this offseason is an inflection point, but which direction is worse?

[Phillyjet]

As I see it, the Jets are backed into a corner.  Weak QB room and the knowledge that JD and Saleh are on a 1-year prove-it deal make this a destination that very few OC's (experienced at least) would want unless they were: 1) without options; 2) from the area; or 3) desperate to take that shot at rehabbing their image.  This may force the Jets to buy high for an experienced QB who could either launch us, or send us back into an abyss for years, worse than we saw with Russell Wilson this year.

So there are basically three options:

1) Buy high for a Carr, and use that to recruit a bonafide OC who will help right the ship, let Zach go to QB 2, start thinking about re-drafting over the next couple of years.  Carr would have to waive his no-trade.  And so he'd have to want to come here... doubting this possibility, but probably the best scenario is to absorb his contract because we'd have an out in a year.  We'd have little flexibility to bring in reserves as FAs so the tank would not be getting much fuller, and we'd likely lose our 2nd or 3rd round pick to make this trade.  I doubt we'd lose our first, as the Raiders are backed into a corner too and will have to release him otherwise.  Still, I'm skeptical that Carr will want to come here.

2) Compete to buy a high end QB as FA, busts our entire free agency, we are left with scraps at OC, but we'd likely be on the hook for multiple expensive years, with a risky older QB or one who has mid-career bust potential (e.g. Garoppolo).  Could set us back a few years, with a house clean-out next offseason.  But perhaps there's a chance we catch lightning in a bottle,  we get good QB play next year, go to divisional round of playoffs, Saleh and Douglas extended.  

3) Buy a bridge QB (Brissett, Darnold, White), reclamation OC, hope we catch lightning in a bottle, but most likely see a house clean-out next year, replete with all of our draft picks, (high first rounder) where we hit reset once again.  But we limit the duration of pain from the Zach bust.

Which are we signing up for?  Because none of them seem that great or come with a high likelihood of an immediate payoff, excepting maybe Carr.  At least with Carr, we'd have an out after one year.  But I very much doubt he'll want to come here.  We'll see.

[Gen X Jet]

Give Gruden a call.

[peebag]

Doomed.

[JetsAddict]

The more I think about the more I want to go the bridge Qb+ ZW route. If they crash and burn maybe they will be in the Caleb Williams sweepstakes. Either way I think the next coach and GM should be able to pick their QB. If they get locked into Carr I think the GM and HC job becomes less attractive. 

[56mehl56]

9 minutes ago, JetsAddict said:

The more I think about the more I want to go the bridge Qb+ ZW route. If they crash and burn maybe they will be in the Caleb Williams sweepstakes. Either way I think the next coach and GM should be able to pick their QB. If they get locked into Carr I think the GM and HC job becomes less attractive. 

Just imagine the Jets drafting another USC QB , there will be riots . 

[rangerous]

i think the jets are at a crossroad mainly because the talent is there to be a win now team.  i also think that milfy had a more negative impact on this team than just failing to develop wilson.  with that being said, none of the qb's currently on the market are sure fire to get the jets into the playoffs and beyond.  but they are win now so they should try to go with the best.  imo rodgers may be the right guy especially if the jets think wilson can be the starter in one or two seasons.  after that it gets a little tricky because guys like carr and minshew aren't going to come to the jets to keep the seat warm for zwilson.  both of these guys will want longer term deals and the starter job.  add to this the need to hire the right oc and coaches.  if zwilson is to be the future then they need to go with one type of coach.  if they have a solid vet at qb then they can use a different type of oc.  at this point you have to wonder if zwilson is coming up as a huge topic in the discussions with potential oc's.

[JetsAddict]

1 minute ago, 56mehl56 said:

Just imagine the Jets drafting another USC QB , there will be riots . 

Not worried about it. Williams is stud. He’s also a mercenary from OU that Lincoln Riley brought over. Lock #1 overall pick

[section314]

I’ll ask it again… why do you or anyone else think JD or Saleh are on 1 Year prove it deals? All the evidence points to exactly the opposite.

[56mehl56]

1 minute ago, JetsAddict said:

Not worried about it. Williams is stud. He’s also a mercenary from OU that Lincoln Riley brought over. Lock #1 overall pick

I wouldn't say lock #1 , seen too many heralded college qb's have down years for whatever reason , but he should be in the mix for #1 . 

[56mehl56]

1 minute ago, section314 said:

I’ll ask it again… why do you or anyone else think JD or Saleh are on 1 Year prove it deals? All the evidence points to exactly the opposite.

Agree, unless they totally flame out this year I doubt they are going anywhere .

[#27TheDominator]

They had better have an OC in place before they make any move on a QB.  They can't wait on getting an OC in place and it will take time to make a move for a QB.  Even Carr who I think the Raiders have to trade or cut by February 16.  

[JetsAddict]

3 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said:

Agree, unless they totally flame out this year I doubt they are going anywhere .

Douglas only had two years on his contract. I don’t see Woody going into 2024 with a lame duck gm

[Larz]

6 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

They had better have an OC in place before they make any move on a QB.  They can't wait on getting an OC in place and it will take time to make a move for a QB.  Even Carr who I think the Raiders have to trade or cut by February 16.  

I don’t think you can trade anyone until march 15 ?  

[greenwichjetfan]

The only bridge I want is the one that gets me to Arch Manning in a Jets uniform.

[Bronx]

this offseason is an inflection point, but which direction is worse?

Keep being a NY Jets fan.

[56mehl56]

12 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

The only bridge I want is the one that gets me to Arch Manning in a Jets uniform.

Let's see if he can hack it in the Big 12 this season before we anoint him anything. 

[#27TheDominator]

4 minutes ago, Larz said:

I don’t think you can trade anyone until march 15 ?  

Maybe I have it wrong, but I think the Raiders have to cut him 3 days after the waiver period starts, which I think is February 13, or his contract is guaranteed for 2023.  Because of that I have been hearing they have to trade him ASAP.  Maybe it would be a trade like the Alex Smith deal to Washington that is made, but not consumated until months later?

[section314]

7 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said:

Let's see if he can hack it in the Big 12 this season before we anoint him anything. 

When do they join SEC? 2024?

[56mehl56]

2 minutes ago, section314 said:

When do they join SEC? 2024?

Yes , I believe so . 

[greenwichjetfan]

13 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said:

Let's see if he can hack it in the Big 12 this season before we anoint him anything. 

Obviously I wasn't serious about giving up the next 3 years, but for the sake of argument,

Annointing Zach Wilson - he of the BYU variety who came out of nowhere due to an amazing PR team and connections to Steve Young is perfectly reasonable.

Annointing Arch Manning - he of the Manning pedigree, #1 QB in the country, going to play for Texas is blasphemy. 

Just want to make sure we're on the same page here.

[chirorob]

48 minutes ago, JetsAddict said:

Not worried about it. Williams is stud. He’s also a mercenary from OU that Lincoln Riley brought over. Lock #1 overall pick

At this point, if a first round QB coming out in the draft pulled an ELI and refused the Jets, I don't think I could argue against the kid.

[56mehl56]

5 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

Obviously I wasn't serious about giving up the next 3 years, but for the sake of argument,

Annointing Zach Wilson - he of the BYU variety who came out of nowhere due to an amazing PR team and connections to Steve Young is perfectly reasonable.

Annointing Arch Manning - he of the Manning pedigree, #1 QB in the country, going to play for Texas is blasphemy. 

Just want to make sure we're on the same page here.

He hasn't taken 1 single snap in college yet , let's slow the roll on Arch. 

[Claymation]

1 hour ago, Larz said:

I don’t think you can trade anyone until march 15 ?  

You can't announce it until then, but you can work on the trade prior to that. You do run the risk of the team backing out up to the start of the new year. That puts the Raiders on the hook for the contract. And that reason is why he will be cut.

[PepPep]

I think its a no-brainer to go after Carr. 

JD is really our saving grace here. If he comes to the Raiders, offers them a good deal (lets say a 2nd round pick) and presents Carr with the opportunity to have input on the coordinator search, I could see this working out and I could see Carr being willing to re-work his deal to push money back. I would imagine JD would present this as a massive push to compete for a SB, with weapons, a re-tooled o-line and a top 5 defense. Which I would imagine would sound good to Carr. 

I think Carr knows no matter where he goes, if he wants to win, he will have to make some concessions with his contract and with the Raiders organization as far as a trade goes.   

[Dunnie]

I think its a no-brainer to go after Carr. 
JD is really our saving grace here. If he comes to the Raiders, offers them a good deal (lets say a 2nd round pick) and presents Carr with the opportunity to have input on the coordinator search, I could see this working out and I could see Carr being willing to re-work his deal to push money back. I would imagine JD would present this as a massive push to compete for a SB, with weapons, a re-tooled o-line and a top 5 defense. Which I would imagine would sound good to Carr. 
I think Carr knows no matter where he goes, if he wants to win, he will have to make some concessions with his contract and with the Raiders organization as far as a trade goes.   

Carr or Rodgers (possibly Brady).. No other guys interest me.

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[UnknownJetFan]

3 hours ago, Phillyjet said:

As I see it, the Jets are backed into a corner.  Weak QB room and the knowledge that JD and Saleh are on a 1-year prove-it deal make this a destination that very few OC's (experienced at least) would want unless they were: 1) without options; 2) from the area; or 3) desperate to take that shot at rehabbing their image.  This may force the Jets to buy high for an experienced QB who could either launch us, or send us back into an abyss for years, worse than we saw with Russell Wilson this year.

So there are basically three options:

1) Buy high for a Carr, and use that to recruit a bonafide OC who will help right the ship, let Zach go to QB 2, start thinking about re-drafting over the next couple of years.  Carr would have to waive his no-trade.  And so he'd have to want to come here... doubting this possibility, but probably the best scenario is to absorb his contract because we'd have an out in a year.  We'd have little flexibility to bring in reserves as FAs so the tank would not be getting much fuller, and we'd likely lose our 2nd or 3rd round pick to make this trade.  I doubt we'd lose our first, as the Raiders are backed into a corner too and will have to release him otherwise.  Still, I'm skeptical that Carr will want to come here.

2) Compete to buy a high end QB as FA, busts our entire free agency, we are left with scraps at OC, but we'd likely be on the hook for multiple expensive years, with a risky older QB or one who has mid-career bust potential (e.g. Garoppolo).  Could set us back a few years, with a house clean-out next offseason.  But perhaps there's a chance we catch lightning in a bottle,  we get good QB play next year, go to divisional round of playoffs, Saleh and Douglas extended.  

3) Buy a bridge QB (Brissett, Darnold, White), reclamation OC, hope we catch lightning in a bottle, but most likely see a house clean-out next year, replete with all of our draft picks, (high first rounder) where we hit reset once again.  But we limit the duration of pain from the Zach bust.

Which are we signing up for?  Because none of them seem that great or come with a high likelihood of an immediate payoff, excepting maybe Carr.  At least with Carr, we'd have an out after one year.  But I very much doubt he'll want to come here.  We'll see.

To open with a joke comparison, as Sundance said with the Posse coming down on him a Butch, per Butch’s options “Well, they could surrender to us, but I wouldn’t count on that”. So, the analogy for us is that we could draft another QB next year intending him to start, but it would have to be determined that it is a NFL ready QB. Unfortunately don’t think we can do that since JD has struggled with scouting and drafting QBs, so not only would that make everyone else uneasy, he even likely would not want to gamble on that for the fact that he has 1 or at best 2 years left then to keep his job. So, the real option is trying hard for Carr, or even Tannehill, since Rodgers will be much pricier than those 2, and we have to have the extra money and draft picks to fix the oline as well.

[hmhertz]

Hire Johnson and tell him to find the next Hurts like QB

Bring in Brissett to play until his find is ready to take over.

Carr, Goropollo, Rodgers, Brady have the Wilson, Ryan washed up stink

[JohnnyLV]

I would not trade for Carr unless it is literally something like a 6th with escalators based on performance. They basically have to release him, or find the 2 or 3 teams that Carr himself wants to play for and try and get something. Carr can easily force a release. Once released its just money and the Jets could be players.

I hate the concept of Jackson.

I could see Rodgers in a certain situation IF the idea is for Zach to still start. But that seems questionable.

I personally would look to the draft, bring in someone like Mayfield or Minshew and let the rookie sit a year. Find a new place for Zach.

[Larz]

3 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

Maybe I have it wrong, but I think the Raiders have to cut him 3 days after the waiver period starts, which I think is February 13, or his contract is guaranteed for 2023.  Because of that I have been hearing they have to trade him ASAP.  Maybe it would be a trade like the Alex Smith deal to Washington that is made, but not consumated until months later?

Yeah I’m so confused lol. Just hope JD isn’t lol

[#27TheDominator]

4 minutes ago, Larz said:

Yeah I’m so confused lol. Just hope JD isn’t lol

I checked.  Basically they can "trade" him any time, but it will not be official until the new league year starts.  If they don't do it by 3 days after the super bowl, they will be playing a dangerous game of chicken with a $40M guarantee.

[Phillyjet]

17 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

I would not trade for Carr unless it is literally something like a 6th with escalators based on performance. They basically have to release him, or find the 2 or 3 teams that Carr himself wants to play for and try and get something. Carr can easily force a release. Once released its just money and the Jets could be players.

I hate the concept of Jackson.

I could see Rodgers in a certain situation IF the idea is for Zach to still start. But that seems questionable.

I personally would look to the draft, bring in someone like Mayfield or Minshew and let the rookie sit a year. Find a new place for Zach.

We may have to overpay in draft capital because a bidding war in free agency is one we’re bound to lose.  There’s no reason Carr has to lift his no-trade but chances of him coming to NY go way down if he is released.  And I highly doubt Rodgers would come here.  
 

 

[LSJF]

Two words.... Aaron Rodgers, would give us a chance for a deep playoff run.... and develop a QB while Aaron is starting for 2 to 3 years

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

3 hours ago, greenwichjetfan said:

The only bridge I want is the one that gets me to Arch Manning in a Jets uniform.

Based on what? His pedigree and high school football tape?

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

This is why you don't give a coach or GM a mandate or make it known that it is win or else.  It hurts the team and any ability to build going forward. At the beginning of the season, the stated goal was for the Jets to evaluate Wilson and play meaningful games in December.  Both goals were accomplished.  Wilson failed the evaluation test, but the Jets played meaningful games in December.

 

The Jets have improved from 2 to 4 to 7 wins the past three seasons and the roster is now filled with talent compared to 2019.  Putting Saleh and Douglas in a win or you're out situation hamstrings both of them and makes it unlikely that a talented OC will come here and that a QB solution is reached.

Turning over the CS and bringing a new GM in only sets the team back.  

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

It’s all up to Woody.

Saleh acts and talks like a politician with zero sense of urgency.

When the team misses the playoffs again, will Woody keep buying what he’s selling?