Okay, but how many cold weather games has he played in, and what do those numbers look like? Reasonable sample or small one? I guess we'd need to define "cold weather," too. What temperature does that start at? Like 55 degrees, maybe or lower? I'm genuinely curious, not trolling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreened Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 He brings us to pretty much the same place Lamar Jackson or Jimmy G would. But likely the “safest” option Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 10 minutes ago, TheClashFan said: Okay, but how many cold weather games has he played in, and what do those numbers look like? Reasonable sample or small one? I guess we'd need to define "cold weather," too. What temperature does that start at? Like 55 degrees, maybe or lower? I'm genuinely curious, not trolling. Drafted in the second round of the 2014 NFL Draft, Derek Carr became the first quarterback in Raider history to start Week 1 of his rookie year. Carr has remained the team’s QB1 since and has appeared in six contests where the weather was 36 degrees or colder. In these games, the 31-year-old has a record of 0-6, never logging more than one touchdown nor leading his team to more than 19 points in any individual contest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiF Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 13 minutes ago, TheClashFan said: Okay, but how many cold weather games has he played in, and what do those numbers look like? Reasonable sample or small one? I guess we'd need to define "cold weather," too. What temperature does that start at? Like 55 degrees, maybe or lower? I'm genuinely curious, not trolling. Oh, I thought you were being silly, its really bad and often discussed, which is why he's a terrible fit here. https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/derek-carr-s-cold-weather-stats-how-effective-raiders-qb-subzero-temperatures https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/cold_truth_las_vegas_qb_derek_carr_stinks_in_freezing_temperatures/s1_13132_38281312 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 16 minutes ago, T0mShane said: This is true, but because the Jets are trash and will never win What did I tell you about projecting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 4 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said: Drafted in the second round of the 2014 NFL Draft, Derek Carr became the first quarterback in Raider history to start Week 1 of his rookie year. Carr has remained the team’s QB1 since and has appeared in six contests where the weather was 36 degrees or colder. In these games, the 31-year-old has a record of 0-6, never logging more than one touchdown nor leading his team to more than 19 points in any individual contest. Cool stat! Who did they play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 What’s funny when reading all these responses about who the top priority and option for QB should be, is that the Jets aren’t going to be the preferred top option for any of these guys being mentioned. It will most likely be a game of musical chairs and the last one standing will be forced to be the Jets QB. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 31 minutes ago, peebag said: Why not stick w/ Mike White? If we can't bring in a star QB then I'd be okay with bringing in a veteran QB (e.g. Darnold, Dalton, etc) and letting him compete with MFW. The key thing I want from this offseason is for JD to continue to build the team. We badly need OL and probably a #2 WR on offense. We certainly have needs on defense as well (e.g. LB and S) but I think we need to throw most of our resources into the offense for now. I think during this entire playoff drought our offense has been below average every year except for 2015, which was a Fitz mirage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 10 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said: Cool stat! Who did they play? Just a guess but I imagine teams that play outdoor games in cold weather 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Untouchable Posted January 22 Popular Post Share Posted January 22 4,000 yards, 25 TD’s, 10 INT’s and 65% completions every year. The Jets have the sh*ttiest QB history this side of the Chicago Bears and fans are turning their noses up at Derek Carr… Astounding 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClashFan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 12 minutes ago, JiFields said: Oh, I thought you were being silly, its really bad and often discussed, which is why he's a terrible fit here. https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/derek-carr-s-cold-weather-stats-how-effective-raiders-qb-subzero-temperatures https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/cold_truth_las_vegas_qb_derek_carr_stinks_in_freezing_temperatures/s1_13132_38281312 Okay, so sign both Carr and MW. Start Carr in any game where the temperature is not real cold, say 50 degrees and above. Start MW in the cold games. Hopefully that's no more than 3 before he gets hurt again. Hope your postseason games are in domes. Now I'm being silly. Or am I? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Just a guess but I imagine teams that play outdoor games in cold weather The 85 Bears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 38 minutes ago, peebag said: Why not stick w/ Mike White? ChillyGiddyFlycatcher-mobile.mp4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, Untouchable said: 4,000 yards, 25 TD’s, 10 INT’s and 65% completions every year. The Jets have the sh*ttiest QB history this side of the Chicago Bears and fans are turning their noses up at Derek Carr… Astounding It’s appalling. I’m appalled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 27 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said: Drafted in the second round of the 2014 NFL Draft, Derek Carr became the first quarterback in Raider history to start Week 1 of his rookie year. Carr has remained the team’s QB1 since and has appeared in six contests where the weather was 36 degrees or colder. In these games, the 31-year-old has a record of 0-6, never logging more than one touchdown nor leading his team to more than 19 points in any individual contest. 22 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said: Cool stat! Who did they play? "Cool stat"? I see what you did there! ! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 52 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said: Other than verifiable tangible numbers related to everything a qb does on a football field what you got bro? Say Staaafffforrrrrd then say Caaarrrr. Which sounds better dude? Lol, I'll add some of my input here: We've seen huge trades for Watson and Wilson + given massive contracts, only to under perform. A massive risk when considering Lamar. We've seen Carr with 4 different HCs, in 2 different cities, and receive multiple large contracts - he has been the definition of consistency, the word Douglas harped on in his end of season presser. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 3 hours ago, JiFields said: Meh, he's had 2 winning seasons in 9 and I've never really respected the Raiders during his run as starter, so I guess you're just hoping things will be different here, which I understand but 9 years is a lot of data. Comparing the Jets and Raiders defenses and yes I’d expect things to be different with the Jets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 I can’t help but think Carr is more like a Kirk cousins or even tannehill than a guy who can carry the team. Those comebacks are kind of fools gold. Sure it shows some poise but late in the game teams tend to play safe or get tired. Even the jets showed an ability to supposed turn on the offense in the fourth qtr at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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